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Rahman And Jennifer Lopez???

Topic started by siva (@ 161.142.78.82) on Wed Nov 8 01:19:34 EST 2000.
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http://www.musicurry.com/tamil/cook0032_jeni.html

is it true???

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• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Nov 10 12:15:01 EST 2000
  
  frankly how many will hear Yuvan or KR or bhavadharani if they dont come the background they are now in ?...
  
  Arr replaced by YSR, giveme a break,
  
  the basic difference between Yuvan and Arr,
  can be heard clearly in Rishi.
  
  Yuvan uses the same old sounds for all the songs, like we can tell it is a piano sound(the same old chord whamping from 1980.), same old spanish guitar scores for past 2 movies (in 2 years)...come on....one song sounds very close to ye ye kichu kileye.. he is no where near arr,
  
  Music through new Sounds is key for music in 2000. People look for sounds more than anything. Md has to know this and cater to public in order to make it big. check with few new telugu mds, they use lots of new sounds etc.
  
  Only KR can come close to arr, he is a very talented guy just needs to keep his mouth shut and work. With a little bit of luck, I am sure he will win many ears.
  
  
• From: KRM (@ 204.163.202.67) on: Fri Nov 10 12:34:20 EST 2000
  
  STS,
  
  >>When you don't have your own ideas you depend on others. Giving credit
  does not make one great musician. When you say ARR is calm, how about others?
  
  I do not see any logic in these statements...I never said giving others credit makes one a great musician. What are you blabbering about? May be to you ARR has not introduced novel ideas. May be to you Alaipayuthe, rhytm are mediocre hits, May be to you Deva, YSR, SAR are better than ARR. Myself and millions of others beg to differ.
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 199.166.248.189) on: Fri Nov 10 13:10:11 EST 2000
  
  Fan
  
  "Music through new Sounds is key for music in 2000. People look for sounds more than anything. Md has to know this and cater to public in order to make it big. check with few new telugu mds, they use lots of new sounds etc"
  
  Do you think that is a trend to be encouraged? Do you think music directors should become 'sound manipulators'? Do you think MDs should spend more time in manipulating sound rather than creating new tunes?
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Fri Nov 10 13:14:47 EST 2000
  
  Doubter,
  
  My thoughts,
  Innovation is sounds should be encouraged but not at the cost of creation of tunes.After creating a nice tune it is necessary to polish it well by manipulating or enhancing the feel and quality of sounds.
  
  Maybe,that's why it makes more sense to take more time for an album.-)
  
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Nov 10 13:48:35 EST 2000
  
  doubt:
  there is very interesting topic called "computer music", this not what tfm things as computer musiuc,
  This is big. Serials like startrek,X-Files and movies like starwars adapt this method.
  
  The "computer musicians" tell that 12 notes are boring for them, All these musicians are very qualified regaular-musicians just converted themselves as computer musicians.
  They are starting to think music in frequencies. They use the computer to generate some unique sounds and use them "musically".
  
  Sound plays a vital , we can given good music with different sounds, hey the flute is also a sound, we accept it since we have been hearing from the days of lord krishna.
  
  
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Nov 10 13:49:39 EST 2000
  
  we can given good music with different sounds
  read it as
  we can "give" good music with different sounds
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Nov 10 15:59:50 EST 2000
  
  Any link on this 'computer music' ? These '12 notes' are not something which came in yesterday. People have found some very old flutes (made with holes in bones) belonging almost to the stone age. Also, these 12 swara sthanams have been in use even in TN along the same timeframe it was invented in the West (cross-cultural evidence). (Yeah..chinese is pentatonic but it can be considered a subset of the 7/12 notes, I think).
  I have heard these 'new sounds' but yet to hear one that is musical without following the 12 notes (well I may not be qualified to detect this).
  I do know ARR goes for the new sounds, but my understanding is he spends more time on the arrangment (what instruments) than the sound. This is something not new. It is one of the main aspects of music making and it has been this way for a long long time.
  Personally, to me there is more to explore in arrangements and in the way instruments are played (like how rock took guitar playing to different directions). But this does not mean I discourage exploring 'new sounds'. Just new sounds alone cannot make one great/smart. It has got to sound musical !!! Only musical compositions will stand the test of time others will only have a short lived novelty value.
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Nov 10 16:41:04 EST 2000
  
  kiru
  i think you are totally confused.
  
  please understand, doing music with new sounds is the trend followed from 1998, many groups now have started looking for new sounds.
  If at all they use a keyboard in the score
  they consider it is some what a poor practice to use the factory sounds from a keyboard. Yuvan shanker raja is using lots of factory presets.
  It makes his arragements weak.
  
  Also you have spoken about arragements etc, i think by default everyone knows what is music is. how it different from a raw sound, Listen to Xfiles background scores for computer music.
  
  mixing "sangu" with sax or violins
  mixing "urumi" with a syth groovebox.
  These are few samples that i came across with mds when i went to madras recently this is what i am talking about.
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.30) on: Fri Nov 10 16:51:35 EST 2000
  
  Trend
  
  Your suggestion is good. Tune comes first. Polishing the sound, innovative beats etc enhance the quality. No doubt. But just innovative sound and beats, at the cost of tune, does not look like something to be encouraged.
  
  I raised my point because fan said, "People are looking for sound MORE THAN ANYTHING". This sounds like assigning more emphasis on sound than on tune. Is this a good trend? Yes or No?? Fan, you have not answered my question yet.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 193.113.185.132) on: Fri Nov 10 17:57:50 EST 2000
  
  just a thought,
  what will be the position of ARR sans all the synthetic sounds?
  unless he is able to come out with a convincing a score like,say ,barathy without any synthetic sounds,his claim for being a genuine musical creator will remain suspect.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Nov 10 20:57:47 EST 2000
  
  !mixing "sangu" with sax or violins
  !mixing "urumi" with a syth groovebox.
  Is the above considered as new sound ? I thought it was new arrangement ?
  Re: new sounds. My opinions are more like that of Trend's. Tune or melody is important, IMO. Ofcourse, you can just listen to Zakir Hussain for the variety of beats.
  Isn't using factory presets akin to using real instruments as is ? I have no problems with that. doubter said it very well.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Nov 10 21:00:39 EST 2000
  
  fan..dont address me directly..please..
  Address the points..Just a suggestion
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Sat Nov 11 12:47:10 EST 2000
  
  Let me make my stand clear.According to me both tune and sound is important.First of all,tune should be good b'cos any MD would decide the tune first and then start innovating with sounds.
  
  I wouldn't consider a song appealing if the tune is good but the sound is not and vice versa.I need both good tune and good sound .Maybe I'm greedy.-)
  
  I think lot of people here are content with tunes.
  
  In this respect,personally I feel ARR has satisfied me more .ARR gives innovative sounds and keeps the whole song interesting.Though IR's tunes are highly listenable his sounds can be better IMHO.
  
  Trend
  
  
• From: Podhum (@ 216.34.244.106) on: Sat Nov 11 15:44:25 EST 2000
  
  Trend - why are you boring us with the same stuff over and over again in every single thread you post. Contribute usefully if you can. Otherwise just observe what goes on! (Atleast learn from your favourite ARR that quality matters more than quantity). Every single thread here has inane, worthless, asinine posts from you that neither make for intersting reading nor are informative. I am amazed how you continue to post this drivel (and even revel in it).
  
  
• From: STS (@ 38.28.19.40) on: Sat Nov 11 16:30:05 EST 2000
  
  Trend,
  
  It will be easy on your part and our part if you can let know what are the innovative sounds introduced by ARR. (My opinion is 90% of the sounds in ARR's album are base guitar and drums). All MD's use the same sounds but in case of ARR it has the full effect (because of the way they do the recording). If you differ, you can pinpoint some of the innovative sounds. People can respond to that. I remember when you talk about unique sound, the 'tatang tatang' sound from Kaadhalan. I have not heard it from other MD's (though IR gives something like 'sikku sikku' sound for train).
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 63.202.172.136) on: Sun Nov 12 11:01:43 EST 2000
  
  I think Trend is referring to the filters (like LFO) that are used on top of real instruments (like tabla). Envelope shaping (rise, sustain, decay characteristics of notes). etc. These are done so as make the original sound of instruments different.
  Sometimes, I think if Saint ThyagarAja was around he would be accused of sparse orchestration or Mozart or Bach for using the same sound again and again :-) Did you say composition ? I didnt hear it.
  :-)
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 63.202.172.136) on: Sun Nov 12 11:44:35 EST 2000
  
  It should be 'Envelop shaping/rise-sustain-decay modification of notes'.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Sun Nov 12 13:18:45 EST 2000
  
  STS,
  
  The base instruments which ARR is using is mostly conventional or traditional.What is innovative is the way he makes one instrument sound on top of the other by filtering in the time scale and frequency scale(to be very fundamental) with lot of experimentation on variations and checking the way it sounds.
  
  Everyone would know what instrument is being played.My feeling is he makes them sound fresh(something new).
  It is the unique mixture of instruments to make it sound new.
  
  Kiru,
  
  From a layman's understanding of the terms('Envelop shaping/rise-sustain-decay modification of notes') you mentioned,I think that's what it is.The sound is new when it reaches the ear though the mind after careful scrutiny would remember the fundamental sound.
  
  Podhum,
  
  I'm also trying to learn a lot from this site.So I ask questions(probably childish) to get people's valuable opinion on a particular thing.
  Is it wrong in trying to learn something?
  People answer me if they feel like and if consider it foolish they just don't respond.
  
  I think you are privileged with a good musical knowledge.Unfortunately,I'm not.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 63.202.172.136) on: Sun Nov 12 14:33:51 EST 2000
  
  Trend,
  No I dont have good musical knowledge. But I think I can see certain compositions 'seem to touch you more deeply'. In situations like this recording/new sounds dont matter, IMHO. I was listening to music using a transistor radio on AM but today I listen to music using a system worth few thousand dollars. Did it make a difference ? Yes, it just sounds better but the musical appeal is the same.
  What is 'filtering the time-scale' ?
  I guess by 'filtering freq scale' you are referring to the 'roll-off'/'sweeten' of harmonics (above 10K). I am told even my amp has this kind of (roll-off above 10k) freq response to make even harsh music sound nice. I suspect ARR is doing this consciously as part of his 'mastering' process or it might be just that synth sounds are already rolled off.
  BTW, I dont have any problems with 'altering sounds'. The tabla in Loreena Mckennit's does not sound like tabla but I still enjoy it.
  
  

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