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IR or ARR

Topic started by M.Anand (@ ihproxy1.proxy.lucent.com) on Tue Jan 18 01:03:04 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

hi all, I am Anand from bangalore and a new visitor to the tfm page. I am a great fan of both ARR and IR. I browsed through all the earlier threads on ARR and IR. It seems to me that there are quite a few anti ARRs out here.

Let me tell you something about IRs music. IRs music became popular and sounded different because he tried to bring in a westernization of Carnatic ragas in his songs. Even a dappanguthu was in Lathaangi or sivaranjani. That actually made the difference. Otherwise he is no great MD. One might argue that such a westernization or incorporation of a carnatic raga in a dappanguthu or jazz is something that demands great applause. But IR doesn't deserve that because, if u say u are tuning a song in a particular raagam, you have to bring out the nuances, the laya and bhaava of the raagam in to the song. Just traversing the swaras in the raagam here and there does not mean that u have tuned a song in that raagam. Ilayaraaja has done just that, a mere traversal through the swaras. In many places, there were apaswaras also. ARR has tuned very few songs based on Carnatic ragas but they were classics. For example Mettu podu in Anjali is a beautiful song in Ananda Bhairavi. He has brought out every nuance of the raagam in that song. Minsaara Kanna in padaiyappa is an excellent piece in vasantha. En mel vizhunda mazhai tuliye is again a beautiful piece in kaapi. A real mix of the east and west. That is what u call fusion. Ilayaraaja boasts of having composed songs in rare raagas like chala nattai, kanakangi etc. For example pani vizhum malar vanam in chala nattai is again a pure note traversal. There was no attempt to bring out the nuances in the raaga. So IR knew how to make songs sound good but ARR gives a fine polish to each and every one of his songs. IR composed music for 700 odd films. Hey Ram is his 785th film. Considering 7 songs per movie, he has tuned almost 5500 songs. Huge number indeed but hardly 5% of those songs are listenable others are 100% pure junk. But 99.9% of ARRs songs are listenable and they are also good numbers. What do you say about this?

Regards,
Anand

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• From: V (@ mayo.ee.qub.ac.uk) on: Wed May 31 08:54:59 EDT 2000
  
  Anand back to Lucent research group for good. And he really regret to put this posting. Sometimes people wont use their brain cell before
  click the button 'post' not thinking the exact consequences.
  IR and ARR have the gems of their very own and both are the best
  in India. No doubt of that.
  Anyway I saw Channel 4 Bollywood profile about ARR. Something
  to be proud off actually.
  IR when to Hungary and record the BGM for Hey Ram and the conductor of orchestra just can't believe IR tallent ..composing the
  BGM for 3 hours movie for just less then 2 days.
  
  You are free to post negative about some Hindi composer who knows
  well in microsoft application ( cut and paste ).
  Bless you
  
  
• From: Su (@ 192-39-227175.unisys.com) on: Wed May 31 10:06:28 EDT 2000
  
  V:
  
  I am also in UK. What time does this 'Bollywood profile' program come in Channel 4 ?? Please let me know - I would also like to see that. Thanks
  
  
• From: Vij (@ mayo.ee.qub.ac.uk) on: Wed May 31 13:44:53 EDT 2000
  
  Su
  You can watch it Sat night 00:55 a.m. under 4 later
  This is last week schedule of ARR music
  
  http://www.channel4.com/4later/000527.html
  
  and..
  
  Next Sat June 03
  
  http://www.channel4.com/4later/000603.html
  
  Regards
  V
  
  
• From: amalraj (@ m51.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu Jun 1 01:46:09 EDT 2000
  
  KRM,
  
  exactly what i wanted to say one can only be pleased with such lovely sounds which are pleasant to our ears ,but our feelings vibrate
  when we hear to real music that is what IR has.(same side goal perhaps).
  
  
• From: Cog (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my) on: Thu Jun 1 05:58:35 EDT 2000
  
  If Ilayaraja is so goooood, then why is he in hybernation and if AR Rahman is so so lousy, then why is he soooooo popular.
  
  If anybody has sense, they will realise that Ilayaraja's downfall was because he has lost whatever little talent he had.
  
  AR Rahman rulz!
  
  
• From: sreemurugan krishnan (@ sc-155-125.tm.net.my) on: Thu Jun 1 07:18:39 EDT 2000
  
  Hi! to all IR fans.This is sree from malaysia.Nice to meet all of you.I am ardent fan of isaingani illayaraaja.He is the millenium music composer.Infact in one tv interview the great tablist zakeer husein said as" oh my god i am sure illayaraja is the great music composer".My dear friends since started to listen to music the, only music that makes love to music is IR'S music.That song was panivilum malarvanam.Till now i am loving isaingani illayaraaja's music.Tommorrow his birthday.Many many happy returns of the day wishing to my " isaingani the maestro illayaraaja".May the lord with him at all the times.wishing him of all the best.Sir! you are great.keep it up your progress to produce best tamil music into the 21st century.
  
  bye.From bottom of my heart,
  
  sreemurugan krishnan
  johor bahru.malaysia.
  
  
• From: chander (@ 203.197.177.100) on: Thu Jun 1 11:26:05 EDT 2000
  
  mr.anand
  if you were a continous follower of IR's music you would'nt have blabbered so much. telling 100% of IR's tynes are bad shows your ign0rance.
  
  
• From: pangaali (@ csgrad12.cs.wvu.edu) on: Thu Jun 1 13:14:51 EDT 2000
  
  Yov cog!!
  Popular MD vera ...good composer vera
  Ippa parunga...Lalu prasad yadav(in all india level),oru popular politician...aana nalla politiciana?!
  Hope u understand the difference...
  poi varugiraen,
  pangaali.
  
  
• From: pangaali (@ csgrad12.cs.wvu.edu) on: Thu Jun 1 13:15:53 EDT 2000
  
  ARR sucks!!!!
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Thu Jun 1 13:56:46 EDT 2000
  
  pangaaLi, please refrain from singular address. Thx
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ ws-209-233-228-254.webvangroup.com) on: Fri Jun 2 02:51:45 EDT 2000
  
  MS enna, ongalaa thavira *oldies* yariyuum kanooom.... ellorum vanavasam vangittu poitangalllaaa:-)
  
  
• From: Thinakaran Thangavelloo (@ 203.106.8.194) on: Fri Jun 2 04:34:21 EDT 2000
  
  Both ARR & IR are extremely talented human beings. To compare one against the other you have to have experienced both their music at the time it was prime. Most of ARR's fans are young people who think & feel that IR's music is too old & ancient for them. IR's fans usually know that deep down inside, "this" the music that vibrates in ur heart. ARR's music is soothing to the ear & exciting, but there are not much feeling in it. ARR's fans who go on & on abt the greatness of ARR & how lousy IR is. They are obviously prejudiced in their view due to their limited knowledge & experience of the music of the MAESTRO.
  
  Open up ur mind & lend ur ears to music.
  
  Long live IR & ARR & their music.
  
  
  Thina
  Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
  
  
• From: sethu (@ 196.12.186.32) on: Fri Jun 2 09:36:17 EDT 2000
  
  cog
  if you think IR is in hybernation then you are thinking out of context,cos he is the infinite source of music (god of music).
  
  
• From: sethu (@ 196.12.186.32) on: Fri Jun 2 09:36:26 EDT 2000
  
  cog
  if you think IR is in hybernation then you are thinking out of context,cos he is the infinite source of music (god of music).
  
  
• From: V (@ mayo.ee.qub.ac.uk) on: Fri Jun 2 12:21:31 EDT 2000
  
  ARR is isai puyal .. just like a tornado he will strike and take notice by
  everyone but the tornado ( his music ) will only last for a while ( in the
  heart of music lover). ARR do have his good tune too.. no doubt
  
  IR is ragaa thevan.. his music is remain and still remain in all music
  lover's heart.
  I begin to listen to IR song during the middle of 80's (86 to be precise)
  and I went back to his old collection like 16 Vayathele and Kilakkai
  Pogum Rayee. This shows his tune is pure rythm .
  
  India's top super star IR no doubt .
  Bless you
  
  
• From: Info (@ wwwgate2.motorola.com) on: Fri Jun 2 12:28:46 EDT 2000
  
  http://www.themusicmagazine.com/shreeni.html .... Interview with Srinivas. Says that he is a mad fan of IR, but does not enjoy singing under him.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Fri Jun 2 12:36:12 EDT 2000
  
  FYI:
  
  The musician Sharath he refers to is the one who composed the songs for the mallu movie sindhoora rekha. The songs are absolute gems. My favourite is " ende sindhoorarekhayum" sung by KJY + chitra.
  
  
• From: gundu (@ l-coe012.win.icaen.uiowa.edu) on: Mon Jun 5 15:10:09 EDT 2000
  
  HI guys,
  
  did u guys listen to the guitar (I hope it's guitar or is it mandolin? ) prelude before the pallavi of the song "ivvu ivvu okka mudhu" in the telugu movie "Prema" ? the tempo that piece brings in is totally changed once the song starts .. quite innovative I thought .. IR keeps ruling!!! :))
  
  
  
• From: sg (@ 203.197.207.81) on: Thu Jun 8 08:28:54 EDT 2000
  
  IR is strong in tunes & not in orchestration,
  his orchestration is very simple, everyone can do
  that, if they listen to 4 or 5 films.
  But ARR's orchestration is somewhat unexpectable.
  Its a pleasure to listen his sound magic.
  In sound awareness, IR is a kid comparing to
  ARR.
  
  
• From: Venkat (@ blr-is-proxy1.blr.novell.com) on: Thu Jun 8 10:05:14 EDT 2000
  
  Let me just quote IR from a DD interview he gave when he was in the peak of his career. When asked what it takes to be a top music director, he baffled the interviewer by saying : "If you know to cheat people, you can become the top music director"!
  
  No more comments.
  
  
• From: Sudhakar G (@ ckcfpxy1.att.com) on: Thu Jun 8 11:45:58 EDT 2000
  
  sg:
  
  IR is strong in tunes & not in orchestration
  
  Not sure if you understand the meaning of the word "orchestration".
  
  his orchestration is very simple, everyone can do that, if they listen to 4 or 5 films.
  
  !!!! We all should be composing for films now if that is true.
  
  IR is a kid comparing to ARR
  
  Please grow up before commenting on others.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Thu Jun 8 12:20:42 EDT 2000
  
  One of the biggest virtues which is taught to us over generations is the concept of modesty. adakkam amararuL uyikkum....way of life. Unfortunately, in today's world where taunting, trash talk, and boasting gets top $$ and tv endorsements, modesty is almost becoming a liability. Add to this, the quirky way modesty is practiced by many Indian artists/sportsmen/scholars etc. - 99% of the time it is false modesty. Irrespective of the intention of the originator, statements of modesty are, in todays world, almost always misrepresented. IR's quote of "Music ngaradhEy EmaaththuvElai" and his simple explanation of his work being, after all, a 'playing around' with the saptha swaras is one of the most misinterpreted quotes. His statement, IMO, represnts purely modesty - maybe genuine, maybe falsejust to get the appreciation of his fans as "evvalavu vishayam therinjaalum, enna adakkam paaththiyaa" types. I don't care either way. When I listen to IR, I am not thinking about his character/personality/virtues - positive or negative. I almost think modesty (as it is overblown) is a curse of our system. Let IR try to be modest in 'oversimplifying' his/anybody's musical talents. Anybody who genuinely believes that DOES NOT KNOW MUSIC & DOES NOT KNOW IR'S MUSIC!!
  
  
• From: S (@ wwwgate2.motorola.com) on: Thu Jun 8 12:26:33 EDT 2000
  
  >>
  
  IR is strong in tunes & not in orchestration,
  his orchestration is very simple, everyone can do
  that, if they listen to 4 or 5 films.
  But ARR's orchestration is somewhat unexpectable. <<
  
  sg dude,
  eppO pANdimadathilEndhu 'escape' Aninga ???
  
  

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