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Topic started by Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on Sun May 13 19:02:00 EDT 2001.
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Hey guys

I want to know what you think about Laxmikant Pyarelal and R.D. Burman. How do you like their music and their style and how would you compare them to Illyaraja and A.R. Rahman.

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• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue May 15 23:21:22 EDT 2001
  
  In a recent interview, ARR said, what is the difference between South and North. He said, in the South, they like good melodies..North they like anything that is SIMPLE. I cannot believe he said that, but surely ARR knows how to say things nicely :) even when he is saying something bad :)
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Wed May 16 00:41:33 EDT 2001
  
  Kiru...I heard that he said in the south they like it more classical and in the north they like it simple....actually its true..if people like AM, LP and todays HFMD's can get away with mediocre stuff..it's bcos the northies taste are more simple (anything will do as long as it is hummable and exciting)...I had this arguement with a Tamil colleague of mine who had spent most of her time in the north...when I snorted at the quality of Hindi films and their music..she argued that bcos there it is considered only as a time pass and fun and is not seriously taken as art as in the south...but still I desisted saying that this showed that they had a crappy taste...
  
  Yesterday I was seeing Sahara Channel, there was a program with kids and the compere asked them to choose the Top No. 1, the songs were "Kambakht Ishq" and "Mitwa" and the kids choose the former...catchiness is the order of the day...the slick video of KI has also ensured it's top spot....(BTW do you think KI had more of Sukhwindara's inputs than Sandeep's genius ?)
  
  
• From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162) on: Wed May 16 03:03:34 EDT 2001
  
  hi
  
  THough I am a tamilian, i lived in the north and grew up with Hindi film music since my childhood.
  Later I started listening to IR and others in TFM, and now of course, ARR.
  
  I agree that in the north they like Simple tunes,but i would like to tell that making a simple and catchy tune is not that easy everytime. I agree with IMF that LP, RDB were good MDs, but certainly we cannot say that they were the best, bcos compositions of Naushad, SJ, MM , SDB etc.( I can go on mentioning others too...)can never be ignored. If SJ was popular, it is not simply, but their BGMs , Orchestration etc. were outstanding. SDB didnt use many instruments but used the existing to the very best. One cannot compare any of these MDs with one another, bcos Certainly, each of these MDs had their own style.
  
  LP had their share of innovations(to like or not to like is personal taste) . They had shade of SJ in Raj Kapoor's films bcos he wanted that. Listen to Dosti of LP, which at that time was a new style.
  
  Down south, IR is a genius,when it comes to composing, but bcos he didnt have appeal in the north, doesnt mean that he is not good. His style didnt appeal to the north. ARR has that universal appeal, but his western BGMs may not be as original as IRs .
  
  Every good MD has his share of good and bad music, and personal opinions always rule, but please continue this discussion in this constructive way.
  
  i was seeing another discussion forum about ARR is the Most Worst. It is just a waste of words, like simply blaming one another with the stupidest of words.
  
  this forum till now is healthy , so let's continue that way. Let's talk about music and MD, but respect personal opinion. If u want to oppose views, give instance as IMF and BM have done here, not simply try to degrade the other.
  
  cheers
  Satsona
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 206.47.240.86) on: Wed May 16 13:05:48 EDT 2001
  
  Hello all,
  
  What i meant once again was that Lata and Rafi have sung the most number of songs of LP's because LP were good music directors and were at the top that is why they used these two legends alot. If their quality was not good then i don't think these two would have sung many songs for them. It's logical. That's all. Ofcourse if a singer sings alot for any MD it doesn't mean they are a good MD. I was just saying because LP were really good, and Lata and Rafi sung many gems for them. That's all. Let's close that discussion now !!.
  
  Satsona is right when she says you can not ignore the other MD's. I am not ignoring them i am just saying that LP had a huge sustained innings and went on to dominate HFM for a long time. SJ were also kings before them and i also love their music from their orchestral style to their arrangements. SDB, MM, RDB and Naushad were all geniuses. I rate them all high and i love them all along with LP. They are the ones that defined HFM to the extent with their beautiful music. Illyaraja, MSV and ARR are all very good as well and defined music in the South. Also i herad that ARR interview and he said the north likes simple music whereas the south likes more classical. Everyone likes simple catchy melodies as well as classical music and both the north and south have good classical bases as well as good music.
  
  Let's keep this discussion going on . It is great to share views !!
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Wed May 16 13:13:32 EDT 2001
  
  i am just saying that LP had a huge sustained innings and went on to
  dominate HFM for a long time. if that's all what u are saying and if u are NOT comparing LP with IR, i see no reason why this discussion should go ahead in this forum. whether LP is better than other MDs in HFM or who is the best in HFM or why lata and rafi sang more($$$$:O) songs for LP etc.. is out of scope of this forum.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed May 16 13:17:00 EDT 2001
  
  Yup! I agree with Haris
  
  
• From: GR (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Wed May 16 14:32:00 EDT 2001
  
  Exactly my point too
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Wed May 16 15:51:28 EDT 2001
  
  I am saying that LP had a huge innings as well as comparing their music to different MD's. The past posts by others have also been talking about various other MD's as well. That is what makes it interesting. Can you guys give me your opinion on MD's and their styles and what you like about them. Both from south and north !!
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Wed May 16 17:00:48 EDT 2001
  
  I also want to talk about RDB. IMO he was the person to bring out pop-based and westernized numbers into Indian Music in general. He was a "phenomenon" in the words of Salil C. and he set a new trend for Indian Music. What MD's are doing now, he did 25 years ago. I read once that Illyaraja and SPB used to go to this restaurant in Chennai and there they would be playing RDB numbers and they used to sit and listen to them. He is the idol of Illyaraja as well. I know many Tamil folks love him and basically the whole of India loves him and his music. His innovativeness was brilliant and his arrangements were out of this world. He was equally good at composing classical, folk, indian-based songs. He also fought one of the famous battles with Lp in the seventies. I want to know what you guys think of him and his style and how he compares to LP and Illyaraja since we are talking about music here. It will be interesting.!!
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed May 16 18:13:07 EDT 2001
  
  Take LP out and it will be interesting.
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Wed May 16 18:44:50 EDT 2001
  
  What do you mean take LP out. They were one of the most successful MD's ever. It is already interesting with these three.!!. Now let's discuss !!
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Wed May 16 19:49:49 EDT 2001
  
  i dont know how to make u understand... Now IMF, what's there to discuss? IR is a far-far better composer, tune maker, orchestrator, rhythm creator, musician than LP. His music has THE depth. THE variety. THE class. His speed is amazing. His creativity is mind-boggling. Pages and Pages have been written about each of the above aspects and they are available all over the net. He has successfully catered to tastes of audiences of all the 4 south-indian states. And the quality of music he has given to HFM equals what he has given down south. Why IR dint' continue in HFM has been well discussed (let alone the conclusion!!) Comparing IR and LP is in the line of comparing sun and torch light. ( trust me. I agree that LP are good MDs.) period. There can be NO argument on this ground.
  
  And LP are one of the good MDs of HFM.
  
  Now, give the topic and lets' discuss.
  
  
• From: Manmohan Singh (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Wed May 16 20:00:55 EDT 2001
  
  IMF :
  
  How do you measure success?
  
  
• From: KSS (@ 12.31.202.4) on: Wed May 16 22:30:56 EDT 2001
  
  Kiru,
  
  Actually ARRs exact words were
  
  "They like classical music a lot in the South. In the North...I think the current trend is to be simplistic."
  
  I guess Rahman was pointing to the current trend alone and not to HFM of the past.
  
  
• From: krk (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Thu May 17 01:15:39 EDT 2001
  
  Indian Music Fan,
  "I read once that Illyaraja and SPB used to go to this
  restaurant in Chennai and there they would be playing RDB numbers and they used to sit and listen to them. He
  is the idol of Illyaraja as well."
  
  It's true, this happened when IR was looking for
  a chance, and this was said by SPB in an interview.
  In the same interview SPB also said that RDB
  became a big time fan of IR later when IR became
  a MD.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 212.153.190.3) on: Thu May 17 08:04:30 EDT 2001
  
  When ARR said "simple" he has only reflected the current style of HFM and its idiotic to
  genarilize that to all periods.
  If u extend that to old HFM then either u havent listened to old H music or ur biased.
  
  Agreed IR is a genius(understatement) but you people carry it too far when u say he is better than SD,Salil,MM,RD
  etc.
  These people have created far complex and better music than IR. Infact IR has been inspired by some of these old MDs (SPB interview).
  [[Injii idupazaga is ins from SD.]]
  The ultimate quality of singers (Rafi,Lata ,etc ) may be one ofthe determining factors.
  They could sing anything composed however complex.There are in fact some styles of those MD which have not been used in
  the south at all (I am not implying that they are needed though).
  I dont want to list songs here just to prove a point but u take most of Lata's old songs (most MDs included automatically) and u
  will find it hard to match anything as complex in tamil.CHECK IT OUT.
  
  And yes, Please dont find exceptions bcos everyone can.
  
  If u say MadanMohan or SD etc have created simple music then "simple" must be having a different meaning in ur diction.
  U cant just go overboard saying the taste is crappy and such things.
  This extent of craze with music in TFM has started with only IR. When someone says music is a timepass in north that somebody is "crap".
  And please dont give such instances like "Yesterday I was seeing Sahara Channel, there was a program with kids and the compere
  asked them to choose the Top No. 1, the songs were "Kambakht Ishq" and "Mitwa" and the kids choose the
  formersome kids in Sahara channel" and then genarilaze it.
  That way i can advice u to watch saregama in Zee t.v and compare the quality od singers there with any of the south
  indian shows which copy that. They are crap in comparison to Saregama.
  Please dont get back on the assumption that i dont know TFM.
  Learn to appriciate all good music. U cant do that without listening to them.
  
  bye
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Thu May 17 10:37:11 EDT 2001
  
  All fine, old HFM was great. What was not there in TFM during 50 and 60s? We had 'mulai malar mele', 'Erikarain mele', 'Madhavi pon mayilal', 'Nan pesa ninaipathelam', 'Nenjam marapathilai', 'Ninaika therinda maname' just for few examples. I too old HFM from friends CDs, but honestly dont find old TFM anyway inferior to HFM.
  
  Only thing is volume of songs were less, may be bcoz of less movies. HFM had artists from marathi, bengali etc. TFM had only tamils and few telugu contributions.
  
  Moreover we still have hits from 40s and 30s too. I dont know, how many songs from those ages are remembered in HFM. Apart from few black marks of copying from HFM, old TFM was a golden era that was never named.
  
  HF from the ages of raj kapoor, turned in to mostly social movies. TF had mythological/historical/light political propaganda movies till late 60s. They generated even wide variety of songs. Check out songs from parthiban kanavu, karnan etc. There were like 'Nan anaiyital ..', 'Acham enbhadhu..' which are even part of tamil history.
  (Please dont come back at me quoting some exceptions, I am talking about general trend).
  
  May be because there was good music all over the time from one age taking over the other we have forgotten the old legacy. Old TFM buffs, what do you think? Is old TFM any way worse?.
  
  

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