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Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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From: Jeyaram (@ 203.197.128.58) on: Sun Sep 10 12:54:55 EDT 2000

Hi MS/ RR,

One pure Vasanthy number, as I know , is ' Anbu Nadamadum Kalaikoodame...' from Avanthan Manithan (MSV). A wonderful song.

As also, good Harikhamboji numbers are -

'Pournami Nilavil' (SPB / SJ) from Kanni Penn (MSV)
'Ore Padal Unnai Azhaikum' (TMS) from Engiruntho Vandal' (MSV).

Hope these are correct.

What is the conclusion on Yamuna Nadhi inge ?
Jeyaram
From: Vasu (@ 192.35.232.116) on: Mon Sep 11 09:45:12 EDT 2000

I think Kalviya Selvama Veerama is in Harikambhoji. Film Kalidas?
From: Vasu (@ 192.35.232.116) on: Mon Sep 11 09:47:48 EDT 2000

MS:
I thought palamudhircholai is in khamas.
From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Mon Sep 11 10:22:58 EDT 2000

Vasu :

You may be right ! I did have this doubt for a long time. IR/RR/Vid - please calrify

Jeyaram:

IS there a link to the vasanthi number ?
From: silkfort (@ 202.9.160.170) on: Tue Sep 12 06:09:34 EDT 2000

is " ava manja kulichaa" from Taj mahal in Vasanthi too?
From: nakkeerar (@ 204.164.111.130) on: Tue Sep 12 11:08:00 EDT 2000

dhaajmahaal- pattu is "Adi manja kizhangae" I guess.

"Pazhamudhircholai"(Varusham 16) pattil charaNam last line..
oru bodhai manam koNdaadudhaee
idhil "koNdaadudhae" has swarams as ririri gama gari sani dhapa.

khamas doesn't have a ri in its aarohaNam.
the song shud be harikaamboji.
From: SL (@ 208.49.174.80) on: Tue Sep 12 15:25:22 EDT 2000

Jayaram, 'Anbu nadamaadum' starts with SR1, more on the lines of bhoopalam and then brings in vasanthi. The first line of the stanzas includes D2 also and then later D1 in the line 'malar vaNNa mugamE'. Whew!!! All this to prove that it is not pure Vasanthi :--). I agree with Vidhs, Pazhamuthir ChOlai is in HK indeed!!
From: SL (@ 208.49.174.80) on: Tue Sep 12 15:26:13 EDT 2000

And MS..how did you get those notes for 'IlaKKaNam maruthO' ?
From: haris (@ 205.227.43.12) on: Tue Sep 12 15:59:23 EDT 2000

has IR tuned any film song in Raaja Lahari - that he himself has invented??
From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.5) on: Tue Sep 12 16:01:27 EDT 2000

Another song that looks like Vaasanthi is,
'Vaan pole vannam konda' from Salangai oli.
the song starts with Mohanam, and then the charanam seems to be in Vaasanthi.

Experts confirm
From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Tue Sep 12 17:42:09 EDT 2000

SL:

That seemed to be the swarams when I tried playing/ singing.(please note the base - it is the western (keyboard) base that I have used to denote the swaras).
From: SL (@ ) on: Wed Sep 13 03:07:36 EDT 2000

MS,'IlakkaNam..'s is in Hamir Kalyani. I think the song starts in D2. Both M1 and M2 are used , typical of a song in Hamir Kalyani.
From: SL (@ 63.253.6.33) on: Wed Sep 13 03:11:15 EDT 2000

'Yamuna nathi ingE' sounds like some Kambhoji Janyam. Some other HK numbers, 'Amaithiyaana nathiyinilE Odam..', 'Unnai Ondru kEtpEn'.
From: mrs.mano (@ 194.170.164.234) on: Wed Sep 13 08:09:52 EDT 2000

can anyone say which raga is the following songs are in?
1.aagaaya vennilaave tharaimeethu vandhatheno?
azhagana maalai soodi arangerum velai thano?
2.maalaippozhudhi mayakkathile kanavu kanden thozhi.
3.mayakkum maalai pozhudhey nee po po[kulebagavali]
From: Trisha (@ 203.197.9.166) on: Wed Sep 13 09:52:20 EDT 2000

Mrs. Mano,
Please refer to the link provided on top of this thread. It has a database of many many songs. If you don't find the answer, you may post them here.
Thanks
Trisha
From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Wed Sep 13 10:41:35 EDT 2000

Hi,
1.Thanks IR for ur clarification on "Andhamanai.."
2.There ia another Vaasanthi number "Nallavarkellam Sakshigal rendu onru manasakshi......." sung by TMS, i dont remmeber the film or the MD.Can somebody clarify?

3. Yamunanadhiyingae looks like Nagaswaravali...compare with the "Holiday Mood "tune of MSV at
http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/ppp/
and the Nagaswaravali alapana/krithi rendition "Garudagamana" by Flute N Ramani athttp://www.musicindiaonline.com/cgi-bin/music.cgi?Mode=List&Code=00010I&a=sdiklg985kmfdsiumds98m
, especially MSV has made good use of the flute in both his "Holiday Mood" tune and "Yamuna Nadhiyingae". To be confirmed please...
From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Wed Sep 13 10:45:27 EDT 2000

Another question on Vaasanthi.. the only classical composition i have heard is Lalgudi's thillana and i suppose its a post-trinity discovery.Am i right?
From: Kannan (@ 209.185.189.241) on: Wed Sep 13 12:20:50 EDT 2000

"Nallavarkellam Sakshigal.." is from the film "Thyagam" and the MD is IR.
From: Vidhya (@ 204.164.111.130) on: Wed Sep 13 12:28:58 EDT 2000

Ravi: nAgasvarAvaLi : Janyam of Harikaamboji
S G3 M1 P D2 S | S D2 P M1 G3 S

Yamunaa nadhi has a R2 and N2.
I would rather label "Yamunaa nadhi" as Harikaamboji or some janyam of it.
From: jeyaram (@ 203.197.128.50) on: Wed Sep 13 13:45:48 EDT 2000

SL : I think 'Illakanam Marutho' is Sudha Saranag (Hindustani). I am not sure how it is diff. from Hamir Kalyani though it should be pretty close.

All, Thanks for taking up Yamuna Nadhi Inge.
ravi68, what is the 'Holiday Mood' tune of MSV ?
what are you referring to ? Pl clarify.

But, which raga is the song ?

Mrs Mano - To your query,

1.Natabhiravi
2.Sumanesa Ranjani
3.Bagesree

Jeyaram
From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Wed Sep 13 16:25:15 EDT 2000

M1 and M2 - both in ilakkaNAm maarutho ? Can you please highlight the usage SL ?
From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Wed Sep 13 21:25:15 EDT 2000

Jeyaram..I really luv the Yamunanadhiyangae tune...Perhaps as Vidhya says its Harikhamboji but "Nagaswaravali"ish. And for your query.. go to the site http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/ppp/
and then "MSV's Instrumental Holiday Mood". It was the title song for the Srilankan Radio Tamizh Sevai 2 morning Pongum Poompunal program.
From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Wed Sep 13 21:28:30 EDT 2000

And Jeyaram..do let me know ur feedback once u hear it... the use of the flute to etch the tune. My view is that cinema songs never fall into a clear raga scale and we have to go by the predominant melody scale which is there in that song
From: SL (@ 63.253.226.191) on: Thu Sep 14 03:55:37 EDT 2000

Jeyaram, 'Maalai pozhuthin ..' song seems to be more of Chandrakouns than anything else. We can exchange notes if that's alright with you.
From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Thu Sep 14 11:15:41 EDT 2000

Vidya: Is there R2 and N2 in the ascent in "Yamunanadhiyingae"..please clarify

SL..please do keep it on newtfmpage...let us have the benifit of that too..please :-)
From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Thu Sep 14 12:00:23 EDT 2000

hello SL - en kELVikkenna bathil ? :-)
From: Srikanth (@ 38.202.233.99) on: Thu Sep 14 14:27:26 EDT 2000

Hi

Can someone please tell me the raga for the extended instrumental (first) in Raja parvai? The scene where Madhavi and Kamal meet first (she is attending his concert for the first time).

To jog your memory, the "words" for this piece goes like this:

tyOn tyOn tyOn tyon tyon tyon todattOdatyOn...

:-)

Thanks,

Srikanth
From: Vidhya (@ 204.164.111.130) on: Thu Sep 14 18:46:12 EDT 2000

Srikaanth: "Andhi mazhai" is "Vasantha".

ravi: In the first line ..
raadhai mugam ingae kaNNan povadhengae..
"povadhengae" is nisa nisarisa ni dha
From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137) on: Thu Sep 14 20:51:31 EDT 2000

Sl/MS..There is another IR song in Hamirkalyani sung by SPB and Vani Jeyaram which starts with "Devi Vandha Neram....". And offcourse it does goes off into Naatai in its charanams..as in "Mannumm vinnum onrai..undan maan vizhi paarvaiyil kandaen...". Can somebody throw more light on that?
From: Srikanth (@ 38.202.233.99) on: Fri Sep 15 12:26:40 EDT 2000

Vidhya,

Thanks. However, my question is about the purely instrumental piece in the beginning of the film. Kamal standing in the stage and playing violin with orchestral accompaniment. It is a fusion piece that starts out classical.

Thanks,

Srikanth.
From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Fri Sep 15 12:40:14 EDT 2000

somebody please give the aaro/avaro of Hamir kalyaan. I have just a feel for this raagam but no idea how it goes technically.

Also please clarify as to how it differs from "sudhdha saarang" and "saarangaa" by explaining technically.

TMK, the songs in saarangaa are:

(1) kaadhalil maattaamal sutrugindra kaaLAi ivan
(2) manasil uNaru usha sandhyayaay - KJY,SJ from a mallu movie - I shall try to get the link. It si actually a raagamalika comprising of panthuvarraLi, saaranga and one more raaga(forgot its name)

Hamir kalyaaN:

(1) yEriyilE oru kashmir rojaa
(2) manathukkuL utkaarndhu maNi adiththai ( This is the song which confuses me)
From: Vidhya (@ 204.164.111.130) on: Fri Sep 15 12:49:45 EDT 2000

MS: Both are kalyaNi janyams.
aarohaNam bears a clear-cur difference.
HamirkalyANi |65| S P M2 P D2 N3 S | SN3D2PM2M1G3PM1R2S
sAran'ga |65| S R2 G3 M2 P D2 N3 S | SN3D2PM2R2G3M1R2S
From: IR (@ 63.16.71.220) on: Fri Sep 15 12:56:51 EDT 2000

Vidhya is right... but I would go by the following arohanams as they bring out the raaga chaya better.. the main difference lies in the usage of Madhyamam... and the prayoga

HK: Sa Ri2 Sa Pa Ma2 Pa Dha2 Ni3 Sa
Sa Ni3 Dha2 Pa Ma2 Ma1 Ga3 Pa Ma1 Ri2 Sa

Saaranga: Sa Ri2 Ga3 Ma2 Pa Dha2 Ni3 Sa
Sa Ni3 Dha2 Pa Ma2 Ri2 Ga3 Ma1 Ri2 Sa

The beauty of HK lies in the usage of the 2 madhyamams next to one another.. Saranga uses the prayoga Ma2 Ri2 Ga3 Ma1 Ri2 Sa.. only
From: IR (@ 63.16.71.220) on: Fri Sep 15 13:01:01 EDT 2000

There is both a Shuddha Saarang and a Sudhdha Saaranga - the former a janya of Shankarabharanam and hence has only Ma1 and the later I believe is a janya of Rishabhapriya and takes Ma2.

I am not too sure about the aaro/avaro of these 2

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