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Copied songs in TFM

Topic started by SRIKANTH (@ 95.minneapolis-07.mn.dial-access.att.net) on Fri Jan 9 19:18:56 EST 1998.
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• From: Observer (@ spider-tr014.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Nov 29 19:57:18 EST 1998
  
  Vijay,
  
  i thought i answered your query in a simplest way that is possible! as a end-user what would one be looking for as for as music, IMO, the melody. I am not qualified to comment on 'quality' from a musician's perspective, as i have zero knowledge in music, and hence i expect reactions from professionals like SPB, Hari etc. Why would i care for a song which doesn't impress me though it is original? If those original creators of music cann't produce melodies, they better leave the TFM scene and make way for young talents. I am not particular about IR, whoever gives me the best melodies, I would listen to them. To answer your question, if product B's original is available, why would you choose imitation of product B, well "Let there be original available to me in the first place in whatever usability(i.e melody) that i am looking for , so i buy it". In the 80's , i was getting the real melodies , i liked them. NOT NOW! MUSIC , if it cann't haunt people's mind, it is of no use even if it is original! If you have lots of mondy, you can go buy those originals and fill your house with those products which are of NO USE to you. USABILITY is the primary objective of any product in the world, IMO
  
  "if raaja had composed the same songs for vaali or kanedhire thondrinaal there would still have been people like u who would have ended up criticising IR for lack of melody etc. "
  
  For heavens sake , don't be under that impression. I like the songs not for the MD who did it, but for the melody. I still like songs composed by IR if they are good ones. I have certainly placed GURU(inspite of being in malayalam) as the best album i have ever listened so far in my life. Also i cann't forget couple of songs from KM and a song by SPB in MVU which are good , IMO.
  
  The thread on vidyasagar was started by udaya, just for your info. He has a excellent melody in his recent album uyirodu uyiraga. How many have listened to it and reviewed it? It is a pathetic situation in this forum that such things go unnoticed!
  
  
  
• From: suresh (@ bluebird.qut.edu.au) on: Sun Nov 29 22:23:44 EST 1998
  
  disclaimer: IMHO only
  
  Observer
  
  "useability is the primary objective of any product in the world"? assuming this is a consumerist perspective, where would you place "brand/ product choice"? Isn't that the fundamental driving market force, one that lets people form an opinion by allowing sampling from a wide cross-section of products available in that market and forming preferences? You could be a supermarket shopper who evaluates each item in the shelf on the basis of price/ benefits, but I would much rather prefer to buy according to the brand choices I make and my accumulated brand experience. By that, I make a conscious effort to shorten my buying period and eliminate post-purchase dissonance. I think that's the fundamental difference between what you're saying & the opposing view of thought (incl. myself). How many of us can truly claim to not be brand-specific in any product category that we confront in our everyday lives? Originality and product pedigree might not necessarily be the attributes you base your brand choice on, but to me, they are vital.
  
  It's all very well to propose a new "music-secularism" which you seem to be truly capable of appreciating, but "biased" listeners such as us would rather listen to various VS/Deva etc. creations but choose to remain passive about them. It's not entirely a "pathetic" reflection of our hatred towards the particular composer or whatever, but it's just to say that I'm happy with my rusty IBM and much as I appreciate the new & groovy IMAC, don't expect me to get goose-bumps over it.
  
  Well, it's another matter altogether if we jump in and trash them without experiencing them enough to form an apprciation, but I hope you wouldn't accuse a majority in the forum of doing that.
  
  BTW, I have long ago (many months back) commented on "poovukkellam" and "anbe, anbe" in uyirodu uyiraga as excellent songs & I remember seeing many postings appreciating these.
  
  Mukund:
  just adding to your trash bin. Happy drag & Drop!
  (:-)
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.65) on: Mon Nov 30 01:24:23 EST 1998
  
  the very fact that music is being equated to any other product is itself debatable. words like 'product' are not applicable here, IMO. listening to music is not like buying a product from a shop.
  
  it is much more than that. copying is unethical. and i as a music lover cannot digest anything that is not original. iam then guilty of patronising the 'devas' of this world. the 'devas' of this world should be banished. deva is a criminal legally. if he were in US he would have been behind bars for copyright violation. iam not going to support the product of a criminal anyday.
  
  instead of being narrowminded,selfish and caring only about the usability , i bother about the quality of TFM as such. and characters like deva are not going to improve the situation of TFM. they are going to create more devas and finally TFM would end up as the laughing stock of everybody. and i do have most of the original songs from which deva has copied. i enjoy listening to tem more than in deva's songs. IMO, the quality of the originals are better. and iam not a millionaire!!
  
  statements like deva's copies are better than IR's original is ridiculous. this is what i have been asking so long. how can u compare first of all a original product witha cheap imitation in the first place and say that the imitation is better? the comparison itself is absurd.
  
  if u say vidyasaagar's melodies are better than IR's then that is definitely. u can always compare original with another original.
  
  (whether deva's songs are melodious are not itself is subjective! i find vaali and kannedhire thondrinal to be extremely mediocre.)
  
  
• From: UV (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Nov 30 05:30:27 EST 1998
  
  Vijay,
  All ur statements make sense if U berate the songs of all copycats.Then u will be listening only to IR songs. Now, don't start arguing like Deva copies a song fully and some other guy gets it in bits & pieces and some "work" has gone into it and all that.
  
  Copying a beat is as bad as copying the whole song.
  
  
  
• From: Raju (@ pcjsnt025.lgu.ac.uk) on: Mon Nov 30 11:24:38 EST 1998
  
  I'm getting a bit lost. Please, just for me, clarify MVU and KM. Thanks.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Nov 30 11:54:55 EST 1998
  
  Raju,
  MVU-manam virumbuthE unnai
  KM-kadhalukku mariyAdhai ;-)))
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Dec 3 02:24:46 EST 1998
  
  kaNNai katti koLLadhe (iruvar) has its melody "dumeel"ed from a jaishankar starrer (sung by TMS).
  
  
• From: haris (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Thu Dec 3 03:44:55 EST 1998
  
  jagjit singh(ghazal singer)-in mera geet amar kar dho.. kEttirukkireergalA?? kElungal..
  kEttu vittu, policekaran magal padathin indha manrathil Odi varum, ilam thenralai... kElungal..
  Then tell me what is common and what not...
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Thu Dec 3 06:34:38 EST 1998
  
  Shankar:
  
  Which Jaishankar movie song are you talking
  about? Can you give details?
  
  Haris:
  When was this Jagjit song released?
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-135.il.us.ibm.net) on: Thu Dec 3 09:01:32 EST 1998
  
  Vanan ena (Vetri viza) is a abstract from
  viswanathan Velai vendum (Kadlika neramaillai)
  interludes are very similar.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Dec 3 09:39:59 EST 1998
  
  ragapriyan,
  It's a song sung by TMS ,starring jaishankar, he sings this song with a group of people in a village BG.This is all i know about the song. :-(((
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Dec 3 09:41:00 EST 1998
  
  Srikanth,
  Is it a blatant copy of Viswanathan or are they based on the same rAgA??? I don't see any similarity in interludes.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com) on: Thu Dec 3 10:21:48 EST 1998
  
  There is something called as meter, the meter is same for both the songs.
  Especially the Piano pieces (Chords whampings)
  The flute and brass pieces placement are similar in both songs. Brass Harmonies all also similar.
  
  
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed01735.mayo.edu) on: Thu Dec 3 10:22:45 EST 1998
  
  Hello
  
  I am not sure if I wrote this before, but when I first heard "Yaarum viLayaadum thOtam..." from NadOdi thendral, the old song "Kuyilaaga naan irunthenna, kuralaaga nee varavEndum, Paataga naan irunthenna, Porulaaga nee varavEndum..." popped in my head.
  
  Granted only the first 3 lines of the pallavi of 'Yaarum..' resembles this song. I think the old song was an inspiration and not a copy. Both are great songs. I think the older song is MSV's--can someone confirm.
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.246) on: Thu Dec 3 12:26:59 EST 1998
  
  even the first 2 lines of the songs are completely different i think if u compare it note by note.
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed02956.mayo.edu) on: Thu Dec 3 13:05:42 EST 1998
  
  Hi Vijay
  
  If you were replying to my posting--the notes only differ in regards to the pitch/sruthi, but the general correlation of each note with the other is almost identical. Again, Raja must have been impressed and inspired by the old song to give another good number
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.6) on: Thu Dec 3 16:11:07 EST 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  There is a song "Aathoram thoppukkullae" from the film "Paanchaalankurichi". It is an exact copy from George Michael's famous album, "Faith"
  
  Another song is from the film "Indhu". It is "Metro channel". It is a copy from Michael Jackson's album.
  
  "Style styledhann" in "Baasha" starts with a James Bond film music.
  
  "Salomiya" in "Kannaedhirae thondrinaal" is a copy of an Hindi album.
  
  The strange common thing among all the above four songs is that all were tuned by Deva.
  
  Sirpi is even worser. All his songs for the Karthik, Rambha starrer were copies.
  
  Vidyasagar copies one song in "Jai Hind" from a Punjabi folk song. It is "Mutham thara yetha idam".
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Thu Dec 3 22:09:37 EST 1998
  
  Shashi:
  
  It's amazing! I have enjoyed both songs immensely
  and have both in CDs+ hear them very often. But
  only after you now mention, I see the closeness
  in the pallavi. BTW, kuyilaaga naanirundhenna
  is sung by TMS/PS in the movie, Selva magal (MD: MSV).
  The movie was released in the late 60's. A junk
  movie starring Jaishankar and Rajashree.
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Fri Dec 4 01:14:00 EST 1998
  
  salomiya 's original is sayyOni by lucky ali.
  
  

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