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A complete movie - Hey Ram

Topic started by musicfan (@ 12.32.197.131) on Mon Nov 11 20:17:11 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I discovered Hey Ram all over again a few days back. I believe it should rank as one of those rare "complete movies".It has brilliant music..I mean not the music that is churned out of electronic instruments these days by all MDs(all..includes YSR,VS,HJ and ARR)..Hey Ram is in its own league..with music that makes sense..each song has soo much significance and depth.The synthesis of mantras and carnatic classical with pure melody is a treat.And the background music for this movie is as good as it can really get..The movie has so much of depth(I am a vociferous critic of KamalHassan..and I have appreciated very few of his works- Nayagan, Devar Magan,Sathi Leelavathi..Michael--,Apoorva..are probably those I liked a lot)..but this movie..is a revelation.
If only more directors and music directors got together to create..not just movies..but sheer poetry for the viewer..
I thought Kannathil Muthamittal was an attempt in that direction..although it pales in comparison to Hey Ram..
Are there any others that rank up to Hey Ram ??

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• From: Aalavandhan (@ 203.106.188.177) on: Wed Nov 13 07:23:45 EST 2002
  
  Someone was commenting on Aalavandhan.
  I think that the songs, although by itself were no great hits, were perfect fit for the movie. The interludes for Kadavul paathi mirugam paathi were extremely good and full of suspense. As for the BGM, it was remarkably done by the late Mahesh. The technical aspects of the movie was also very sleek, except that the animation was just too much. Of course, the story itself was the usual araicha maavu, but the telling of the story was simply classy.
  
  I think Kamal does take a lot of care in his movies and even his low-budget movies like Panja Thanthiram and Pammal K Sammanthan had carefully thought of situation songs. I know that almost everyone in this forum loves to bash Deva, but personally I think the songs in 5Trix fit to the T in the movie.
  
  I need to add that I saw all these movies in the big screen complete with Dolby/DTS sound systems - the way these movies are supposed to be seen. :)
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Wed Nov 13 08:29:25 EST 2002
  
  :-)
  
  Suresh, it is generally a pleasure to read whatever you post. But special compliments for your last post above.
  
  You are one heck of a wordsmith who beats words to submission !!!
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed Nov 13 09:08:57 EST 2002
  
  T Rajendar hasn t managed to disturb your flow Suresh.( Is that a compliment to TR??)
  
  I strongly object to bringing P Vasu s name when we talk of good,decent,meaningful cinema.
  
  Now coming on to the script of Hey ram his very own character is loosely sketched starting from his age ( indeterminable like the famous midget gaul!).The rape of Rani brings out the animal in him ,some say.But did we get to see a week-kneed kamal before that.
  
  In schools i read CN Annadurai s words on how to build a drama.the translation goes like this..
  
  "Let s assume we write a drama called "change"(Maaruthal).You describe a character which has certain qualities and which refuses to change.Build up incidents to substantiate and in the end show transformation in the individual".
  
  This was absent in hey Ram.He was never shown as man of certain values in the beginning to dramtise the transformation.finally, the character in the movie can go back and forth in his idealogies but the characterisation should not .It should establish him as a vulnerable person.(May be i am searching for the right words as Suresh as spread a sort of panic among Rapidex speaking course people like me!!!!)
  
  With Kallu mamas typical sindhi moves one would expect Kamal to bring Sa.Kandhasami s "tholainthu ponavargal" feel.But Kamal carrys on with Kajuraho kaatchis with Vasundhara.Kamal s commitment to his idealogies and changed idealogies were never highlighted thru incidents.
  (conveniently there was "Bang"... at Gokhale s place)
  
  Sharukh - well at many a place the inclusion of Sharukh and that too as a moslem reminded me of "Deshbhakthi Hindi movies" wherein the moslem charcter sheds bled for the country shouting slogans "Hindustan zindabad" and invariably dies calling "Allah hu akbar".(agar nai tho hum Central UP me kaise bejenge yaar?Musalman tho hona he chahiye anth me woh marna chahiye!philm balance hojayegi! Distributor talks!)
  
  On the contrast take the script of Kurudhipunal in line with CNA s words .In thevar Magan the essence of the script comes out thru Gauthamis words "Shakthi kulla oru gramathu aalu irukirathu enakku theriyama pochu".When yu try to draw parallel between gauthamis kiss in the train and Vasundhara s request for a hug you will get the whole idea on Kamal s homework on his characters.
  
  Suresh was right in comments on the acting of Hema,Vasundhara & co.Kamal wanted to get the Iyengar feel using Actual iyengars!Then Gandhi must be have played by Gujju Paresh Rawal!
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 202.88.155.34) on: Wed Nov 13 09:37:36 EST 2002
  
  Vel and OISG, you flatter me. It's a pleasure, however fleeting, to actually be able to argue and spar in this forum without descending to chaos and name-calling, and on an interesting subject at that. That Rapidex course thing - 'avaiyadakkam', nothing short..
  
  Thevar Magan was in my lexicon, a milestone that the thamizh industry just rolled over in its mindless pursuit of mediocrity. Bharathan combined his aesthete's sense with a very taut screenplay, and I think a good amount of credit is due to him to keep the events at a near-realistic keel. Though I baulked at Kamal's hairdo and costumes which I thought was no way close to the typical NRI-returnee at that given time or anytime for that matter. Uniformly good acting, strongly fleshed out characters (Kaka Radhakrishnan a case in point), and some great music. If you look at Mahanadhi, Guna, TM and HR, they are all characterised by music not designed to sell albums but to fit the given situation and enhance the dramatic feel of the movie.
  
  'Tholaindhu ponavargal'! Now, that is an interesting mention, must unearth it again. SRK's 'patriotic muslim', still a minor stereotype compared to the Muslim terrorist who speaks of nuclear bombs and missiles but ultimately falls to the bare hands of the Vijaykant and Suresh Gopi.
  
  You've reinforced my view of HR, I'm still going for Gautami's kiss against Vasundhara's hug!
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Wed Nov 13 09:39:38 EST 2002
  
  Aalavandhan,
  
  >>>>>>>>
  
  This is what i call idiotic, reading between lines of my earlier comment. If you read my last posting, I didnt try to bring any IR-ARR issue here. I just said, dont expect ARR style composition from IR. I am a fan of both of them.
  
  Better ask all those questions to urself before posting....
  
  
• From: Aalavandhan (@ 210.186.51.17) on: Wed Nov 13 10:35:27 EST 2002
  
  Why is it that the only thread one can have a decent discussion is smeared by a moron?
  
  Sorry guys, I should not even have bothered to reason with such people in the first place. Please continue with your discussions.
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Wed Nov 13 10:42:20 EST 2002
  
  moron...good name for you Aalavandhan...
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  Sorry guys, I should not even have bothered to reason with such people in the first place. Please continue with your discussions
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  Thanks for the words...i am out....
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Wed Nov 13 23:03:23 EST 2002
  
  "I strongly object to bringing P Vasu s name when we talk of good,decent,meaningful cinema."
  
  I disagree OISG (as usual;-)).
  
  One should bring in P.Vasu to state what is a good, decent, meaningful cinema is and is not :-)
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Thu Nov 14 01:32:42 EST 2002
  
  Digressing towards TM further
  
  That weird hairdo,a popular late 1980s style which gained credibility(?) when Agassi sported was a good thought,i feel.That was a deleberate ploy to misguide you.
  
  We cousins used to have long sessions on TM and Michael(after Sivaji and Sridhar movies ofcourse!).The vadivelu dialogue- enna!Kaluvura kaiyila thinganum thingara kayila kaluvanum featured in one such discussions.A simple one it may look but a brilliant one which fully depicts the attitude of the actual men- in- arms and the fringe players in feudal wars.
  
  Kaka Radhakrishnan was simply outstanding.Even Kallapart (who played revathi s father) was superb.When Kamal offers a substitute (a feudal attitude brilliantly scripted) when the original groom runs away the man s thevar pride takes a beating.A great piece of work and thinking.
  
  Kupps,P Vasu and SA Chandrasekar should be made faculties in Pune Institute IMHO.
  
  
• From: krk (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Thu Nov 14 02:00:09 EST 2002
  
  OISG,
  What is so special about faculties of Pune Institute? Just curious to know.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Thu Nov 14 02:12:25 EST 2002
  
  Instead of using their services in Chennai lets use their service on an all-india level.They are the best ones available to teach you "HOW NOT TO MAKE A MOVIE".
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 202.88.155.34) on: Thu Nov 14 02:50:29 EST 2002
  
  OISG! Weird hairdo ok, what about the clothes? Moving on, did I ever bracket P Vasu and good cinema? In one stroke, you've done grevious damage to my reputation here :) I said I hate to be known as appreciative of the KSR and P Vasu (non)style of film-making. As for Kupps, he needs to demonstrate his calibre a lot more here to be able to accompany the likes of PV, SAC etc. in their sojourn to Pune. And that Vadivelu dialogue was a stunner, my memory for such things is awfully short. Must see TM this weekend..
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Thu Nov 14 03:05:17 EST 2002
  
  these digressions within digressions are gettin complicated.It was my mistake to club my answer to Kupps with the general post.Sorry!
  
  And your reaction to the last sentence is on expected lines!Damn my english ,punctuations etc.
  
  Kupps ,
  
  Hope HCL is doing fine.
  
  
• From: Aalavandhan (@ 203.106.139.103) on: Thu Nov 14 04:33:43 EST 2002
  
  Shouldn't it be DM not TM and what is HCL and pray tell me what/who is Michael? Is it MMKR?
  
  Orey Ku(zha)pps! :)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Thu Nov 14 05:32:03 EST 2002
  
  aiyO aenthala uruLudhae...
  
  I, to my advantage, assumed that OISG typed "Kupps," to address that line to me and not to club me with those esteemed directors. But i never expected a friendy(not friendLy)-foe from the same quarters....suresh vadivelu-va uyarthi aenna vadivelu aakkittenga :-(.
  :-))
  
  BTW what do TM, DM and HCL mean? I second alavandhan's second line.
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 202.88.155.34) on: Thu Nov 14 05:47:28 EST 2002
  
  Kupps avargale, kuzhappathil maRu kuzhappam; no connect between vadivelu dialogue and you, merely 2 disjoint sentences following in succession. Friendly foe ellam kidaiyaathu, I was trying to protect you from being bracketed with the likes of SAC and P Vasu, a very concerned friend :) Intha vishayathai ithoda mudikkalaina namma parthipan, vadivelu range-kku irangiduvom...
  :))
  TM - Thevar Magan, I believe sounds better than Devar Magan DM. Michael I'm sure stands for MMKR. HCL? I thought maybe Kupps worked for HCL, and OISG was nalam visarichufying.
  
  Engeyo pOyittOm? Sari, vishayathukku varuvOm - Kupps neenga entha katchi? Gautami kiss or Vasundhara hug? KuzhappAmal oru nAttAmai kaNakka pathinettu pattikkum ketkara maathiri oru theerpa sollunga..
  
  

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