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Topic started by Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on Sun May 13 19:02:00 EDT 2001.
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Hey guys

I want to know what you think about Laxmikant Pyarelal and R.D. Burman. How do you like their music and their style and how would you compare them to Illyaraja and A.R. Rahman.

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• From: bm (@ 152.163.201.206) on: Tue May 15 18:34:40 EDT 2001
  
  imho ,
  IMF..growth in hfm sounds pretty oxymoronic..what aspect of hfm do u call growth after the days of SDB (and RDB to some extent )?..dont get at me with the standard refrain " have you listened to LP'S music.".etc..i grew up in delhi and have listened to a lot of LP and others...IF u want to brand any hfm as a great composer be it on the basis of simplicity, versatility or plain melody it would be SDB - the others arent up there really .madan mohan was the master of the ghazal/geet/slow numbers format and his compositions were complex vis a vis singing.but in orchestration and other aspects he was nt where SDB was ..SDB'S son was a great talent ..he was quite experimentative and pretty much versatile..but comparing either to IR is useless.Lp had their limitations and werent masters of composing trendy /fast numbers and werent too comfortable experimenting ( RDB was better in both these aspects )so all LP did were sticking to their style till the end of L . and what thirty years are u talking about . mid sixties to mid nineties..? u must be joking ..eighties were the biggest downfall in terms of music in hfm what with the mushrooming of bappi lahiris and other such jokers ..Lp were having sort of ordinary hits (karz, karma and likes were atmost mediocre.. ) they ruled becuase the rest were worse..
  
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue May 15 18:43:28 EDT 2001
  
  I second bm. He is absolutely right. Creativity stopped after RDB (I love him and I know many of TFM folks do). You listen to BGMs of all other movies, you will hear the same music that u hear in Ramayan TV Serial.
  BGMs since RDB suck big time, thats it period.
  
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Tue May 15 20:10:08 EDT 2001
  
  What are you talking about bm ??. First of all LP brought back melody into HFM in the late eighties and took out the disco crap of BL. And they ruled when there was competition. Are you trying to say that the rest such as RDB or KA or Madan Mohan, SDB were the worst when LP ruled. Now you must be out of your mind !!. They ruled when there was competion at it's best. They dethroned SJ the reigning kings a feat no one had done or could do before them. Madan Mohan was a master composer who never got his due. He was a classy composer fit for the classes. Why do u think Illyaraja looks up to him as one of his idols. His compositions were more better in my opinion than SDB. SDB was no doubt a great composer who gave many gems and who changed with the times, and singers did reach their technical best under him but he cannot match Madan Mohan when it comes to arrangement and versatality. Madan Mohan's scores still sound fresh today after all those years. SDB even complemented MM saying that he couldn't have done half of what MM did in the movie Heer Ranjha.
  
  RDB was also a great composer, one of the best Indian Music has seen and probably the most innovative and also another idol of Illyaraja. He set a new trend of fast rock'n roll and pop numbers and what MD's are doing now, he did 25 years ago. His music was different form other Indian composers and he took western adaptations and made them Indian. He even rated LP high among his contemporaries.
  
  You said LP weren't good at composing fast paced numbers. How can you say this ??. Listen to all their scores of jazz, pop films such as Karz (which won an award), Sargam which was a beauty as well as their fast paced albums in the late sixties such as Farz, Night In London etc. LP experimented with different scores in the eighties when they were at the top. They had lots of variety in their music. Their orchestral arrangement was behyond excellence (grand orchestra and very good instrumental arrangements) and their simple melodies were catchy and mass appealing. YES they did rule from the late sixties to the early nineties because of their quality. Why do you think they charged twice as much as their nearest competitor which was RDB in the seventies. Why do you think they won 4 straight awards from 77-80 for their music.
  Ahem !!!. RDB was also there at that time as were others. LP could do jazz, folk, classical, pop, rock'n roll , pure indian, western any kind of music. They were very versatile which made them surprass any challenge for three long decades. And their style wasn't the same. Their style of simple melodies took them to the top and their compositions were varied and different. If you say they are the same then you haven't heard a lot of them. They reached their peak due to their variety of music or else RDB and others would have taken them over. This is a fact !!. No one could bring them down once they were at the top.
  
  They never were labelled any kind of composers like RDB was for western-type numbers. Their music was pure Indian mixed with western and other touches. They were probably the most popular music directors of their time. Why do you think Lata and Rafi have sung most of their songs
  for them. Is it because they just wanted to pass time ??. Think about it ??. They are the MD's which probably had the most number of hits throughout their career and i can back that up if you want, which is unmatched by any MD to this date. You an ask anyone about that ??. If SDB was so good, he would have been the king over SJ or LP or even his own son for that matter. This may be your opinion but the facts are laid out in front of you. Either you do not know music or you are just joking. Tell me one thing ?. what do you not find in LP's compositions that other MD's have. I will give you things that LP have which all MD's have and which some MD's don't have either ??. There will never be another LP again ??.
  This is an interesting discussion. Let's not make it a war because we are here to make others listen to our opinions and share our views and to make others learn and be aware of other aspects of music !!.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue May 15 20:27:43 EDT 2001
  
  Someone here is related to L or P...
  
  
• From: GR (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Tue May 15 20:27:58 EDT 2001
  
  IMF
  
  Ayyayoo.
  
  BB engapoyiteenga - illata intha northies pakkam pakkama ezhuthiyae konnudvaanga.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue May 15 20:31:20 EDT 2001
  
  Some facts don't impress me. Like Lallo becoming CM, or LP staying at the top because they were the best.
  
  
• From: bm (@ 64.12.103.43) on: Tue May 15 21:45:04 EDT 2001
  
  IMF...the topic of discussion was hfm and growth..anyway for the last time let me remind you..this is a forum to discuss tamil film music and i am entitled to my humble opinion as you are to ur not soHO..
  anyway..when u say lata and rafi sang for LP more than they did for others...what are u talking about..do they sing at their will or what..? the MDS made them sing . they wanted to exist in the market place - they would have sung for anybody..pls dont bring in the singer aspect here..no great singer is greater than the composer..( this has been discussed for several weeks ina difft thread )if any xyz singer doesnt sing for a particular MD i think the loss is to the singer himself/herself and not ot the MD...do u mean to say that asha's numbers for op nayyar are any less or the period in which lata didnt sing for SDB his compositions grew any lesser ..? Lp, as you put it didnt "rule"..they co existed well in a market place filled with different stalwarts like MM and SJ..i would certainly not agree that hfm was a one md terrain ...sdb was his creative best till the very end..( i wont rate abhiman and amar prem lesser than any LP's composition any day )
  
  Re::what do you not find in LP's compositions that other MD's have. I will give you things that LP have which all MD's have and which some MD's don't have either ?...well...the corollory is equally true aint it...
  
  before i get kicked out of this forum let me say i am done with this topic...lets discuss tfm here..
  
  
• From: bb (@ 216.217.80.201) on: Tue May 15 21:46:55 EDT 2001
  
  GR, i think this can turn out to be a good discussion.
  i personally think IR is much better, given my hatred towards the introduction of dOlak in a big way by LP. i am not sure that LP were very inventive or have given many films with all great songs (bobby?). also, i read somewhere that LP's music resembled SJ's to a large extent. i am not very familiar with hindi music, so i might be wrong.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue May 15 22:28:11 EDT 2001
  
  "Either you do not know music or you are just joking" - I wonder how people can make assumptions. There is something called difference of opinion and absolute stupidity. This falls into the latter category.
  LP is great for achieving something that we all agree. People in TFM listened to old hindi numbers with lots of appreciation, because there was plenty of variety. But after RDB, there is absolutely no change in music. There were a few MDs that started out ok, but finally started copying maybe because of pressure from producers. TFM is different.
  IR didn't stay in Hindi Film world because he chose not to. It was not his intention to please the whole of india. He was satisfied from the little appreciation he got from serious listeners. When someone is brilliant, there comes a time when he stops thinking about the mass, and composes to please his own heart. IR belongs to that category.
  
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Tue May 15 22:41:03 EDT 2001
  
  Yes that is true that all singers want to sing in a market filled place and be saleable and the MD does choose the singers. But what i meant was that Lata and Rafi have sung the most songs for LP. I did not say that they had sung more songs for them than other Md's but for LP the singers who sung the most songs for them were these two legends. What i meant was that since LP were very good, Rafi and Lata sang the most # of songs for them. If they weren't that good then i don't think they would have had Lata or Rafi sing many songs for them. That's all i was saying. Also they brought in the idea of the dholak which was a good invention. And they were creative. Not only for Bobby but for a huge list of movies. Why don't you guys listen or read up on them on the Net. Also LP did pretty much top the markets most of the time and i want to know the reasons why you guys don't rate LP highly ??. Is it a curse or something ??.
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Tue May 15 22:47:32 EDT 2001
  
  I do agree with Swamiji that after RDB there is not that much good music. I didn't say that HFM was really good nowadays anyways. I said that LP and RDB and the past MD's are the best forever.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Tue May 15 22:59:50 EDT 2001
  
  IMF, as u say , latha and rafi may have sung most of their songs with LP. may be true. but , so what? that doesnt' say anything to me about the greatness of L or P. that doesnt qualify to be a scale to measure a MDs greatness. SPB, janaki and chitra have sung many songs for Deva. does that mean Deva is a great MD? If u are not aware of Deva, then Deva is like Anu Malik and likes for small us. ( copycat!). Its not that we dont rate LP high as a good MD. But topic wouldnt' have grown for 2 pages if only u hadnt' compared LP with IR.
  malaikkum, maduvukkum ulla vithiyAsatha yAravadhu avanga bAshaila eduthu chollungappA!!
  
  

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