Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
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I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)
"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."
Wow! Beautiful voice!
Neel's VJ Songs
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- From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67)
on: Thu Jul 25 04:06:39 EDT 2002
Saravanan,
"Thirai isai pettagam "enru peyar koodukalam ungallukku. So much of details.
re your querries
Paada pujai? was a bhim singh movie & you are right about the star cast ( podihai paarpavargal can check the MD. I have a feeling it was the carnatic duo Jaya -Vijaya . It is a gut feeling. Talking of which L vaithyanathan of the violin trio gave music for one CV rajendran movie which had a songby SPB" Poonthenil chinna chinna kaal eduthu vaa" enne padamathu mandayil oru kuadaicchal.
10 Is it V kumar? the latha no.
11.yes the music was by Chittibabu. it won the national award for best movie in Tamil . Other such made for award movies include agraharathil kazhudai, daagam ( which had good songs by Salil Chaudhary?!- vaanam namadhu thandai, urugidum vellayilum nalla oli tharum & thani oru manithanukku (barathiyaar song) dikara parvathi was a propaganda story written by rajaji espousing the cause of prohibition.i have not seen it even in DD.
- From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.245)
on: Thu Jul 25 04:15:08 EDT 2002
Continuing 1974:
11. Anbu Meghamey- Engamma Sabatham- SPB- VB
Vijaya Bhaskar had made every one sit up with his grand re-entry into tfm with his score for'Kalyanamaam kalyanam'.(The TMS-SJ 'Ilmamai naatiya saalai' is a classic) VJ didn't have any songs in it. However after this, she sang in almost all VB's films. Indded she was his 'Assthaana Paadagi'and this combination invariably struck gold.
Anbu meghamey (Duets 2, page 1 in Neel's site)is
a lovely duet-almost has an ethereal air about it. VJ's lines 'Kaanatha thunai kaana vandhathu iravu, kaiyodu kai serkka vandhathu unravu' and 'Kalyaana sorgathin radham vandhathu, kaneril nee sonna kathai vandhathu' are spellbinding.
The picturisation was a big let down, though. I have been hearing this song for ever so long, but only recently, the last time I went to India, I got to see it, on one of the channels.
I found that Panju arunachalam has remade his 'Engamma Sabatham' as 'Vanaja Girija' almost 20 years later! (He had done the same thing before too, remade his own 'Hello Partner'(1972) as 'Ellam Inba mayam' (1981).
Vidhubala and Jayachitra are sisters, whose mother has a score to settle with the father of Muthuraman and Sivakumar. Hence these two try to trap the brothers into marrying them. Jayachitra pretends that she is gets memories of her previous birth or something like that, in order to attract Sivakumar. She then walks in the night, as though in a trance, and Sivakumar follows her, and they sing this song.
12.Vaa ilamai azhaikkinrathu-Engamma sabatham-TMS,PS,SPB- VB
TMS-PS for Muthu-Vidhubala and SPB-VJ for Siva-Jayachitra. VB must be complimented for one aspect- All the 4 singers get exactly equal number of lines- no partiality here!
The songs starts with the TMS-PS pair, with VJ coming in the first saranam- her lines:
Malarum idhazhgal kulira kulira,
mayangum uravu valara valara.
4 great singers, making it a memorable song.
13. Enna maharani- Ungal Viruppam- SPB-VB
A good comedy film. Jaishankar and Jayachitra, with a number of comedy actors as well. The other duet'Manjal poosi', by Kovai Soundararajan and LR Anjali was a bigger hit.
This song (Duets 2 page 1 in Neel's site) goes like this:
SPB: Enna maharani, azhagu, azhagu, azhagu
innum sila neram pazhagu pazhagu pazhagu
VJ:mun pin ariyaatha uravu uravu uravu
moha mani neram ithu oru pudhu kathai--
14. Unakku naan sondham- Unnai thaan thambi- SPB & co-VB.
Can anyone help with the starcast of this film?
Of course, the more popular song from it was the SPB-Vasantha number' Manivilakke maanthalire'.
This song, (Duets 2 page 3 in Neel's site) apparently is when the heroine plays with some kids. She blindfolds herself and tries to catch them -, when (who else?) the hero suddenly appears and she lays her hands on him, by mistake, of course!
Starts off like this:
Unakku naan sondham
enakku nee sondham
pirikka yaar undu,
anaithu kollungal
olindhu maraindhaal
valaithu pidippen
Then VJ asks the kids 'Varalaama' to which they first reply 'Vendaam' and then say'varalaam'--
I think that covers 1974. Can any one think any more VJ songs from this year? Please come forth.
We'll next see 1975, which was a very important year for VJ as the highest laurels came her way.
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.166)
on: Thu Jul 25 04:27:18 EDT 2002
Balaji, I'm glad we've met here. I passed out of our alma mater in 1988. We must have surely seen each other some time in school.
Neel- thanks a lot for the latest songs. 'Maalai malar pandhalitta' has VJ singing only swarams,I think. Great song.
Priya/Naaz- Nenjamellam Neeye has 2 more songs:
Vayasupponnu thaniye ninnu (PJ-VJ)
Oru thaamarai mottu(SPB-VJ)
Vengayam, thanks a lot for the clarifications.
BTW, Dhaagam had music by the great MB Srinivasan.
Did you know that Chittibabu had earlier played the veenai for Sridhar's 'Kalai kovil', which was the story of a Veenai vidwaan?
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.171)
on: Thu Jul 25 05:11:42 EDT 2002
Vengayam, is the SPB song from 'Lottery Ticket'(1982)?
This Mohan, Suhasini and Prabhu starrer was perhaps directed by CV Rajendran. L Vaidyanathan called himself as Vaidilakshmanan for this film, I wonder why?
Of course, the other films for which LV was the MD were 'Ezhaavathu manithan'(also 1982) and 'Kavithai paada neramillai' (1987). He was also the MD for 'Pesum padam'/Pushpak (also 1987), though they were no songs in this.
- From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.225)
on: Thu Jul 25 05:28:34 EDT 2002
MD for Paatha Poojai was Jaya-Vijaya. I remember it well.
- From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67)
on: Thu Jul 25 06:22:34 EDT 2002
Saravanan,
good try about lottery ticket but this is a b& w movie so it should be prior 79.I am not sure but may be it starred Muthuramanand/or Sivakumar.
Yes you are right about MBS. But you can forgive me for my slip both -MBS & Salil Choudhary had their choir style compositions. But I will salute MBS for that superb no - thennam keetrin unjalile sung with absolute perfection by my PBS!( & SJ)
- From: A.V.R. (@ 143.127.3.10)
on: Thu Jul 25 07:18:19 EDT 2002
vengayam:
werent you the guy who had wanted to have a discussion with me about Salil Chadharu offline?
Here goes....my email id here.
- From: A.V.R. (@ 143.127.3.10)
on: Thu Jul 25 07:19:45 EDT 2002
oops thats to be spelt as Salil Chaudhary.
- From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219)
on: Thu Jul 25 07:44:59 EDT 2002
If I remember right, 'Paadha Poojai' by Jaya-Vijaya had a beautiful song in Anandhabhairavi:
"Sugam Sugam idhu, naan suvaithu rasippathu......
Manavarai alangaram kalaiyatha munne, malar manjappalliyil vilaiyadu kanne and so on.,"
(TMS-Vani Jayaram)
- From: siva (@ 63.170.144.101)
on: Thu Jul 25 09:06:37 EDT 2002
There is a SPB-VJ song in the movie Janani
It goes "Konjum malar manjam adhil thanjam iru nenjam" ( A movie by Netaji)
There are couple of Vj songs in Unnai Nan Sandhiththen
1) Unai Kanum neram nenjam
2) hey I love you
All are good songs
- From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253)
on: Thu Jul 25 10:21:18 EDT 2002
Saravanan,
I think the stars in the movie "Unakku naan sondham" were Jayachitra & either Jaishankar or Sivakumar. I remember seeing the movie. They play "kannamucchhi" for that song. (But for a long time I thought that song "unnakku naan sondam" was from the movie "onnae onnu kannae kannu". Am I getting confused here????)
- From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253)
on: Thu Jul 25 10:23:25 EDT 2002
Yes Saravanan. You were right about "Vayasupponnu thaniye ninnu sirippadhenna rasippadhenna" song. I remember hearing it often on radio. That was the song picturized on Mohan & Poornima Bhakyaraj right?
- From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253)
on: Thu Jul 25 13:08:41 EDT 2002
I have a question.
Who sang the song "Yethanai malargal...pattampucchi" song along with TMS? Was it VJ? I forgot the name of the movie..It had Jayachitra and Kamal in it. It is a "azhumunji" song
- From: naaz (@ 24.76.127.63)
on: Thu Jul 25 13:40:36 EDT 2002
Priya -
The azhumoonji song was by SJ. Wasn't the movie called Pattampoochchi?
Was it the same film with the song "Sarkarai Pandhalil Thaen Mazhai Pozhiyudhu..." That Jayachitra, I tell you, she had like 30 films in one year it seemed at times!
- From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253)
on: Thu Jul 25 14:39:12 EDT 2002
Thanks Naaz. I thougth that song was by VJ. (That song really sounds depressing...). Oh is the name of the movie pattampoochchi as well? I was not sure if it was sathiyam or something like that.
- From: naaz (@ 24.76.127.63)
on: Thu Jul 25 16:10:43 EDT 2002
Didn't Sathiyam have Sivaji in it as well? I know it was a big flop. But don't take my word for it, I think the song was from Pattampoochchi, but given how my memory is going these days....I wouldn't trust it myself! :-)
- From: Neel D (@ 24.98.42.169)
on: Thu Jul 25 22:56:09 EDT 2002
I bought Pattaampoochi album hoping that it would have VJ songs. But there wasn't any. It is not a bad album though.
Saravanan, thanks for mentioning those duets from NN. I remember I have "oru thaamarai mottu" somewhere, but don't know where. Visit the website for "nAn solla vanthEn".
Three duets with SPB and three duets with TMS have been uploaded. Happy listening!
- From: AVR (@ 143.127.3.10)
on: Fri Jul 26 03:41:54 EDT 2002
Guys:
DIGRESSION
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Just read an interesting article on Geetagovindam...I am sure most people here know about it, but nevertheless here is a neat writeup. of course there are many more detailed critiques available on the net.
http://ignca.nic.in/gita.htm#About
About Gita Govinda
Jayadevva, the twelfth century poet, was a contemporary of several other poets in the court of Lakshmana Sena of Bengal, and even at a young age he attained fame for skill in composing verses in Sanskrit with apt words, as per his own statement in the introductory verses to Gitagovinda. He further says there that his mind has been made the residence of Goddess of Learning and he was the king who made the feet of Padamavati dance to his tunes and beats. The legend goes that Padmavati was the temple dancer at the Puri Jagannath temple and Jayadeva married her and settled down there to serve the Lord and Padmavati simultaneously. This tradition of Devadasi Dance is being continued at Lord Jagannath Temple to this day. This aspect also is discernible in his introductory verse wherein he says that those interested in Hari smarana and those finding pleasure in love sports may read his Gitagovinda kayva.
The Gitagovinda kayva is a lyrical poem, dramatizing the love sports of Krishna and Radha on the surface and conveying simultaneously the deep ethos of devotion of the individual soul, its pining for God realization and finally attaining the consummation in service of God. This Bhava is similar in both god realization and eroticism and the cloak fits in well.
Since the Gitagovinda was composed specifically for dance performance during the night worship of Lord Jagannatha, the composition is so deftly made as to be sung to the beats of a dancer's foot movements. The author himself at the end of the Kavya again states this fact, where he again emphasizes that the poem was intended to the Kavya again states this fact, where he again emphasizes that the poem intended to be a prop for meditation on Vishnu and it is clothed in Srngara rasa by the kavi Jayadeva pandita immersed in the contemplation of Krishna. The poem became so popular that within a century or so, it spread to all corners of the country from east to south, west and north and was adapted to dance, music, painting and temple worship.
The Gitagovinda consist of twelve chapter, further divided into twenty-four songs. Each song consists of eight couplets, it is called Ashtapadi. Chapter one and chapter two, four five and twelve contain two ashtapadi each; chapters three, six, eight, nine and ten contain only one ashtapadi each. Thus there are twenty-four ashtapadis. These ashtapadis can be set to music in different melodious ragas, which were appreciated and followed by the poets later period. On which more than hundred commentaries has been written in Sanskrit and over fifty more than hundred commentaries have been written in Sanskrit and over fifty in regional languages in India also in many foreign languages.
In this multimedia production, a limited verses were chosen and discussed from literary point of view are shown as applied in music and dance and their renderings in temples, depicting of Madhura bhava of devotion and how an adept poet can adopt profane ideas to profound height of devotion.
The first song has four introductory verses, followed by eleven ashtapadi that describe the purpose of the ten avataras of Vishnu and at the end prostrations are offered for unhindered completion of the work. This is followed by another ashtapadi where the hero of the work is hailed. Here the author has indicated that this ashtapadi is Mangalam - benedictive verse.
In the third song the spring season is described with its multifarious features like pleasant smelling and cool winds, and sweet sounds of the bees and cuckoos been thinking of Krishna was being led by her maiden friend to these bowers where Krishna can be found. In this hope Radha follows her friend.
In the fourth song, the poet describes the delightful dance of love of Krishna with all gopis in the dark forest of Vrndavana. All the gopis surround him, embracing him with joy and caress him passionately and he praises them hugging one, kissing another passionately, glancing at another and smiling with other maiden in love. Jayadeva says that in reality, Krishna was bestowing bliss on everyone.
In the eleventh song, the poet describes the vipralambha srngara. Krishna the God of Love is waiting Radha on the bank of river Yamuna. The poet compares the embrace of Radha and Krishna with the lightning and the black cloud and with white crane and dark cloud.
In the twelfth song, the poet describes the pain and distress of Radha on the separation of impertinent Krishna. Seeing the condition of Radha sitting in her bower unable to move, filled by passion and setting her mind on Krishna all the time. The sakhi goes to Krishna to tell of the state of madness Radha, who sees him everywhere, before her mind's eye and she is alive just with the only memory of her lover. The sakhi request him to go quickly to meet Radha; who is waiting fully decked for the arrival of Krishna.
Here are some renditions of the Geetagovindam.
http://ignca.nic.in/vid_0001.htm
Very rcently there was an Odissi dance recital by Kelucharan Mahapatra and his son in my city. They performed many pieces from the Geetagovindam...accompanied by singing and pakhawaj. Kelucharan Mahapatra danced and accompanied each other on the pakhawaj alternately. Their pakhawaj recital was something to listen to!
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Saravanan:
Please continue tracing Vani's career path in the year 1975 and onwards. Thanks.
- From: AVR (@ 143.127.3.10)
on: Fri Jul 26 03:43:45 EDT 2002
Read the last few sentences as follows:
Kelucharan Mahapatra AND HIS SON danced and accompanied each other on the pakhawaj alternately. Their pakhawaj recital was something to listen to!
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