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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
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i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Sun Jul 9 00:13:41 EDT 2000
  
  eden, thanks for the interview transcripts. The news about deva-IR as related is news to me! sangeetha kudubamthoda relativea irundha sangeedham vandu vidaatu. Xeroxer deva should understand that.
  
  Instead of naming Beethoven, Mozart and calling his copying his act as "taking a cue to them", this Deva should come up with a list in all his albums.
  
  "For song no.1, I listened to this album, and took the tune and asked so-so to pen the lyrics in tamil, the interludes are from x,y,z albums, the beats towards the end of the song are from n album.". This 'd atleast make the task of us much easier - we neednt run around looking for originals!
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.184) on: Mon Jul 10 00:01:50 EDT 2000
  
  "listen to Beethoven, Mosart or some other musical genius" for all his so called `humility', Deva should have acknowledged IR rather than telling `some other':-(
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.243) on: Mon Jul 10 01:41:23 EDT 2000
  
  Bug: My source of info is newtfmpage titbits permanenet thread:
  
  Old responses
  
  From: IR_fan (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Apr 30 01:04:01 EDT 1999
  
  
  Well, someone asked in this thread why IR didnt attend Deva's daughter's wedding: Latest isue of Kungumam has GA saying that he was caught up in a train which arrived late in madras...apparently, he *went* to the bride's place and blessed them the verysame evening. So much for his ego, thimir and what not.
  
  The issue also carries a rebuttal of LReswari's charges by GA. The charge was that IR had claimed "My songs will be hit even if a donkey sings" when LRE refused to sing for him. It culminates with Anuradha Sriram calling LRE a senile, jobless desparate ***.
  
  Just FYI.
  
  
  
  From: Srinath (@ ss02.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Fri Apr 30 11:42:06 EDT 1999
  
  
  Raj:
  Can you post a translieration here ? I can't get to install divya.ttf in my machine...and of course, there are other reasons, which you know all too well :-))))
  
  
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Mon Jul 10 02:28:30 EDT 2000
  
  Bug,manix,
  
  pulveli is indeed a copy from maggie may by rod stewart. i have sent the file to newtfmpage admin.
  RR,bb hello? any updation to the copied page?
  
  actually the tune of the original song is quite differnt from pulveli. but at the end of the original there is a guitar piece which is exactly the prelude of pulveli thannil. and the tune of the song is easily developed from that prelude.
  
  
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.139.218) on: Mon Jul 10 08:11:54 EDT 2000
  
  vijay: i was waiting for you to send more songs. :) Anyway, you can access the latest list from the link on top.
  Post additions/corrections...
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ ws55.telsoft.net) on: Mon Jul 10 09:23:35 EDT 2000
  
  popular song 'jal jal enum salangai oli'from paasam has a line 'mudhal mudhalai thirudum kaaranathaal muzhusai thiruda marandhuvitten'(lyrics kannadasan)
  
  In 'unnudan' there is a song 'kandupidi ennai kandupidi' and Vairamuthu has used exactly the same line.
  
  
  
• From: shysun (@ 202.9.179.204) on: Mon Jul 10 10:03:23 EDT 2000
  
  dear vijay,this is shyaun ,good that you located the song magie may alias pulveli,please pass on the clip to www.muthamil.com they will expose this to the world.well done ,deva can ONLY copy.
  
  
• From: SHYSUN (@ 202.9.179.204) on: Mon Jul 10 10:11:08 EDT 2000
  
  DEAR BUG,MANIX,VIJAY,I CAN GIVE YOU THE INSPIRATION OF ALL MUSIC DIRECTORS IN TAMIL FILMS EXCEPT IR FOR ANY SONG YOU FEEL,BECAUSE I CAN SENSE THEM,EXAMPLE,KONJUM MAINAKKALAE IN KANDUKONDAIN,IS A SYNTHETIC VERSION OF "KUKUKOO KOO KOO KOOVUM KUILAKKA"BY IR FILM:VALLI,CHECK THIS OUT ,THE SITUATION AND TEMPO ARE ALL DITTO,AND ENDRENDRUM PUNNAGAI IN ALAIPAAYUTHEY IS A LIFT FROM ALBUM "NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK"HERE TOO ARR HAS USED SIMILAR SITUATIONS TO BE INSPIRED,NEWKIDSONTHEBLOCK WAS THEIR FIRST ALBUM ARR USED THE IDEA DITTO TO SUIT MADHAVAN THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK W.R.TO. TAMIL FILMS AND SO GOES THE STORY OF INSPIRATIONS,THODA THODA IN INDRA IS INSPIRED BY BUT SERIOUSLY-PHIL COLLINS AND SO ON ,DO ANYONE WANT TO DENY ME TRY TO,,,,
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon Jul 10 10:43:32 EDT 2000
  
  shysun:
  
  please do not use caps. thx.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 205.252.37.3) on: Mon Jul 10 11:23:42 EDT 2000
  
  "Poottukkal pottaalum
  Film: Chatriyan (Ilayaraja) My favorite things (Sound of Music) Inspired "
  
  "Thannanam thaananam thaalaththil adi" - a malayalam number from IR I think, not very sure. Not just inspired from "Favourite Things", but distinctly copied !
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ proxy2o.dpn.deere.com) on: Mon Jul 10 11:34:37 EDT 2000
  
  'Kanaamoochi Yenadaa' song from KK has some traces of the old song 'Thamizhukkum Amudhendru Peyar' but the 2 songs are not identical.
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Mon Jul 10 12:11:47 EDT 2000
  
  Ramki,
  
  Thats news to me. TFM-la tune-ku dhaan panjam-nu ninaichen. tamizhukum panjam-nu VM lyrics-ai copy adikaradhai paathu dhaan theriyaradhu!!!
  
  4-time national award winnerku idhu thevaya??
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Mon Jul 10 12:19:40 EDT 2000
  
  RR,
  
  Some suggestions for the copies page
  
  1. It would be nice to have audio of both the asal and nagal songs. We could also invite DFers to help us locate web-based audio samples of the songs listed there.
  
  2. In the comments column, there needs to be more objective remarks - IMO it'd better to just mention "watch out for the interludes", or "watch out for the second paragraph". This would help in reducing criticisms on the subjective interpretations of "copied", "inspired", "heavily inspired", "partial copy" and so on. This would also help in containing crticisms and counter-arguments of evaluation. IMO, it's better to put forth the asal and nagal songs, and present evidence, and also let a good discussion among the DFers on these songs.
  
  3. The "To be confirmed" list has the potential to trigger off mud-slinging-wars here. We have witnessed it in the past. You could wait until the audio samples are available before making the info public.
  
  chandy
  
  
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.123) on: Mon Jul 10 13:34:25 EDT 2000
  
  RR,
  And I was waiting for u to make the formal announcement of the inception of the site on this page;)) I feel that now since u have made the site public there might be more contributors of audio clips to the copied site. its not possible for me alone to provide all the clips. also let me know if i can send u mp3 files from time to time and if u know to convert mp3 to ra using available software.
  
  also thanx for putting up the clips. i'l do my best in sending u more.
  
  shysun,
  i have already provided the clip of maggie may to the TFM site. if u want to use that link in your site u can do so after acknowledging the source;))
  
  chandy,
  the original idea was to have rajaG , srikanth and others to comment on thesongs and to decide whether it is a copy or not. once this is implemented u can find more comments there. as of now its just a list that has all the songs from contributors like me who think it is a copy.
  
  i request you and everybody else to contribute the audio clips of the songs listed there whenevr u find time.
  
  
• From: NOV (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my) on: Mon Jul 10 21:15:31 EDT 2000
  
  Original: Mi-aw mi-aw poonai kutti / Nilaa nilaa oadivaa
  Deva: Yappa yappa Ayyappa
  
  
• From: KITKAT (@ 203.106.110.139) on: Mon Jul 10 22:45:43 EDT 2000
  
  The ompanam panam en panam is actaually lifted froma hindi song.
  
  
• From: nvd (@ 202.185.44.228) on: Mon Jul 10 22:59:30 EDT 2000
  
  SHYSUN Sir : Me, extremely agree with those plagiarism by ARR. People know it, feel it but what can they do!?!..especially those who already bought the album, have to listen to what the MD gives, as KarthikRaaja said once.
  
  Naveen Sir : Kannamoochi song from KKKK is an exact umbra of 'Raadha Seemedha Krishna' sung by Dr.Balamurali. Visit, 'Muthamil.com' and the section 'Inspiration' to find more. Even IR has copied the exact melodies from a Hindi song for his Keladi Kanmani song in Puthu Puthu Arthangal.
  
  
• From: fan (@ sttl6400gw3poola190.sttl.uswest.net) on: Tue Jul 11 00:17:55 EDT 2000
  
  mmmm, can we term usage of same raga as copy.
  infact Muthamil.com copied many things from here and posted it in their site,what to do..:))
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Tue Jul 11 00:58:21 EDT 2000
  
  and muthamil.com does not have the habit of acknowledging the source;) one suggestion to those guys if they happen to read my post. I had said that to me it sounded like july maadham vandhaal's guitar prelude sounded like the tune of puttin' on the ritz. and the very next day i found it in muthamil's site!! information like this is purely subjective. this has not been verified yet. so before u blindly put those songs in your site try to convince yourself whether it is a copy or not.
  
  srikanth,rajaG now that the list is up can u guys all get on with the plan of alasufying the songs and deeming them as copies or not? if something gets going i'll get the motivation to feed RR with more songs;)) after all the initial enthu shown lets not forget this thing. as said earlier u can form your group along with shahsi, naveen,rjay etc. if they are willing and can spend time on this.
  
  it would be nice for the newtfmpage to give its own authentic version of the copied songs page as compared to just the list presented in muthamil.com
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Tue Jul 11 01:17:41 EDT 2000
  
  RR,
  how many mp3 files can u handle? iam having originals for some songs but unfortunately in mp3 format? i dont have the software right now installed for doing the conversion to .ra format. i can send the mp3 files if u can do the necessary. let me know how much space do u have and whether it is OK for me to send files. this is part of the reason why i have not sent u any more files.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Tue Jul 11 01:22:08 EDT 2000
  
  vijay:
  
  I think we three (RR, yourself and I) can work this out.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ sttl6400gw3poola190.sttl.uswest.net) on: Tue Jul 11 01:39:23 EDT 2000
  
  Vijay,
  Thanks for condiering me, but
  Frankly, I am not an authority in Music or in deciding a song is copy or not, Also like food habits, hearing music is also selective.
  There is no scale or mechanics or tool to decide or determine a song is a copied or an inspiration or infact this applies to good or bad song also. Evey one has their opinions.
  
  But using this freedom, many websites propogate incorrect information.
  Don't you think we have better things to do rather than spying on these morans - where they copy, what they vomit as their music, do you care., I use to long time ago.
  
  In this process i am sad for genuine musicians who are taken for a ride eg; above issue of usage of same raga. We have discussed on this about 1 gigs of text. Still "pazaya kurudi".
  Nothing can be done.
  Frankly in the kanna moochi song,
  I was amazed by chitra's singing ability, arr usage of the raga in the score and finally his recording, what a balanced clear mixdown.
  
  so many good things in the score has been dropped and people are concerned about incorrect a information that some site has posted.
  I now get the meaning of the following words
  "A repeated lie becomes truth "- adolf hitler"..,
  
  Sorry I dont want to contribute in telling the world which is copy and which is not.
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Tue Jul 11 02:06:37 EDT 2000
  
  vijay,MS: will send you a mail on this.
  
  

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