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New Page for Rare Hits of Ilayaraaja

Topic started by Rex (@ pppa63-gainesville6-3r510.saturn.bbn.com) on Wed Feb 10 21:38:50 EST 1999.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I have put up a new webpage with rare hits collection of Maestro Ilayaraaja. I will try to put those songs that are either not commonly found nor available in other TFM pages. Please visit:

Sites for Ilayaraja's Songs

Rex Arul's Rare collection of Ilayaraja Songs
G.Suresh's Musical World of Dr.Illaiyarja
Sujatha Chandru's ILaiyaraaja Songs Page
R.Balaji's Maestro's Songs Archives
YASI - Yet Another Site for Ilayaraja
Shibu TN's Ilayaraja Homepage
MPR's Ilaiyaraja Web page
Ramaswamy Gireesan's Great Hits of Ilaiyaraja Page
Evergreen melodies of Ilaiyaraja
Jeethendra's Ilaiyaraja Melodies
Sreeram Vetrivel's Page for Music of Ilayaraja
Kala's Ilayaraja page
( Post your requests for some of the popular sites here. )

A tutorial for encoding songs into real audio - By Murali Shankar Updated on 08/25/99!

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• From: G.Suresh (@ 207-172-74-185.s185.tnt2.man.va.dialup.rcn.com) on: Thu Jan 13 00:03:56 EST 2000
  
  Dear IR Fans WorldWide,
  
  Latest Upload
  
  Enjoy song samples from the movie TirunelVeli . Couple of songs tuned by Maestro Ilaiyaraja is really very good. Also Hey Ram songs are changed song samples instead of full length songs as a move towards controlling real audio uploads and encourage IR fans to buy CDs and Cassettes.
  
  Enjoy the uploads and give your feedback.
  
  MS:
  
  Your point is very good and we will continue to work on that.
  
  Regards
  
  G.Suresh
  
  
• From: Jee (@ 193.188.124.233) on: Thu Jan 13 00:40:38 EST 2000
  
  When I saw Rex's first posting, I got so sad & disappointed for not uploading anything more in his site. But after this much of discussion, Rex's point is crystal clear. I fully agree with other Rex, Suresh & webmasters. Wonderful Decision.
  
  Now onwards, I am NOT going to upload anything new in my website. Even samples also very rarely I will upload.
  
  I am getting some mails from Geocities & fortunecity to review mysite for non usage. So, for me this is the right time to take decision.
  
  Thanks for Rex, Suresh, Shibu, MS, Kala & all other web masters helped me to find out rare nos. of IR.
  
  Still my website will exist without any work. I will be adding some other things EXCEPT SONGS.
  
  I will be active in this forum all the time.
  
  
• From: yvs mani (@ 164.100.16.90) on: Thu Jan 13 08:04:08 EST 2000
  
  Webmasters:
  Time movie is going to be shown on SUn T.V as Pongal special. If possible, record its BGM aND UPLOAD IT.
  Thanks in advance,
  
  Sorry for disgression
  
  
• From: Rex (@ 205.139.184.198) on: Thu Jan 13 09:52:36 EST 2000
  
  Jee, Kala, Shibu, Suresh, MS:
  
  Thanks a lot for your input. I will be continuing with uploads, although on different lines. BGMs WILL be uploaded. Songs WILL be uploaded for which there are no/less CDs/cassettes available in the market. For not so rare songs, samples will be uploaded. For educating the masses and for IR's music appreciation, all efforts will be taken to keep this thread alive!
  
  
• From: Alaghu (@ du139-06.cc.iastate.edu) on: Thu Jan 13 10:54:45 EST 2000
  
  IR net Fan gurus,
  I am another HCIRF I think your decision of not to
  upload the complete songs is right. But pls continue to upload all the classics (from 70s and 80s) and the bgms which are not easily available in the market.
  
  Thank you. PLease keep up your good work.
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Thu Jan 13 11:13:51 EST 2000
  
  good decisions everybody.
  
  rex, that's a real good idea to keep the unavailable songs and bgms online and only samples of the not so rare songs. way to go.
  
  
• From: R.Balaji (@ 129.130.133.52) on: Thu Jan 13 12:15:57 EST 2000
  
  Good suggestions/decisions by the webmasters!!.
  Let us materialise this soon.
  
  
• From: MSK (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com) on: Thu Jan 13 15:50:52 EST 2000
  
  Jee and Kala ,
  
  Really Great to see all of you understanding the gravity of the situation and changing course here.
  
  Great Job !!
  
  Rex, again u are the trendsetter !!
  Keep up.
  
  Cheers
  MSK
  
  
• From: Muralidharan (@ apollo.pointbase.com) on: Thu Jan 13 16:23:32 EST 2000
  
  Rex, Suresh, Shibu, Kala, Jee:
  
  I really appreciate the move taken by you all. YASI follows the suit. (Anyway, it didn't have new uploads since last August). Even if I upload in future, they will only be BGMs which will not be available in the market.
  
  - Murali
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ vengu.umsl.edu) on: Thu Jan 13 19:14:32 EST 2000
  
  :-))
  
  muraLi,
  
  when you are free send me an email or call me.
  
  
• From: Kala (@ dialin2047.toronto.globalserve.net) on: Thu Jan 13 22:50:35 EST 2000
  
  AruLarasan, MSK, Murali, Jee, Rex & others,
  
  Thanks!
  As we are Ilaiyaraaja's fans we should appreciate his music and help him to make profits. Our mission is to popularizing his music and not to harm him or his feelers by any mean, right. So I guess, this is the right TIME for us to consider his benefit and continue to support him as usual as his fans...
  
  WAY TO GO RAJAA'S FANS!
  
  Note: I've removed all the songs from "Kannukkul Nilavu" but song samples are available at my site: http://ilaiyaraaja.50megs.com
  Enjoy his fabulous music! And please do buy authenticated CDs or audiocassettes. Thanks!
  
  
• From: Prabhudas (@ nico.pediatrics.sunysb.edu) on: Fri Jan 14 04:13:55 EST 2000
  
  Dear Rex,other web masters and TFM surfers,
  Happy Pongal to all,this is really a very interesting topic and defenitely needs attention from every music lover (whether you are true music lover or one of those immature music listeners who idealise temporarily the crappy / mediocre MD's from DEVA to you name it).
  
  I strongly agree with udhaya in reference to another topic "we all are Pirates aren't We" by Karthik (although I don't LOVE piracy) and some of the others, I strongly disagree with those who say it is not fair to upload songs on internet media to popularise TFM.
  
  Let us look at some available statistics and info about piracy,
  
  1.Till mid 80's to late 80's radio( transistor as was popularly known for some time) was only the major entertainment mass media especially to listen to new songs /old songs by people , I am talking about the poor class and the lower and even many upper middle class population of our country (India) , though TV was there only in urban cities it was not a true entertainment media even for rich/upper middle class.
  Cassette players were not affordable by many lower middle class people till late 80's or even early 90's (except Tea kadai owners, who by the way one of the biggest and cheap advertisers available in most parts of TN for all sorts of music depending on their taste, and I am sure many of us must have had a great experience of listening to some of the IR songs for the first time in a tea shop which immediately motivated to buy the cassettes).And an average cassette from a major brand name manufacturer starting from HMV, AVM, ECHO, during those years were not less than 25 to 30 Rs each, at the same time even the big time pirated cassettes which were sold on road sides in most big cities were sold 10 Rs. each, some sold 3 for 20 Rs., I don't know how many of us were able to buy the original cassettes or even the pirated cassettes , being college /school students coming from different social classes, (remember the major social class in India is the poor and lower middle class).
  
  Then came the CDs and CD player, having moved to different parts of World we tend to think CD player is fastly replacing cassette players in India, I do not have statistics but , if any of us think that way it is merely an illusion, inspite of the satellite TV boom, higly competative marketing by different brand audio cassettes (there are brands of cassettes even named after hit movies, I saw Gentle Man audios/cassettes some time back, man is'nt this crazy?)People can buy a average cassette player for the price one pays for single CD, so that explains quite well about the current status of CD/ CD players in India,
  
  and finally, accessability of Computer and availabilty of internet sevice in India, we must be kidding, it is definitely not a mass entertainment media for Indian standards (especially I mean for listening to audio files,) this being the case I strongly doubt if the internet media especially with an intention to popularise TFM or for that matter IFM should ever be considered as causing any monetary damages to musicians or considered as piracy. As aptly said by Karthik first we should point fingers at ourselves as pirates (although Pliagarism and piracy are two different things altogether) for having taped songs at least even once in our life time.
  
  I remember one of the HCIRF once writing e mails to lot of other regular TFM surfers, requesting them to mail him the latest updates about IR just because he couldn't access internet on a regular basis in India, imagine how lucky are those who have access to net 24 hours and who are listening all over the world to the rare great hits of IR which are so difficult to find in originals even if you go hunting several places ( A life time great work by all those web masters, from Rex to Kala, but it is so sad that everybody has started, turning away from a great cause, popularising TFM
  a small digression, Rex and others, believe me friends, listening to the audio files uploaded over net has helped a lot of people cherish their fond memories, their immense nostalgic experiences, their bondage with their kiths and kins far apart, thier continuing association with the heritage and culture of their own, a few thousand to million people listening to internet songs doesn't make a big impact in terms of affecting the royalty/monetary aspect of an established musician for the following reasons
  
  1.Number of people with access to internet media is way down compared to the common people living in low socio economic class in different parts of India
  
  2.Invariably people having access to internet do also have other sources and resources to relish music apart from just the net samples/promos, especially Cdplayers, good audio systems.
  
  3.The no.of TFMsurfers who regularly surf and participate in TFMDF are just too few, though the stats say there are more than million hits every months lots of them are loyal revisitors, and almost each and every one of them must be enjoying listening to songs in better quality.
  
  
  As said by Bhadri( in the same thread),it is the bad marketing strategies /greediness by the big time audio/music industries which are the true enemies of their own as well as the enemies for the great talented musicians, inturn become big time cheaters to the mass for selling cassettes at enormously high cost making un believable profits, and now with the big internet revolution these same people are getting even free publicity with out any money for their music albums, by virtue of some dedicated webmasters who are doing or should I say WHO WERE DOING it for a different reason that is Spreading the great genious's work (I am talking about the producers of the audio cassttes/CDs)
  
  As per statistics in Indian industrial economic history, the 2 big time changes which paved way to lot of competition , changes and exposed the the big giants were T series audios entering film music in 80's leading to biggest ever drop in HMV sales, the other being Nirma washing powder which almost washed out Surf (from Hindustan Lever).
  
  For a transient period, even Echo cassettes came out as low priced single movies cassettes for price as low as 16 Rs to 18 Rs, from their regular 30 Rs, in mid 80's which I am sure must have eliminated to some extent the pirated buyers.
  
  Well everybody knows how with MP3 files coming on net by the new singers themselves in US shook the big giants (BMG and Columbia) who were making bilions of dollars so far, who all have come down dramatically on their prices in the last 2 years (can you believe them making 8 to 9 times the production cost on each CD), in a questionnaire survey in UCSF in the last 8 months the percentage of university students buying new CDs had dramatically decreased by 67%, because of the availability of custom made MP3 files of their choice in web sites, but this kind of thing to happen in India wil take atleast several more years if not decades with out any doubts absolutely,
  
  music producers should look at the grass roots at the buying capcity of an average lower middle class person and market it in an affordable , intelligent way, the more no. they sell, automatically the more profit they will make 'cos that is the biggest population which will make the difference , eliminating the piracy to a great extent and not the meagre net surfers, .
  
  And again for Rex and others, unless if you people have any legal (major or minor) obligations/ethical concerns, I humbly request you guys to continue your service , do not even think about the true music lovers of not buying original cassettees , and these are the ones who make more frequent visits to these sites and these are the one who spread the info about your great dedicated services to others.By stopping uploading you are just depriving the true fans an opportunity to listen and indirectly spread the TFM to lot others,also believe me by just stopping internet audio media (I am talking about new songs), it is not going to contribute even the slightest amount in terms of preventing piracy at the grass root level and remember they are the ones who make a difference at all, it can only affect the net surfers in making a decision about either buying the album or not, and if they decide to buy
  I am pretty sure they will definitely buy original cassttes/Cds, and not only that these are the ones who help the hesitant buyers (with no net access to listen to audio files before even it becomes more popular) to buy the original cassttes or CDs . Obviously the ones who continue to buy pirated CDs are in no way going to be influenced by your latest stand , it doesn't matter in any case for them.
  
  There are a whole lot of factors even when it comes to buying qulity audio cassttes/CDs, I once bought Lakshmi audio CD (who claim original and have majority of IR late 80's album) desperately just because I couldn't find any other original source, the quality sucks.
  
  
  It is so dis heartening to see the links are removed or deliberately not working in many of the above sites except few, I am listening to Suji's site as I am typing, man I am listening to some of the songs after 15 or 20 years, and you know the amount of joy I am experiencing is just unexplainable in simple words,
  All are in my personal openion
  
  Kenji kaettukiren Ayya, please leave the links which are already there, as I said earlier unless it has any legal /copyright violations and stuff like that
  Prabhudas
  
  
  
  
• From: Rex (@ 1cust213.tnt2.atlanta2.ga.da.uu.net) on: Fri Jan 14 08:45:26 EST 2000
  
  Prabhudas:
  
  Thanks a lot for a wonderful response from you. Couple of quick clarifications: Some of the links in almost all our websites are non-functional because of MSN server under intermittent maintenance mode. We are trying our best to restore some of them. That has nothing to do with the voluntary cutback on the song uploads.
  
  Myself and other webmasters are caught in between some people from the cassette industry and between the lovable fans like you. Do you even think that I would have taken a decision like this without proper thinking or prematurely? I fought vehemently against the very decision to cut down on the song uploads. I spoke vehemently against certain suggestions made to me. In fact I gave every single idea that you have spelled out here to the feelers. But then when the gravity of the situation is just too overwhelming our attention is called for.
  
  Part of the reason is that, there are fresh moves to bring Maestro's works into the foreign markets through CDs. For such works, definitely internet audio proliferation is a discouraging fact. In fact, if you apply PARETO RULE, we are talking about a very small 1% piracy against 99% piracy in the form of recording songs into sony and tdk cassettes from genuine CDs and gramaphone records in Tamilnadu. That is what needs more attention, accepted!! But as I said, here there are certain legal issues involved, and again when there are fresh plans to bring in IRs music we webmasters are expected to behave in a rational manner helping such efforts. Or else what do we have here, other than to promote one's own ego? At least I am not for it. So only we were into this decision.
  
  Again, kindly look back at my site. You would not have seen a great difference. In fact you won't even see that difference you see in Suresh's site. Because,I am not uploading new numbers. When I do, then they will be in the form of samples. For the olden goldies like the ones that are real old, you will still have all those numbers available, until they are made freely available in the form of CDs and cassettes.
  
  I am very happy that public opinion is gaining for good on our decision and hope most others would follow suit. And remember, whenever you feel that your interests are harmed, kindly do participate in this forum or mail me so that we can work out a compromise.
  
  Take care,
  REx
  
  

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