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Topic started by bb (@ 24.4.254.104) on Tue Feb 20 03:21:22 EST 2001.
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Hi! We've made a major addition to newtfmpage, and that is a big song bank. Dhool features thousands of songs for your listening pleasure. This site is a part of the newtfmpage.com - swara.com group. Together with newtfmpage, we wish to make this the best place to listen to tamil film songs online and know about tamil film music. Our collection includes old, new, famous, rare and unheard of songs. We are still fine tuning and fixing the database errors, so please bear with us. We value your feedback, and this will help us build the site better. Please post your comments below or mail to comments@newtfmpage.com.
This work was done by us (bb and RR) with MS and swara.com ravi.

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• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Fri Oct 3 01:14:47 EDT 2003
  
  bb,
  my girlfriend took 2 months to change from 'neenga''vaanga''poonga' to 'nee''vaa''poo'..nowadays 'poda' 'vaada' dhaan.:-(
  Kannadhasan makes the heroine to do that in few seconds..unga veetla eppidi?;-)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 67.124.237.45) on: Fri Oct 3 02:51:57 EDT 2003
  
  Aththaan is a telling example of what Ramamurthy brings to a song's composition. Focus on the majestic yet subtle string arrangement, it's magnificent; even more so when you realize that it enhances such a tender intimate emotion.
  
  
  
• From: RJD (@ 63.251.157.162) on: Fri Oct 3 04:45:35 EDT 2003
  
  I just love this song. It is so melodious! No jarring background music and it portrays so beautifully the natural shyness of women ...
  
  I also have an anecdote:
  
  My parents had an intercaste love marriage 42 years ago ... (1961 Dad in Madras Medical College & mom in law college - Brahmin - Gounder )
  
  Thru' major opposition from both families their friends got them married at Vadapalani temple.
  
  Next day they had a small party with all friends and everyone requested my mom to sing a song (she used to sing beautifully). "Athaan en athaan" was the hit song of the season and my mom started singing it. When she came to "Avar ennai thaan" and paused ... my dad spontaneously interjected "Nethu Raathiri thaan" ... making a reference to their first night ;-)
  
  Friends were all laughing and my mom turned beet red ... My dad always used to tease her about it. They continued their romance till they both passed away in 1994 ... a few months apart ... but memories of their romance lives on.
  
  This song has a very special place in my heart !
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Fri Oct 3 10:05:09 EDT 2003
  
  Thanks for sharing those precious memories RJD. Thats what makes this thread so real and so personal.
  
  
• From: senty (@ 167.213.190.133) on: Fri Oct 3 10:35:10 EDT 2003
  
  Thanxs RJD
  
  
• From: sriram (@ 163.181.251.10) on: Fri Oct 3 11:51:12 EDT 2003
  
  one of my most favourite songs. the strings intro is very similar to another favourite of mine - ponnondru kaNdEn, but in this case, it is more subdued to match the mood of the rest of the song.
  
  this song is the poster child, the most quoted stereotypical example of a slow-paced "old" song recounted in countless patti mandrams that endlessly compare the old "naadhaa.... enna naadhi?..." to the new internet/email kAdhal.
  
  thanks bb for posting this on Friday so that we can savour it over the weekend.
  
  
• From: S Ramaswamy (@ 203.94.226.70) on: Fri Oct 3 13:09:59 EDT 2003
  
  Hi all,
  
  What a song! MSV had written somewhere that he was opposed to the lyric saying 'enna kavignare athan pothan enru', but the simplicity of the song and its bgm, so soothing, and PS voice lift this one to Hinmalayan heights. As sriram has written yes the prelude is somewhat similar to 'Pon Ondru Kanden, Penn angu Illai' that unforgetttable TMS-PBS duet in 'Padithal Mattum Podhuma', but subtler in style. And the film 'Paavamannippu' is the one in which VR duo's use of the mouth organ has come to the fore. Simple instrument, but how well it has been put into use! So different to the modern day noise!
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.26.224) on: Fri Oct 3 14:17:32 EDT 2003
  
  Prabhu:
  
  Aptly put. This thread is one which seems to invoke all the niceties of the participating DFers and make them share their cherished moments associated with the song. Great going !
  
  On the technical side, if we look at the sandham of this song:
  
  thaa naa
  than nan naa
  thana than nan naa
  than nan nan naa naa na naa
  
  Looks like a pascal's pyramid :-) One of the most unconventional sandhams ever conceived IMO. Is there a need for me iterate / echo that MSV was a master in sandham ?
  
  
• From: SP (@ 65.69.81.2) on: Fri Oct 3 17:25:51 EDT 2003
  
  MS: Sandham-na kavithai-yoda sambantha pattathu-nnu nenachen(I mean ezhuthu sambantha pattathu). MSV athula master-a? puriyaliye!
  Did you mean kavinjar?
  
  konjam veLakka mudiyumaa?
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 206.97.63.112) on: Fri Oct 3 18:06:20 EDT 2003
  
  SP: You are right. Chandham is rhythmic progression in a poem. It is the poet or lyricist who sets it. But, these days in movie songs the music director sets and the lyricist creates the lyrics - reverse order. That can be attributed to the competition in cinema and also the fact that lyricists are not experts in music.
  You can look at Thiruppugazh for chandham.
  I am sure MS has a lot more to say. This must have been discussed somewhere else.
  
  
• From: SP (@ 66.138.147.102) on: Sat Oct 4 10:29:57 EDT 2003
  
  Thanks Raj.
  intha kaalathu kothu parottaa music thaan therinja kathaiyaache. antha kaalthileyum appdiyaa?
  
  oru clarification-kaaga kaetten. innoru alai adikka vaikkira ennam illeengov!
  
  
• From: Reporter (@ 219.65.136.231) on: Sun Oct 5 01:11:44 EDT 2003
  
  Hai!! After the blissfil days of NavarAthri...
  
  ThingaL) HindhOLam’s benchmark = deekshidhar’s ‘neera jAkshi kAmAkshi niradha shikkurE thripurE’ !!
  
  IR is after HindhOlam? HindhOLa vangi – unnal mudiyum, dharisanam kidaikkAdhA, raghavanE ramaNa, pothi vacha malliga mottu, siru ponmaNi asayum (?) -n- innum pala...
  
  Always, a chinna sandhEham about ‘maalai pozhudhin mayakkathilE’… isn’t set on HindhOLam? That-is-why, IR has a distinctive fondness of this gAnam? :-O)
  
  I remember watching ‘iLamai kOlam’ in ‘bugs-ful’ krishNavENi theatre!! Suman was a big ‘bug’ for me than the actual insects. He showed inflexible reaction for this song; ‘mangala maNi osai konda’ endru gAndarva kuraLon pAdum podhu, Sir.Suman AVL, sAindhAdamma sAindhAdu stylil munnum pinnum Adi kondu oru sirappAna accomplishment :-O( IR padam pArthirundhAl kadhariyiruppAr !!
  
  away from this crime, IR+Yesu amalgamation steals the heart !! whenever I listen to this, innoru then thuLi “vEdham nee iniya nAdham nee” ninaivukku varugiradhu (pOda mudiyumA bb?)
  
  sridevi en vaazhvil – ‘thEn kiNNam’
  
  SevvAi) tippu, timmy endru niraya iLam kuralgaL… idhai kEtkaNumA endru oru salippu irundhadhu… had I skipped, I would have committed a slip-up
  
  Nalla vaLamAna kural Mr.HariNi-kku :-O) forgetting the accustomed style of lyrics, the music score is respectable, IMV.
  
  Watched a few clippings/trial-shots…. Many of them on the GOA sea-shore.. Real beauty… Heard that all the lead stars of iyarkkai viz., AruN, ShAm, arimugam Radhika are eagerly waiting for the movie-release to take hold of the titanic marketplace :-O) vAzthuvOm !!
  
  kaadhal vandhaal – ‘kadalOra kAtru’
  
  Budhan) KarNan kavacha kundalathudan pirandhAn… nam nadigar thilagam ‘vasana kundalathudan’ pirandhAnO ??
  
  The Mu.Ka-Ganesan duo broke the monotony of mythological / historical trend of the then thamizh cinema and departed to produce ever-classics like Manohara, Raja-Rani etc
  
  Edhai solvadhu edhai viduvadhu ???
  
  Indha ulagam azhindhAlum ‘kattabomman’ vasanam azhiyAdhu…
  Patti thotti ellam oliththa (innamum oliththu kondirukkum) thiruviLayAdal vasanangaL… appappa !
  Petra annaiyE thannai vizha vaikkirALe endru pari-thavikkum KarNan… I refer that stage of reunion of Kunthi Devi (MV Rajamma) and KarNan…. Hey no match !!
  Thee-pori veesum andha ‘socretes’ –n- ‘chenguttuvan’ elements of ‘RAja rAni’… kizhichuduvAr GaNesan
  
  Indha asOkan nAdagaththil neengaL sivAji-yai pArtheergaLa….? Illai… asOga chakravarthi thAn kaNgaLuuku theivAr!! Enna oru viru viruppu, kAram in his dialogue deliverance? kEtpavar viralgaLil oru adhirvu Erpadum !! This is just a piece of my sentiment :-O)
  
  Samrat Asokan Drama – ‘rathna thilakam’
  
  Vyazhan) jAnagi-yin sOga pAdal… I was ready with kai-kuttai!! Clicked that link… bhoomiyum urundai, laddum urundai, IE-iconum urundai.. sutrugiradhu sutrugiradhu sutri kondE irukkiradhu…..
  
  En kAdhu seidha pAvamA? KEtka koduppanai illai; ‘no vElai for kai-kuttai’
  
  urugidum vELaiyilum – :-O(
  
  VeLLi) minuscule scrutiny of bb on the ‘avan –n- avar’. Till I read the munnurai, I have never sighted this.. dhooL !!
  
  My pick in this movie is ‘vandha nAL mudhal’ by TMS with that superb whistling, though I do not shove aside AththAn song. Chinna asaivu koduththu kondE pAttai rasikkalAm :-O) Savthri-in kaNgaLil appadi oru kuLumai irukkum… koodavE dEvikA very simple steps-udan….
  
  I had a wonderful opportunity of listening to SOFri sung by the same Susila on stage; wedding reception of AVM Kumaran’s son. SG conducted the light-music programme. Susila instantly stopped after that ‘eppadi solvEnadi’ in the pallavi with her left hand pointing to the garlanded girl. All the eyes were turned to the maNa peN…. Oh…that vetkam on her face is sill persistent in my reminiscence :-O)
  
  aththaan en aththaan – ‘Adavarukkum vetkkam varum’
  
  choosthAnu NW !!
  
  
• From: Sriram L (@ 172.189.120.206) on: Sun Oct 5 08:00:14 EDT 2003
  
  Reporter, your postings to me are the songs of the weekends, dhooL kaLappunga. bb is saved the trouble of featuring songs for the weekends.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.26.33) on: Sun Oct 5 20:18:08 EDT 2003
  
  SP:
  
  neenga sonna maadhiri sandham vaarththaiyai saarndhadhu dhaan. But the syllabic construct is given to the lyricist by the composer if the lyrics are to be written for the tune. Thus in such a situation the composer, as he creates the song, will have full freedom to create new syllabic constructs. I was referring to this.
  
  We have discussed this extensively in the another thread where it was discussed how to compose for preset lyrics. For example, the syllabic construct "thana-nan-naa thana-nan-naa thana-nan-nan naa-naa-naa" has been used by IR in three songs - kuyilukkuppam, thooLiyile, kaathirundhu to create three different songs. What IR has done effectively is take the same construct to create 3 distinct songs. While that is indeed a challenge in itself, I consider it predominantly as a re-use for the lack of new constructs.
  
  MSV is a master in creating new syllabic constructs (and KVM was a master in creating innovative musical phrases for preset lyrical constructs since most of KVM's songs as I infer from many articles were priorly written by the lyricist and were set to tune later). Music flowed from him. One beautiful example is "niththam niththam en kaNNOdu inbak kanaa". The construct is a fresh and hardly reminiscent of any of the stuff used in the songs that came before.
  
  
• From: isai_nanban (@ 68.77.8.29) on: Sun Oct 5 22:10:14 EDT 2003
  
  MSV is a master in creating new syllabic constructs (and KVM was a master in creating innovative musical phrases for preset lyrical constructs
  
  MS, a profound understanding of these two geniuses - most critical for giving every word in the lyric a full presence in the tune.
  
  

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