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Karthikeyan Nagarajan | April 24, 2004 11:12 IST
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When I heard that the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra had asked A R Rahman to conduct two live concerts in March this year, I was very happy and proud as an Indian and a Tamilian.
Earlier, I had felt proud in 1993 when Ilayaraja had recorded his first classical orchestral work with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra of London. I was executive producer of that project.
It was Ilayaraja's first full-fledged classical work and it was recorded under the baton of John Scott. Unfortunately, Ilayaraja has still not released that work.
Hence to know that another composer from our midst has come to the world music arena was thrilling news. Rarely do musicians from our part of the world get such an opportunity.
But it was a big fiasco.
Rahman's popular film songs were converted into orchestral scores to be played by a classical symphony orchestra. They proved to be pale shadows of his original songs. And the predominantly Indian crowd did not appreciate them much.
It was obvious that not much thought had gone into the score. The objective should have been to retain the original melodic flavour suited to a symphony orchestra without electronic instruments and vocals.
Greater disappointment was his total non-preparation for conducting on stage. I consider that highly irresponsible. If Rahman thought conducting a symphony orchestra in concert was similar to a studio session, the people who risked allowing him to do it should be blamed.
I am surprised he has not fully understood the importance of the role of a conductor in a classical symphony orchestra.
Conducting is one of the most important aspects in a classical orchestra's live performance. People like Zubin Mehta have not become legends for nothing. Zubin is one of those rare talents who will conduct even the most difficult and complex symphonies like Mahler's 8th Symphony -- called the Symphony of a Thousand because Mahler's original debut concert required nearly 1,000 performers-musicians and choral groups -- without once referring to the score. Every bar of music is conducted from his memory, with total control and confidence of the orchestra.
As someone who has spent a lot of time on the UK music circuit over the last few years, I assumed Rahman would have done his homework and prepared the music as well as for his new role as conductor of a live concert, that too with a top-notch orchestra like the CBSO.
Rahman should have reminded himself that he was going to wield the baton of Sir Simon Rattle, who became CBSO conductor at 25 (in 1980) and made it one of the best orchestras in the world.
As a BBC reviewer wrote, "I cannot help feeling cheated by the concert. Though the orchestra were highly organised, Rahman seemed slightly uninterested to be there. Audience reactions were also mixed. The audiences were given opportunity to ask him questions to which he often replied with one-word answers. Rahman did conduct the orchestra for a short period, but later sat back with the audience and watched another conduct his music."
As with anywhere else in the West, most orchestras are going through a difficult time with dwindling concert attendances and slow music sales. Add to this the problem of population remix among local patrons.
By 2020, for example, Birmingham is tipped to become the first black majority city in UK. Now, its population is a mix of Asians, Africans and Chinese apart from the native whites.
Hence, orchestras are ready to try anything to bring people into the concert halls. And collaborations with musicians from Asia, titled Classic Asia, are part of the mission.
For the 84 year-old CBSO, it must have been a momentous, difficult decision. They took it because their survival depends on their ability to chart new paths.
With his exposure to the UK music industry through his collaboration with Andrew Lloyd Webber, it was not a surprise that Rahman got the project.
But his botching it up is.
I believe Rahman has not been able to transcend the barrier where his own singing and others are vital for his musical pieces. Obviously, there is an inability to compose music free of the composer/performer. He seems to have attempted something for which he is not yet ready intellectually.
In the end it was totally disappointing.
Rahman's confession -- "I messed it up. Will come next time with much more preparation" -- does not redeem him at all.
Karthikeyan Nagarajan is a Chennai-based software technologist.
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- From: Thamizhan (@ 61.1.201.2)
on: Thu Apr 29 07:51:00 EDT 2004
//I think it is because he received more hype than what he actually deserved. His works (just 8 years from 92-2000) relied on his team and his talent, not by his talent alone. From 2000, his position has come down and now he gets what he deserves. Thanks to other mds SEL, HJ, YSR, VS etc. They prove a point!
//
I too really believe that IR's immense talent not getting its due recognition outside India is very unfortunate,but that doesn't when 'IR didn't,ARR shouldn't'...consciously or sub-consciosly you ppl have this logic..i guess..
Don't act like crabs....and do you think getting international recognition is like getting 'Kadalai urundai'..if ARR didn't deserve it he would not have got it..that's for sure.
And I dragged the topic of IR's ego only to counter the mindless(should i say endless loop mentioning ARR's passiveness at an interview).
Your posting is a just a rehash of what Ambleen was shouting all these days..
//talk about toor dhaal since they are more comfortable with dhaal than this taal issue.
//
are the statements which show the degree of 'Objectivity' you have,if you can't break away from your prejudice..remain with it..but expecting ppl to bow for such MINDLESS allegations is nothing but moronish...
Keep ur divine taste of music with you dears.....
We are silly humans and so are the ALW,Dirs like ManiRatnam,Shekar kapoor,Khaled mohd,those National award juries,conductors of 'LOTR musicals' etc...(I am repeating this again..but could not resist as ppl continue to ponder over the same thing)
- From: Thamizhan (@ 61.1.200.174)
on: Thu Apr 29 08:04:41 EDT 2004
Things became more clear when i went through the archives of this forum(this forum has the richest tradition of Cyber-space fights it seems)
i got that postings in another thread tracking plagiarisms..( i posted Ambleens and its reply from Karthick.S yesterday )
Ambleen had this mindset right from that Rendezvous i guess...
Simi garewell and Star World will feel guilty for organising such a show, as it has hurt a poor soul(vaera yaaru ambleen thaan).Ayoh paavam Simi will die because of her 'Manasaatchi'...
Ambleen varundhitaare..varundheetare..ayoh enna seivaen.....moanings of Simi.
Ippa Ambleen kku konjam santhosama irukkum.
But Star World should thank their good time..This Ambleen didn't ask them to shut down their channel..for the 'SIN' they have commited.
C~P,naan appapa ippadi serious ayiduraen..unga alavullu cool guy a irukka try panraen..Chennai veyil vida maatunguthu..:-))
- From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.19)
on: Thu Apr 29 08:57:17 EDT 2004
Thamizhan,
Naanum Madras dhaaney...niraya fuit juices saapidunga! :-)
Btw...Ambleen paththi ungalukku theriyaadhu. Simi Garewal Prince Charles-ku muththam kuduakkrthukku munnadiye ivaru anti-ARR dhaan! Niraya solli irukkaru - "In India, only IRs music has influenced me. Even MSV did not have any impact on me." Indha statement mattum marakkavae maataen! Adhu ofcourse avar opinion, irundhuttu pogattum...aana nammalukkum IR music mattum dhaan pidikkanumna eppadi? Aasai dosai appalam vadai-la?! :-)
- From: Jacky (@ 61.1.201.244)
on: Thu Apr 29 10:34:20 EDT 2004
Thamizan,
I don't think its a great idea to analyse the dogmas in such posts.
Vidunga, its not worth your time.
- From: Thamizhan (@ 61.1.200.230)
on: Thu Apr 29 12:33:58 EDT 2004
Yeah Jacky,I don't want to give any more thoughts on those stupid posts.
C~P,thanx for ur suggestion,now neraiya fruit juice stock is there in my refridgerator.Daily two ,three times juice paa.
I saw you in another thread too?,i was actually shocked when i saw the thread from outside,thought that this Ambleen would have started something sarcastically,but well there was a valuble link.Ambleen equation a angaiyum paste panniteengala?
This is high time our protagonists(Nattamai,namma hero Amb s) here jump on Time magazine for publishing it blah blah.
- From: Gyan (@ 4.158.114.199)
on: Thu Apr 29 14:00:48 EDT 2004
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1083180173756
Please see reference to Shakalaka Baby song: second-hand Britney spears number. I also say again, what is special about Shakalaka Baby number and it is marketed as the best number in the musical. yet not stormed the world music scene, unliek say a Saturday Night Fever song?
do u think Webber is having fun with Rahman' music. Broadway cut 6 songs, put 3 other songs instead, supposedly all Hindi songs of Rahman, nothin new. Webber is not producing Broadway show, but someone else are.
My request, you gotta do better than that for a world audience in your new musical, Lord Of The Rings. Live up to the faith of the fans. Less more shakalaka', more makanaka, please.
- From: Gyan (@ 4.158.114.199)
on: Thu Apr 29 14:04:15 EDT 2004
I mean: Rahaman Sir, less of Shakalaka, more of Makanaka or even Sakalaka Valli is ok.
- From: MADDY (@ 203.94.236.50)
on: Thu Apr 29 14:26:09 EDT 2004
see Mr.Gyan, i have seen Barry richards writing articles that Sachin Tendulkar is not at all a good batsman.....that doesent mean whole of Southafrica thinks so.....obviously the author of that article has a brain that cannot comprehend Indian sounds.....so dunt waste time in providing links for such articles....
- From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67)
on: Thu Apr 29 15:32:32 EDT 2004
MADDY and all,
Try to criticisms in the right spirit. No one is putting down ARR. All'GYAN' is requesting ARR is to come out better with the next one to please the fans who value him and cannot take any criticism. Is that wrong? Grow up,sir!
- From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6)
on: Thu Apr 29 16:53:53 EDT 2004
I dont think it is a personal vendatta against ARR, but if you spend a evening and lot of money to go to a show with some kind-a expectation, and it does not bear the fruits, it still hurts..
Actually I liked the song that was shown on AVS TV, dont know about the show
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