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Does ARR copy??

Topic started by boardsover (@ 202.9.148.80) on Wed May 15 14:18:02 EDT 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

ARR is a great musician considering the extent to which he has revolutionised TFM.......but does he copy a lot??

But I personally know just a few songs which are lifted and it is of course every MD's right in TFM to copy........NOM to deva :-)

They are.....

1.Telephone Manipol, the beats part from All That She Wants

2.En Veettu thotathil........sum carnatic song??

3.Velli Malare in JODI.......from some song in Karnan??

4.Muqabla......those cool beats in the end not lifted but inspired from some english song

5.Sundari from KM.......i dunno abt this one....coz i heard extremely similar beats in The Drew Carry Show.....may be co-incidence

6.Manasukkul oru puyal from STAR.......these beats exactly same as i saw in a movie played on Star Movies.......i mean towards the end when the cast and crew are displayed.

7.Shakalakka Baby......i feel these beats are kinda similar to those in NFS 3......not sure though

8.KM from KM.......again in one particular place the music is similar to ( not much ) wat i heard in NFS 3

can any body add onto this list.........???

Please donot pull other MD's into this discussion and star sum sort of ARR vs IR war........i know tis too hard to resist but please do :-)

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Responses:

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• From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Fri May 17 00:18:38 EDT 2002
  
  AR Rahman(no pun intended)
  
  I presume you just started listening to TFM not too long ago. Try listening to the songs made from 1976. You will learn alot and realize alot of the who/what/when/how/which/etc. of the present day music.
  
  Just give it a shot. If not you'll never know.
  
  :)
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.1.178.159) on: Fri May 17 01:04:49 EDT 2002
  
  ahem... as this thread is another sub-thread of "Copying - in Tamil film history", i've made my posts about ARR 'getting inspired'there.... will be making further posts only there. Hv a look and fire at me...!!!! :-)
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.1.178.159) on: Fri May 17 01:08:03 EDT 2002
  
  and to the 'ARRahman' of this thread... i believe "Star" was released after "Minnaley".. if thats the case, what wd be your reply...? ARR copying from HJ?
  
  
• From: Raju (@ 195.93.50.182) on: Fri May 17 01:38:11 EDT 2002
  
  AR Rahman,
  It is nice to hear that you accept that you are having faults also, but it is not necessary to drag other MD's through the mud.If you believe that YSR has copied Poongatrile to compose Mun Paniya, you are mistaken. I thought a musically educated guy such as yourself would understand that just because a song is in a similiar raga, it is not a copy.
  
  I think you should refer to the text books again ;-)
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.140.119) on: Fri May 17 06:08:51 EDT 2002
  
  boardsover
  
  You probably now know why you should not have started this thread. This forum is sometimes
  visted by pigs and when they crap, the stench is
  unbearable.
  Pigs are banned on the streets of Singapore and that is why they roam about this forum.
  
  Some of these porambokkus and PIMs (i.e. Peyer
  Illaatha Mundams) do not have an opinion
  worth talking about and feed on other people, just like the vultures they are.
  
  As far as copying or inspiration is concerned don’t worry about ARR. The trend was started by
  IR; ithai avarei bagirangamaaga oppukkondirukkiraar.
  
  You can't expect the unwashed filthy dogs to know this.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Fri May 17 06:59:11 EDT 2002
  
  ada para naai ROTFOOL,
  
  Let's analyse why u gettin so worked up.
  
  "You should also tell boardsover who taught ARR the "art of copying. :)
  psss - don;t ask, you may not like the answer. :)"
  
  ok now, let's look at ur pathetic response....
  
  "You probably now know why you should not have started this thread. This forum is sometimes
  visted by pigs and when they crap, the stench is
  unbearable.
  Pigs are banned on the streets of Singapore and that is why they roam about this forum.
  Some of these porambokkus and PIMs (i.e. Peyer
  Illaatha Mundams) do not have an opinion
  worth talking about and feed on other people, just like the vultures they are."
  
  Conclusion: A refelction of urself.
  
  Grow up child. Either have GUTS to say out and dun keep hiding behind all the potte gumbal's saris in that kampong u live in or dun say at all.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Fri May 17 10:33:15 EDT 2002
  
  Let me tell the ragaas.
  
  "yen veettu thottathil" - starting is "senchurutti", middle part is shankarabharamn and hamsadhwani. But, that senchurutti part make others think that it is a copy of "nadha vindu kalathi namonnam" song.
  
  As for "kangal yenge " song from karnan, I think it is "shanmuga priya" raagam. So is velli malare. You cannot change a raagam to escape being branded as copy cat.
  
  Of course Minnale came before STAR. But Thakshak, original of STAR, came two year before Minnale. So, there is every possibility of HJ copying it. In samurai itself, in one song , HJ has used the beats of "Thom karuvil irundhom " song
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Fri May 17 11:33:56 EDT 2002
  
  CF: It is not merely because both yen veettu thOttaththil and naadha vindhu are in senchurutti that they are considered similar. The notes used are the same.
  
  Neither kaNgal engE nor veLLi malarE are Shanmugapriya. In fact there is no prathimadhyamam and the dhaivatham is different too. kaNgaL engE sounds more like a limited use of bimpalaasi (aabEri) to the extent it alsmost sounds like sudhdha dhanyaasi (very limited use of ri and dha). veLLi malarE is more like Hindusthaani kaapi.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Fri May 17 12:08:23 EDT 2002
  
  rajaG:
  
  I are probably right about Kangal Enge song. I accept that. I do not have facts to prove it otherwise.
  
  But, tell me in "En veettu" song how long is the notes run similar. It probably only goes for pallavi alone. ARR himself has said that he and shankar wanted to bring a bramanical feel to that song..(madubala is a bramin in that film) and so they thought that that bajanai june will fit as a T. ARR carefully changed the raagas in the middle. I think ARR made this in a more consious way from a directors angle.
  AIMHO.
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Fri May 17 12:19:58 EDT 2002
  
  >>>I are probably right about Kangal Enge song. I accept that. I do not have facts to prove it otherwise.
  
  payththal.
  
  Sorry.
  
  It should be
  
  You are probably right about Kangal Enge song. I accept that. I do not have facts to prove it otherwise.
  
  >>>how long is the notes run simila
  how long does the notes run similar
  
  >>>bajanai june
  Bajani tune...
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.88) on: Sun May 19 01:44:13 EDT 2002
  
  gud that u corrected ur post CF..
  
  I read it as
  bajanai in june!!
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.34.162) on: Sun May 19 04:54:54 EDT 2002
  
  Bajani tune... -what is that cf?
  
  
• From: boardsover (@ 202.9.180.167) on: Mon May 20 00:18:05 EDT 2002
  
  wat abt the beats used in STAR........in mansukkul oru puyal.......can anyone verify that???
  
  ROTFL,
  thnx.......now got ur point
  
  magix,
  so u are in 11th is it?? ......that is moving to 12th?? :)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Mon May 20 02:37:44 EDT 2002
  
  boardsover, who said so the results r not yet come ;-))
  
  NOM (jff)
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Mon May 20 03:14:51 EDT 2002
  
  Magix
  
  "Aatha Naan paasayitten nnu Vayal varuppula koovikkitte oodi varathuthan Tamizh PaNbadu"
  
  
• From: Pradeep (@ 203.199.12.50) on: Mon May 20 03:52:06 EDT 2002
  
  Stop this discussion .......it is getting sour.......
  
  
  Whether u agree to it or not, ARR is the best.
  
  
  Pradeep R
  
  
• From: Pradeep (@ 203.199.12.50) on: Mon May 20 03:52:16 EDT 2002
  
  Stop this discussion .......it is getting sour.......
  
  
  Whether u agree to it or not, ARR is the best.
  
  
  Pradeep R
  
  
• From: boardsover (@ 202.9.181.221) on: Mon May 20 04:43:33 EDT 2002
  
  apa seri magix........nee pass anathum ellorukkum koovikitte therivichudu.....etho un mela irukkara confidence-la solliten..........kaala varidaatha ;-))
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.35) on: Mon May 20 08:13:07 EDT 2002
  
  boardsover
  Best of luck.
  
  Pradeep
  Don't let it hang. Best in what?
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.118) on: Mon May 20 21:50:50 EDT 2002
  
  seri here goes...
  "INTHA FORUM LA IRUKARA ELLARUM KELLUNGA!
  NAAN PASS AITEN. 12th KKU POITEN. SCHOOL LA 3rd!"
  
  ellam en neram thaan!
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.118) on: Mon May 20 21:52:07 EDT 2002
  
  btw..
  enna "sela paer" maari caps use panna vechutengale!! :(
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.118) on: Mon May 20 21:55:45 EDT 2002
  
  hey.. kaekka maranthuten.
  If u r in chn, do u mind telling me ur marx??
  did u write ur TNPCEE.
  sorry for going off track!!
  can u send me a mail boardsover??
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.118) on: Mon May 20 21:56:34 EDT 2002
  
  ahem.. back to the topic!!
  no arr does not!! ;))
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.188.64) on: Tue May 21 07:22:11 EDT 2002
  
  Congratulations magix!
  Ata boy. :)
  
  
• From: boardsover (@ 202.9.180.109) on: Tue May 21 12:04:36 EDT 2002
  
  AATHA MAGIX PASS AYITTAN :-)
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.231.143) on: Tue May 21 12:50:34 EDT 2002
  
  :))
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.114) on: Tue May 21 21:23:26 EDT 2002
  
  :) 1 more smiley coz i'm on a mission!!
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed May 22 01:21:58 EDT 2002
  
  AAAAA...
  Kullatha!Kuruvatha!Mangamma!Gangamma!Anjalai!Mariyamma!Karuppayee!
  Enga Sinna pannai 11ppu pass aaitaru!
  
  OlW..OlW..OlW..OlW..OlW..OlW..OlW..OlW.. (Kulavai chatham)
  
  Va Rasa!
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 203.197.20.232) on: Wed May 22 03:01:49 EDT 2002
  
  hey.. aint that "all-ppl-being-called" used for "ponnaatha vayasukku vandhuttaa" ??? :))
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 203.197.20.232) on: Wed May 22 03:02:25 EDT 2002
  
  if yes, OISG... theerpa maathi chollu.... !!!
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 203.197.20.232) on: Wed May 22 03:03:26 EDT 2002
  
  now i expect a "innum theerpey sollalada vennai" :))
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed May 22 03:50:00 EDT 2002
  
  Nan mariyathai therinchavan iyya!Appadi solla maatten!
  
  
  

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