Home   Forum   Wiki   Notes   Register   FAQ   Sitemap   About Us   Contact Us  

Original songs od Deva

Topic started by swarapriyan (@ 129.252.23.236) on Fri Oct 23 12:44:07 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Of late there had been enough panning on Deva for giving wonderful "remix / xerox" songs. But I feel that he has done a decent job in giving some original compositions too. eg.

(1)Porul thedum bhoomiyil (By chitra in Kalki)
(2)Metti Metti velli metti (By SJ in Pullai kuttikkaran)
(3)Konja Naal Poruthalaiva
(4)Un udhattoram sivappai

I wish TFM fans contribute to this thread without digressing to cast criticizms on him.

---

Responses:

• Old responses
  
• From: Srinath (@ s06.austin.ibm.com) on: Wed Oct 28 09:41:28 EST 1998
  
  You BET !!!
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ cs101.cs.wmich.edu) on: Wed Oct 28 12:45:06 EST 1998
  
  I didnt want to but i couldnt resist.
  
  Deva is a copycat no doubt in that.But other MDs do copy. Once thirudan is a thirudan,howerver great he might be.THe same deva has given inummerable originals,why this is never been appreciated.
  FOr all those who say that they cant find even a couple of original songs from deva,heres the list.
  If you are open to challenges,please give the original song from which the following has been copied from.
  
  1)kanner karisal mannu poove - vaigasi porandhachu
  2)chinna ponnu dhan vekkapadudhu-vaigasi..
  3)thavirabarani aaru idhu tharaiyil nadakkum theru-solaiyamma
  4)thoodhu po sellakiliye-thoodhu po sellakiliye
  5)oh swarnamuki varuven sonnapadi-karuppu vellai(a great song)
  6)vetri nichayam idhu vedha sathyam-annamalai
  7)aasai keppakalikkaasai - tamilselvan
  8)malarodu nilavukkenne kobam-my dear son Marudhu
  9)karuppu nila nee dhan kalanguvadhen-en aasai machaan
  10)oh raagini neelamabari-marumagan
  11)nagumo hai idhu sugamo-arunachalam
  12)engae engae - nerukku ner
  13)aathoram thoppukulle - paanjalankuruchi
  14)aadadhaeda aadadhaeda manidha-sendhoorapandi
  15)sendhoorapandikkoru sodi kili-sendhoorapandi
  16)nalam nalamariya aaval-kaadhal kottai
  17)malarodu pirandhavala-iniyavalae
  18)janakarin magalae nalam dhana-en uyir needhanae
  19)kalyanam kacheri kaalkattu-avvai shanmugi
  20)then mozhi raadhai-thadayam
  21)kaatrai pidithu ketkinren-paanjalankurichi
  22)othai adi paadhaiyile-aatha un kovilile
  23)chinnanjiru po0ve-aatha un kovilile
  24)aarangam thanuranga aarukadal neeruranga-manasukettha maharasa
  25)chinnavara chinnavarae-karuppu nila
  
  
  This is only a sample of his 'original'songs.If you want more i can give you.
  If you say that you have not listened to anyof the above its not his fault.
  Simply because he copies one flute piece from some chekezlovakian music it doesnt mean he copies for every song. Why when it comes to deva,only his copied songs is being discussed??If a person doesnt have originality its not easy for him to survive in the highly competitive cine industry.Hes the most saught MD now and this shows that he has some stuff.He might not be a thyaga bhramma like other MDs but he does have some kelvi jnanam. Hes not only popular in TFM but also in Telugu film industry and kannada film industry.
  
  SO let us be open minded and try to value the better part of a person instead of being cry babies.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.246) on: Wed Oct 28 14:08:02 EST 1998
  
  srinath,
  iam always sportive. iam sorry for the digression but my posting was just a reply to observer's posting, that's all. it was observer who first dragged IR into this topic by saying that since he had exhausted all musical innovations or styles there was nothing left for deva to explore.
  
  i could not accept the above argument. why does ARR's songs sound so different from IR's songs and why does'nt deva's songs was my humble question. was not ARR able to evolve a style for himself? ( that it has become stale, is altogether a different matter!)
  
  i agree that once thirudan is a thirudan. in fact a friend of mine does not think highly of IR's songs
  because of the above concept. since IR got "inspired' in say 3 or 4 songs perhaps out of about say 30,000, he does not think highly of IR. i can only pity him.
  
  there is a huge difference between people like IR getting inspired by mozart or bach or even say salil chowdhury into composing a few tunes which bears resemblance to these great people's compositions, and people like deva who LIVE on copying.
  
  coming back,
  so this topic does not make sense to me.
  the list of songs by ramki might be original (as long as no one finds the source for these!!!), but how many of these are masterpieces or are brilliant compositions? even if 50% of deva's songs are original it means that we might have to list out atleast 1000 songs since deva has been very prolific in the last 3 or 4 years.
  giving original songs does not speak highly of deva. by listing out original songs of deva what are we trying to prove here? that he also does get original once in a while? the very fact that this topic was started itself speaks of the opinion which we have on deva.
  
  from ramki's posting:
  ....."If a person doesnt have originality its not easy for him to survive in the highly competitive cine industry.He's the most saught MD now and this shows that he has some stuff......"
  
  iam not disputing the first half of the second statement but the rest. who says if a person does not have originality he cannot survive in this industry? then how come deva survives? we have talked about this many times. deva's listeners are predominantly the masses and they do not care much about mozart, bach, tchaikovsky or originality either.
  if the music is catchy they like it.
  
  ironically, 2 of deva's recent best albums or I would say alltime best, aasai and nerukku ner featured copied songs. so, i hope i made myself clear.
  
  sorry for the long posting.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ s06.austin.ibm.com) on: Wed Oct 28 15:39:25 EST 1998
  
  vijay:
  I interpreted Observer's posting as saying that IR has used up all styles and innovations that people like Deva can think of - this does not have to necessarily mean that IR has exhausted all his styles - he might still have some up his sleeve which Deva cannot even think of. The funny thing is, Observer was saying something nice about IR and you were saying something nice about ARR when suddenly the applecart was upset.
  
  Let us give more importance to TFM DF than to Deva. So, if a thread is started with some rules, we must abide by them - even if it means appreciating Deva !!!
  
  Ramki:
  I was given to understand that Deva brought out Vaikasi Porandhachu using the notes that his brothers stole from IR. Maybe the two that you mentioned were exceptions - but how can you expect anybody to believe that ?
  
  Anyway, asking people in this thread to appreciate Deva for his originals (which are still bad, as Vijay said) is asking for too much :-) The best that I, and others like me, can do is to list them out or discuss why they are original (like I suggested earlier). Where Deva is concerned, Good and Original rarely go together. Therefore, if want to appreciate Deva, we must discuss how skillfully he has incorporated Czheckoslavakian music with Mayan Indian beats using Eskimo sound effects. Or if we want to discuss his originality, we must prepare a list (like you have so painstakingly done ;-))). In other words, when it comes to Deva, 'Original' and 'Good' are Mutually Exclusive !!!
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Oct 28 15:52:44 EST 1998
  
  by listing out original songs of deva what are we trying to prove here? that he also does get original once in a while?
  
  I hope so. It seems many here can't even imagine such a fate. This thread was begun by swarapriyan who had a good intention in mind, "to focus on Deva's original songs". To speak ill of the idea behind the thread, and to come up in arms against this thread just proves that many people can't handle letting others have their say.
  
  When ARR fans and IR fans get all hot and bothered when a critical statement is made on their discussions, on their rehashing the same old slogans of praise, I'm damn near tickled to see a positive thread on Deva. Hey, if you don't want to dance here, get off the floor. Don't be making a scene for the others.
  
  When a person starts a thread, he/she has the right to expect the discussion to follow the topic. So, if you can't think of original hits by Deva, don't contribute here. You wouldn't want someone to rain on your fan parade would you? In case you forget this is a democratic public forum. Let's be civil for a change, please.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ csx13.cs.wmich.edu) on: Wed Oct 28 16:24:04 EST 1998
  
  I may be a lay man but what imlooking in a song is for melody and good tune.I dont care abt where a single keyboard stroke was stolen from.
  Srinath do u have any proof when you say that devas brother stole the notes??Please let us not talk abt matters on which we dont have any direct information.Not only its inappropiate but its incorrect too.
  I dont want masterpieces but some simple ,pleasing music will do. People who have given masterpieces have also given junk music,which we should never forget.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.246) on: Wed Oct 28 16:42:48 EST 1998
  
  udhaya,
  my response was to ramki's list of songs and his posting, that's all. i have nothing against this thread or topic. swarapriyan is my roomie and we had a talk too before he suggested that he should start his thread. i even argued with him then about doing such a exercise. maybe he'll kick my back for digressing too much :-))) but my posting was provoked partly by observer and partly by ramki.
  
  i felt that listing out all of deva's original songs
  might be just a list making exercise. so we might have to pick some really good ones, analyse them for their originality and style of composition
  before listing them here. from the way ramki was listing out songs , i thought that he was listing whatever songs that were not there in the "copied songs of deva" thread.
  
  My intention is not to condemn this thread. i was just refuting some arguments made by others.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ s01.austin.ibm.com) on: Wed Oct 28 17:27:53 EST 1998
  
  Ramki:
  I am just trying to say that I can either appreciate Deva's songs (?) by first admitting that they are copied or I can try to list Deva's songs that are original. I cannot do both because, in my humblest opinion, Deva's biggest hits (read best songs) are copied. His 123rd best song might be an original, but I am talking about the cream of Deva's numbers. Undoubtedly, Deva has some original numbers to his credit. Unfortunately, IMO, they are not good.
  
  To avoid making this another ARR vs IR discussion, I will refrain from countering your argument about 'MD's who have given masterpieces also giving junk'. But in the western world, you don't have to physically copy,xerox or steal altogether another person's creation to be called a thief. In any developed nation, Deva would be behind bars or paying millions of $$$ compensation to other musicians. But among music circles in Madras, it is widely believed that Deva's brother (either Sabesh/Murali) who was IR's keyboardist, stole IR's original compositions and soon after Vaikasi Porandhachu came out. Ramki, I don't have to write a hundred line post to establish that we can indeed discuss issues on which we have no first-hand information. I am 99.9% sure that Deva's brothers stole the notes - but please read my post again and I am sure you will appreciate the pains I have taken to allow for that 0.01% of uncertainity. In case you don't get it, here's the 'inappropriate, incorrect' and offending statement again -
  
  I was given to understand that Deva brought out Vaikasi Porandhachu using the notes that his brothers stole from IR.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-233.il.us.ibm.net) on: Wed Oct 28 18:55:49 EST 1998
  
  I am 99.999999% sure about the fact that Vaikasi poranthachu scores were lifted by s/m.
  guys,
  Yesterd in my music rehersal I was finding notes for "Mehaboo" from sholay,
  
  Deva has flicked the opening guitar piece in the movie Kadal Kotai - Mukil bullaku something something ...
  This was one of the few original! songs he composed but Alas, it is not so...
  
  talking about deva is a waste of time
  
  
  Srikanth
  
  

---

List all pages of this thread

Post comments