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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: Vj (@ 219.65.98.78) on: Wed Apr 16 07:01:16 EDT 2003
  
  uh.. "Poraaley ponnuthaaye" came way back in 1996 i guess.
  
  
• From: Rags (@ 198.204.133.209) on: Wed Apr 16 13:45:23 EDT 2003
  
  HJ has strongly copied the "May Madam" Song "Raja eduthu Vai" in his latest "Vepamaram" SOng in Saami. Also, the "Idhutaana" Song from the same film resembles more like "Marghazi Thingal" from tyhe film "Sangamam".
  
  Instead of paying the LYRICIST for writing lyrics for a copied tune, he could have just suggested the director that he shoot the same Sangamam / May Madam Song with Vikram / Trisha.
  
  Ippadi COpy adhuchi thalara azhagula....i dont know how come HJ has stated in an interview that HE DOES NOT AND WILL NOT COPY / RE-USE TUNES.......romba harichandran parambarai thaan.....
  
  
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 209.222.202.12) on: Sat Apr 19 14:37:09 EDT 2003
  
  I was amused to read posts proclaiming Vidyasagar as the latest sensation of sorts in TFM. No doubt, VS has produced some nice tunes like "Unn samayal araiyil naan uppa sakkaraya", "aasai aasai appodhu, peraasai ippozhudhu, aasai theerum kaalam eppozhudhu", and "kanaa kandEnadi" his latest in the movie Parthiban Kanavu. As a matter of fact the last mentioned song, although pleasing to the ears, is an amalgam of the Maestro's past golden melodies and ARR's orchestra stuff. Specifically, the beats reminded me of the song "Guruvayoorappa naan konda kaadhalukku needhanE saatchi". The thavil part reminded me of "Kannodu kaanbathellam en thalaiva kanngalukku therivadhillai", and the Saxophone reminded me of some parts of ARR's music in the movie Duet. VS seems to be a good consolidator of past melodies introduced by the Maestro and the more modern music pioneered by ARR.
  
  The song "Gundu gundu gundu ponnE" in Dhool seems like it is inspired from "Ottagathai kattiko" in Gentleman. The song "Poovaasam" in Anbe Sivam reminds me at places of the song "Vellai pura ondru engudhu kaiyil varramalE" in Pudhu Kavidhai.
  
  More later.
  
  Music4ever
  
  
• From: * (@ 209.246.77.159) on: Sat Apr 19 23:16:57 EDT 2003
  
  very good arrlover anything u missed to mention ..first go learn abt ragas man ..then be a music lover
  
  
• From: Citizen (@ 12.240.72.64) on: Sun Apr 20 00:16:30 EDT 2003
  
  Lollu Party,
  May be you have no clue of Telugu and Malayalam sings by IR. He has composed for more than 100 direct telugu films and the percentage of recycled tunes from Tamil-> telugu or the other way is less than 10%; Unlike ARR who recycles majority song of his in all the languages possible.
  
  
• From: kum (@ 202.56.193.72) on: Sun Apr 20 12:45:08 EDT 2003
  
  the tune in the middle of this song "suntha hai mera jiya" looks exactly the same as "Inji Idupalaga"...any objections??
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.76.82) on: Mon Apr 21 02:03:39 EDT 2003
  
  "suntha hai mera jiya" from which movie? whoz the MD?
  
  
• From: hj fan. (@ 195.93.33.7) on: Mon Apr 21 05:57:58 EDT 2003
  
  the md is a.r.rahman . he remade this in tamil in alle arjuna "solayo solaiki".
  
  
• From: hj fan. (@ 195.93.33.7) on: Mon Apr 21 05:59:51 EDT 2003
  
  vidyasagar copie illayaraja song "neela vizhi" of darmathin thalaivan to compose kaarmegham song "saptam podom".listen carefully the tune is similar.
  
  
• From: srina (@ 61.1.205.132) on: Mon Apr 21 07:47:36 EDT 2003
  
  i watched the movie kadhal sadu gudu.in that movie whenever the family of Priyanka shown there will be a theme music.Deva just lifted the theme music of varusham16 and placed in this movie.
  
  
• From: ram (@ 198.142.224.13) on: Mon Apr 21 10:22:33 EDT 2003
  
  Arr copy english spanish french yani's music, even he copys thevaram tunes and 1950s period song tunes.. copy nu partha except IR all others are copying. but no one like Deva.. he is the best!!! e-adichan copy.. enama panuraru.. great
  
  
• From: pennathur (@ 12.46.179.254) on: Mon Apr 21 13:02:29 EDT 2003
  
  In "NeengaL KEttavai" by Balu Mahendra - IR tuned a particularly soulful number - Kanavu Kaanum KaNgaL Yaavum; sung by KJY. I love this song - but wonder why IR was forced to lift it lock, stock and barrel from Manoj Kumar's "Upkaar" "Kasme wade pyaar ke" sung by Manna De and tuned by Kalayanji-Anandji. If there is one thing IR is known for - it is for his devastating originality. He might re-use, cut and paste from his own tunes; but never will he recycle someone else's tune. Was it Balu M who pushed to get this song into the movie I wonder? Becuase IR's originality is matched by Balu M's compulsive inability to do anything original. He makes Ram Gopal Verma (who is incidentally unapologetic about it) look like the director of the Patents and Copyright Office!
  
  
• From: kum (@ 202.56.193.88) on: Mon Apr 21 13:40:27 EDT 2003
  
  i think 'suntha hai mera jiya' is from Hindi Movie Pukar music by ARR..the intermediate tune in this song looks exactly the same as "Inji Idupalaga" from Devar Magan........has ARR copied the song from IR or its just an inspiration??...
  
  
• From: C>M (@ 202.156.2.186) on: Tue Apr 22 05:45:41 EDT 2003
  
  Listen to the song 'sollaiyo solaikili' the beggining is exactly a copy of old song ' kallellaam manikka kallaakuma' even the humming throughout is a lift. Who says ARR doesn't copy. He does it tackfully and all the fools that is the fans are blind to it thats all. He has lifted beats from MJ, has copied Deep Forest' and so on. Our kenatthu thavalais are not aware of these all of course...foooools!!!
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 210.210.81.200) on: Wed Apr 23 02:16:01 EDT 2003
  
  Karthik S
  
  the song "uyirin uyire" from movie kaakha kaakha by HJ .. I cant place what the original is.. but im pretty sure.. its inspired.. i am searchin my database for the original song..
  
  give u 1 week to spot the original :-)
  
  
• From: Death to America (@ 62.199.220.2) on: Wed Apr 23 03:24:50 EDT 2003
  
  Harris Jeyaraj "the Rahman wannabe" has copied "thirupachi aruvalu" from Taj Mahal in his latest movie Saami. Why cant he be as creative as he was with MINNALAE? Every Music Directors copies today even the maestro does it. ARR is good to hide them. Vidyasagar copies mostly from hindi, arabic and old ilayaraja songs. Deva copies any english songs and make them sound really bad. BHarathwaj copied "Manithan manithan ivan than manithan" and came up with a song called thamilan thamilan (movie: Rajiyam). There are no exceptions you can always find a tune which reminds of the songs MDs compose nowadays.
  
  
• From: joe (@ 198.142.216.27) on: Wed Apr 23 03:36:43 EDT 2003
  
  Yea!! Arr's sovayo solaikili sounds exactly like kalelam manika kalakuma.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 203.199.209.101) on: Wed Apr 23 04:52:23 EDT 2003
  
  >>>> Harris Jeyaraj "the Rahman wannabe" has copied....Why cant he be as creative >>>>
  
  coz he wants to be Rahman not HJ hence he copies Rahman to the core (even that Grin-ny smile....so much copy...yuck).
  
  >>>>> Why cant he be as creative as he was with MINNALAE >>>>>
  
  He is as creative as he was in minnalae -- remember the "columbus-oh!mama mama" creativity?
  
  Just because he is grin-ning, using latest technology much, composes in night he can't be a great MD.
  
  Thaadi vachchavanaellaam tagore/EVR illa.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.18) on: Wed Apr 23 14:06:16 EDT 2003
  
  Karthik
  
  There is a small correction in your webpage. Yanni's Quiet Man didn't come out in 1997. It came out in 1990.
  
  The album is "Reflections of Passion" relased on May 15, 1990. Check this out in amazon. So Rahman's pudhu vellai mazhai is indeed inspired from Yanni.
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Apr 23 16:40:10 EDT 2003
  
  Music4Ever, you spoke my mind regarding VS. I thought I was in the minority in my opinions on VS's creativity. But I now feel that there is 'prima facie' case against VS. I think he is basing his songs in the same metre (sandham) as some of IRs songs. (Somebody more knowledge should check out the songs mentioned) The tune is slightly different though. Though, he is using some electronics (like ARR) his orchestration is also mainly modeled after IR.
  We now have MDs stealing not just tune - but rhythm, metre and chords (publicly accepted by Anuradha Sriram and her husband in their debut film !!! as MDs). Also, the actual sounds/samples are being stolen from other songs. I think, Deva, in a hariharan-latha M(?) song (which goes like naan kumizhi, nee kaaRRu, enai thodatheE somewhere in the pallavi) has the prelude bit directly cut-and-pasted from a Loreena Mckennit song (celtic).
  So we have copying in various degrees going on.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.77.6) on: Thu Apr 24 00:14:54 EDT 2003
  
  kiru.. i think u r referring to "Engengey engengey" song from "Naeruku naer". "Indha nimisham" from Hello too was a heavily inspired (95% lift..eh) one from "Hai rama" -Rangeela.
  
  "Karisakaattu penney" from "Raja" (MD-SAR, singer-Chitra)... the charanam starts with a tune which sounds same as "Pyar ye jaane kaisa hai"'s charanam from Rangeela.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 210.210.81.200) on: Thu Apr 24 02:18:51 EDT 2003
  
  kiru,
  
  is VS = VSNarsimha.. the guy who stole Paul Mauriat's "transperence" to that Revathi's "Iravil oru pagal drama"
  
  he did compose a good song in the movie "dasarathan".. i forgot the name of the song...
  
  p.s: nice to see old faces like kiru swamiji back in the forum..
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 210.210.81.200) on: Thu Apr 24 02:21:57 EDT 2003
  
  not to mention return of the kupps..
  
  dont u feel harris jeyaraj has a BIG face.. almoat like a 70 mm screen.. he acts/looks as if he is some saint kinda tech geek somethin...
  
  i wonder if he has the stuff.. minnale was ok..
  
  i hate HJ's use of "ussusee" kind of olarals.. which are not words but just make for lack of lyrics.. if look at all his songs.. there is that "oyilaala" kind of meningless words ( cant call em words) used as filler for lyrics..
  
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Thu Apr 24 03:56:04 EDT 2003
  
  Bharath:
  
  Thats Vidyasagar Kiru is talking about, I presume.
  
  And V S Narasimman was not the composer for Dasarathan (Sharath Kumar - Heera starrer directed by Raja 'Kitty' Krishnamurthy). It was L Vaidyanathan (or was it L Subramaniam?). VSN's films include stuff like Achamillai Achamillai, Pudhiyavan, Mr Karthik....mostly grade B stuff, but some good ones like the ones directed by K Balachander (achamillai).
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 68.211.25.5) on: Thu Apr 24 07:05:04 EDT 2003
  
  isn't VSN the MD for "Vanna Kanavugal" or some movie of Karthik, Jshri and Murali ?
  
  

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