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Topic started by bb (@ 24.4.254.104) on Tue Feb 20 03:21:22 EST 2001.
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Hi! We've made a major addition to newtfmpage, and that is a big song bank. Dhool features thousands of songs for your listening pleasure. This site is a part of the newtfmpage.com - swara.com group. Together with newtfmpage, we wish to make this the best place to listen to tamil film songs online and know about tamil film music. Our collection includes old, new, famous, rare and unheard of songs. We are still fine tuning and fixing the database errors, so please bear with us. We value your feedback, and this will help us build the site better. Please post your comments below or mail to comments@newtfmpage.com.
This work was done by us (bb and RR) with MS and swara.com ravi.

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• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Fri Dec 6 03:29:11 EST 2002
  
  Nagas..He probably did not know about the lyricist. I remember him being mostly careless about cine info and I guess he still is the same way :-)
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74) on: Fri Dec 6 04:03:04 EST 2002
  
  MS,
  
  neengathaanaa athu :-)
  
  naan kuRai sollaibaa, My fav. lyricst-ai ivLo pukazhnthuttu avar paeraimattum vittuttaangaLee-ngaRa aathangaththila ezuthinaen ... ambuttuthaan :-)
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: raj (@ 202.54.66.89) on: Fri Dec 6 04:19:41 EST 2002
  
  Athane ... As NAGAS said this is Vaalee's BEst Song too Under IR
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 163.181.250.2) on: Fri Dec 6 11:53:15 EST 2002
  
  "aamaam thodarnthu 2 naaLaa IR paattaa SOTD-la varuthE...konjam enna Ethunnu yaaraavathu vijaaringappaa"
  
  bb, enna? edhu?
  
  
• From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2) on: Fri Dec 6 12:48:25 EST 2002
  
  Oh, idhu IR paattaa? enakku theriyaadhu :-)
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Fri Dec 6 13:14:10 EST 2002
  
  no wonder this song sounds very IR-sh :-))
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 66.81.129.185) on: Fri Dec 6 13:21:02 EST 2002
  
  one of Vaali's most pedestrian lyrics with one of IR's most common beats and one of SPB's run of the mill numbers.
  
  
• From: hari (@ 128.46.156.137) on: Fri Dec 6 14:13:39 EST 2002
  
  Udhaya -
  pallavi has no beats.
  interludes and charaNams have an elegant rock-style beat... my friend who is a drummer commented that this is a nice beat for such a slow song.
  
  I can understand if you talk about songs like sangeedha mEgam - (1,2&3&4&)-type beat which you can find in several IR songs. Can you give examples of other IR songs with a similar beat?
  
  In fact, one thing I like about the beats in this song - is no bongo or congo.. just plain neat acoustic drumming.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 66.81.129.185) on: Fri Dec 6 14:25:57 EST 2002
  
  kannan vandhu paadugindraan and pani vizhum iravu both have this beat. A song from Tick Tick Tick has similar beats. Every school band plays this beat. That your drummer friend commented this was a nice beat for a slow song should matter to me how? It's still an opinion right? If your drummer friend likes it, I'm very happy for him. To me this is pedestrian use of drums even if I can't play drums or classify the type of beat structure used.
  
  
• From: hari (@ 128.211.136.235) on: Fri Dec 6 20:31:46 EST 2002
  
  :-) Woo, that was a harsher response than I expected. Harmless comment on my part abt my drummer friend... I was only trying to see why you thought that beat from IR was "common" - that is not an opinion, it is a factual observation (in my opinion :-)
  
  Anyway, you are right about kaNNan vandhup pAduginRAn. I am sure panivizhum iRavu does not have the same type of beat. Perhaps you meant panivizhum malarvanam... that too is different from manRam. If you referrring to idhu oru nilAkkAlam from tic^3, I think that is different too.
  
  Anyways, the beat in manRam vandha is definitely a fairly simple school boy beat, though Im not sure if IR has used it so much, because he rarely goes for such simple uncomplicated drumming as far as I have seen, particularly for a slow song such as this. In that sense, I thought it was unique ("uncommon") and pleasant. Anyways, there is some subjectivity involved here. Peace.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Fri Dec 6 22:34:55 EST 2002
  
  pdestrian lyrics, pedestrian orhestration, run of the mill number from SPB..adada :-)
  
  I am sure that I have seen many pedestrians humming this as they walk down the roads..in a lonely mood :-)
  
  
• From: R. Inbakaran (@ 202.161.107.56) on: Sat Dec 7 01:17:21 EST 2002
  
  Dear Sir,
  Greetings and best wishes.
  I chanced upon your web page 'Dhool' this week by accident and was totally surprised by your collection. I really enjoyed all the A.M.Raja's songs. He was my ever-favourite singer. Pity, he passed away so early. It is hard to find such a melodious singer these days. A great voice with at most decency.
  I thank you for this wonderful contribution to all the Tamils who have been spread out in all nooks and corners of this world. You have done a marvellous service to us. May God bless you richly for this.
  I have a query for you, i.e. , how come I am unable to save any songs from this site to my hard drive as we use to do with Nap ster and Kaazaa. Could you kindly explain? Or, is there any other site, which provides that facility as I am keen to save A.M.Raja's songs.
  
  Your response will be much appreciated.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  R. Inbakaran
  7/12/2003
  
  
• From: bb (@ 12.234.176.52) on: Sat Dec 7 01:43:54 EST 2002
  
  Inbakaran, We are just not napster or kazaa.. They are P2P networks, ours is a simple server.
  I guess, if you need AMR's songs, you might have to try sites like tamilmp3cd.com.
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.156) on: Sat Dec 7 03:49:50 EST 2002
  
  Udhaya,
  
  there is nothing great about the beat...but the catch for a drummer is on "When the beat starts?"...a drummer has to be really sharp to start at the exact momnt in the first interludes...generally a drummer starts playing at "samam" in other words at a beginning of a count...here the beat starts in a slightly off-set count(in technical terms "arai-idam thaLLi") which makes it hard for the drummer to percieve it...people just get amazed by the "mind-hand" co-ordination of the drummer...thatz it...but I wouldn't say no-one else has used it that way...it is a very common practise in Carnatic concerts
  
  I'm just trying to help u see what the drummer might have told.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 66.81.137.53) on: Sat Dec 7 12:13:45 EST 2002
  
  hari,
  harsh response to your harmless comment? come, come now. Not only did your post begin by telling me things that I didn't notice like, "pallavi has no beats" and that the "interludes and charanams have an elegant rock-style beats," you even brought in your drummer friend as a crutch for your argument. Then you ask me to give you some examples (not that I need to qualify my taste to your approval, but I gave them because you asked). Oh, to call something common is indeed an opinion. Rock is solid, water is liquid, these are what one can call factual observations. Then in your second post you agree that it was a simple school boy beat after all and that you don't think the other two examples have the same beat (pretty rebuttal there, btw). So either your opinion changed from the first post or your condescending attitude changed. I liked your last word though, peace, brother.
  
  Ram,
  Thanks for trying to help me see what the drummer might have said. Your post was informative but I doubt that the drummer had this in mind when he said it was a nice beat for a slow song.
  
  I just love it when the IR-image-guardians come out of the woodworks to defend a simple opinion about one of his songs, god forbid, IR should ever be discussed as anything "common".
  
  Listen to "Nalla Manam Vazhga" by an unknown MD, talk about nice beats for a slow song (ofcourse it's probably jarring because IR didn't do it). Listen to "Marandhae Poachu" by MSV, "Nenjam Paadum" by TR. All of these have better drum beats than the SOTD.
  
  
• From: hari (@ 128.211.133.4) on: Sat Dec 7 12:53:38 EST 2002
  
  Dear Udhaya, sorry for any misunderstnding. Most of your (non-musical) claims abt my postings are misunderstandings. I honestly wanted some examples of other songs with this simple beat, thats all. No pointing out, no illogical un-objective supporting argument involving my drummer friend (Im not that stupid, seriously), and importantly, no IR-jingoism at all.. I am far far (far) beyond that naive stage (I was there once upon a time, I agree) Please dont make such assumptions unnecessarily and spoil the mood of the discussion. Again, I am sorry about not wording my post more carefully.
  
  I think the core point of misunderstanding was this - that the beat in this song was "commonly used by IR", as against it being a "fairly coomon beat". I agree with (2), and wanted examples to support (1).
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Sat Dec 7 14:03:01 EST 2002
  
  "Nalla Manam Vazhga","Marandhae Poachu","Nenjam Paadum" all have pedestrian lyrics,pedestrian music,very pedestrian beats,pedestrian picturisation,pedestrian blah blah blah etc etc..:-)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 66.81.128.159) on: Sat Dec 7 14:12:59 EST 2002
  
  hari,
  Okay, let's leave it at that.
  
  peeps,
  You must have thought your post would get me all hot and bothered. I'm smiling though, mostly about your name.
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Sat Dec 7 14:41:13 EST 2002
  
  Udhaya,
  Peeps na etti pakrathu thaney?athula enna 'smile' panrathukku irukku?Neenga etti paathathey illaya?:-)
  
  
• From: musicfan (@ 68.80.13.253) on: Sat Dec 7 22:15:49 EST 2002
  
  Udhaya
  IF you notice, many IRs compositions retain very simple drum accompaniments and are not the fascination point in the song. If you notice, how the song and the lyrics are weaved around that basic tune , youll notice the work of a genius.
  For me, this song remains of the simplest yet most captivating songs ever in TFM. Ilaya Nila in Payanangal Mudivadhillai,PAnivizhum Malarvanam in Ninaivellam Nithya, and more recently En Kaadhale in Duet are examples of songs, where a very good voice and extremely simple lyrics work with very minimal musical backing to create magic.
  One recent song where I saw shades of such goodness is Yenthan Vaanin in Kadhal Virus. The tune is pedestrian and very old. but the singer with sheer honesty and depth elevates it to a completely different level.
  Needless to say, all the above songs, share my favorite singer SPB.
  
  
• From: Aalavandhan (@ 210.186.61.13) on: Sun Dec 8 02:51:11 EST 2002
  
  >>>>>>>>>"Nalla Manam Vazhga","Marandhae Poachu","Nenjam Paadum" all have pedestrian lyrics,pedestrian music,very pedestrian beats,pedestrian picturisation,pedestrian blah blah blah etc etc..:-)
  
  
  Forgive peeps. It is evident that he is a juvenile, who is not aware of great TFM pre 1975. :)
  
  Peeps can also be an abbreviation for peepaa? :)
  
  

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