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Aug 15, 1992 - Freedom from IR !!!!!

Topic started by The Oracle (@ 203.127.32.40) on Thu Dec 27 03:46:50 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

On this very day, millions of ppl who watched chinna chinna aasai in DD's sirappu oliyum oliyum sighed in great relief. Freedom from IR atlast.
A month or 2 later IR gave an interview to DD in which he acted hysterical and made ppl wonder whether he has really gone mad. He also tried to write ARR off by commenting that hez a "oru pada adhisayam". ( ARR will never make such a comment about a fellow MD, in his life ).Now, we all know for sure, who had the last laugh.
IR had kept tamil music listeners in utter darkness for over two decades. Same old tunes with "thanana thanana" , "lalala lalala " and "tok tok" tabla in the background. As for BGMs, happiness means veena and sorrow means shenoy. Ask Pushpavanam Kuppusami about the number of folk songs that IR has directly lifted. And if he gets bored, he will turn to western classical music and symphonies for inspirations ( entha poovilum vaasam undu, chittu kuruvi, pootukkal pottaalum, Mouna Ragam Theme etc.. to cite a few. Visit I2FS site for more info ). Its very different from using commercially available bass loops or sound samples, FYI. And god only knows why IR is reluctant to release the so-called symphony which he did. And out of the 600 + films he did, not even 100 songs are worth a mention.
Now coming to the question of why IR fans are fanatics. Simple. When a person is kept in utter darkness for 20 odd years and suddenly exposed to light on one fine day, what will happen to him ?
The same thing is what IR fans are experiencing right now. They just cant take it. All these years they simply didnt realise that music has another dimension. And when ARR showed them that, by reflex action, they started criticizing him.
( "kaaitha maram kalladi padum " ). And the blessed ones who had already realised IRs " bad spell" were the ones who took to ARRs music like fish to water. As for the fanatics, let those ppl alone. Let them spend their lives in the darkness, which is good for them atleast, if not for us.
And i wanna take this opportunity to clarify one more thing regarding why ARRs music doesnt sound good when heard for the first time. ARR himself clarified this in an interview he gave to vikatan.
" When u like a song the first time around, it means that u had already heard a similar kind of tune before and that your mind can easily identify that pattern. Whereas in ARRs case, every composition of his is original and new, and naturally it takes time for that to sink in. Thatz why his tunes start growing on you ..."
Finally, in history we find visionaries with new ideas that are far ahead of their times, are initially denounced by their own clan. But ultimately they will leave their footprints in the sands of time. NO need to say ARR is one such great person.

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• From: Ingres (@ 64.105.35.119) on: Thu Dec 27 16:36:54 EST 2001
  
  Maybe freedom from TFM is what is required at present.
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.238) on: Thu Dec 27 17:44:20 EST 2001
  
  Hi Oracle, inspite of IR's greatness, I must praise you for this phrase in your opening remark:
  
  "tok tok" tabla in the background.
  
  -- Very true! I remember switching of the radio or moving away from it when I used to hear this - more so in the mid and late eighties, that's when IR's music started to lose its lustre. I am kind of surprised when people try to glorify his music of the 90's!
  
  
• From: Saran (@ 64.220.209.214) on: Thu Dec 27 18:12:58 EST 2001
  
  The Oracle,
  For an argument, we keep whatever u told are right. ARR is god to u, OK? If u dont like IR and his so called "DARK SPELL", who asked to hear to his songs??? If u dont like, leave it, man. Come on, give a break. Etthanai thread aarambikka poareenga?
  
  Yep, IR doesn't know anything about music and ARR knows EVERYTHING in it. IR didn't do anything to TFM and only ARR does many GREAT things to TFM in these 10 years. IR summaa BULB pudingittu irunthaar, makkal ellaam avar kooda saenthu iruttu ulagatthil irunthom!
  
  IR doesn't know anything and whatever he did so far, he COPIED everything from some other Source. On contrary, ARR is doing many GREAT THINGS and all of them are his OWN CREATIVITY. ARR never COPIED, INSPIRED from any sources. Ithu thaanae unga argument? Let it be so.
  
  IR Fans are fanatic and becos of the REFLEX ACTION(!!??), they dont want to accept the so called TRUTH and hence they are still in DARKNESS. ARR fans are ANGELS and they know everything about music and they keep on praising ARR inspite of how the quality of music he GIVES.
  
  IR gave only 100+ SONGS that WORTH TO MENTION in his total of 600+ MOVIES, correct? Yes, He gave only that much. ARR already gave 200+ GREAT HITS out of his total of 100+ SONGS.(Each song u like twice)Even though u know a particular song is a direct lift, u want to hear it again and again becos ARR gave that in TAMIL. All tamilians dont have that opportunity to hear the original, know? That's why u hear that song and u appreciate ARR for his GREAT WORK. That's right. Do it.
  
  IR didn't give any great BGM. Accepted, sir:) Avarukku onnumae theriyaathu, sir. Chinna payyan avaru. ARR ennamaa BGM kalakki irukkaar theiryumaa? SAR-kku adutthu avaru thaan BGM-la, ore paattai padam muzhukka poduravar. Avara poi CHEAP-aa IR kooda ellaam COMPARE pannaa, oru sirantha ARR fan-kku, especially, The Oracle-kku athu oru izhukku illayaa???
  
  The Oracle, inspite of all these, WE LIKE IR. Enna sir, panrathu? We are so used to hear GOOD&GENUINE music. And that too, we just dont want modern music. Innum tamil isaiyilae nerayya BLENDS ellaam kaetka vaendiyathu evvalavo irukku. IR irukkum pothu thaanae atha kaetka mudiyum? So, give sometime to enjoy this great offer first, then we will look into the BRIGHTER outside and hear all the other CRAPS. IR is nowhere comparable with ARR, ok-vaa?? Athu thaanae neenga solla vandhathum? Athayae thaan naanum solli irukkaen...:))
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Thu Dec 27 18:16:27 EST 2001
  
  
  I dont think IR used tabla to annoying levels.
  First he used only in appropriate songs. Post karagatakaran started a wave of village films, in which you can avoid tabla. Compared to the levels overusing Dolaks like LP, IR used tabla appropriately.
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Thu Dec 27 18:42:43 EST 2001
  
  I am kind of surprised when people try to glorify his music of the 90's! it's probably because you haven't heard ir's 90's music. i was in such a similar situation from 94-96. some friends "forced" me to listen to some of their favorite songs of the 90's. i am now eternally grateful them.
  
  
• From: sarath (@ 12.86.28.133) on: Thu Dec 27 18:46:04 EST 2001
  
  To me, this arguement is absolutely scrap. the people whi knows music can identify and enjoy the right music. i thought the people who spk in this site are literate in music. i dont spk much in this site. for the first time, i have to open my mouth. IR, ARR, MSV........great people's list can be really extended. ok. how they are considered as gr8 people. its jus by the poeple's recognition. many people think film music is the only music in this world which is stupid. at the same time, it has THE reach to the people. so whoever can reach succesfully, is gr8 at that time. its ARR time now. i wont say its his time really. every composer had their own way of exposing. IR was able to dominate the music. the reason he accepted more films that ARR is jus due to his capability. he is true composer so as ARR. tats y ARR is not accepting all the films. tats hid gr8ness too. if he accepts more films, Iam sure to my opinion, he cant create good music as he is doing now. tats not his drawback. its his sytle.
  A student can finish his portions in one day where as it may take one week for other. but the result is the marks and performance of the test.
  we s'd see in tat way.........MSV, IR, ARR all have different perceptions. its the time which create this change in this difference.
  so .......I kindly request everyone to listen to good music. I personally know wat IR is capable of and wat ARR is capable of. both have reached different peaks. comparing them is absolutely crazy and it will happen amongst the illeterates.
  so, to people like Oracle I beg u to not to participate in such sites where music has to be appreciated instead of jus admiring their fav.
  loving
  sarath.
  
  
• From: VR (@ 66.188.201.72) on: Thu Dec 27 20:58:06 EST 2001
  
  Taste differs. No one can argue the amount of sheer joy fans of IR have felt as a result of his compositions. I consider myself really fortunate to have lived to enjoy the musical genius of IR (and SPB). Maybe some folks now find ARR more interesting. That doesnt take away from what IR accomplished.
  
  
  
• From: Sybase (@ 192.245.59.98) on: Thu Dec 27 21:38:17 EST 2001
  
  Hey Oracle,
  What the junk have u filled up in this thread ? Can u gimme a name other that IR to have filled the TFM void in the 1975-1992 era ? And, Today 1992 - till date he may be a hot property ... but few yrs down the time some Tom/Dic*(read 'k')/Harry could be there on top and would probably scre*(read 'w') ARR, upside down. So, stay cool buddy, there's nothing to get so emotional 'bout ARR or IR. Just listen to any MD's music if u like it and keep going. There's nothing to get Paranoid 'bout IR and there's nothing to go haha 'bout ARR.
  
  Guys : Pls. don't post any junk that affects other guys' sentiments.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Thu Dec 27 23:16:22 EST 2001
  
  Pras
  
  By the way, Oracle,
  
  "God made Raaja a man
  Raja made everyone mad"
  
  That was quite funny :)
  
  
  Its not funny. I TOTALLY agree with "The Oracle". Yes IR made people MAD.
  
  
• From: The Oracle (@ 203.127.32.40) on: Fri Dec 28 00:18:04 EST 2001
  
  The point i was trying to make i talked about avoiding competition is the following. The producers & directors during IRs regime were reluctant to experiment with new music directors bcoz of one simple reason. They just cannot come back to IR again for music. IR has made it totally clear that if someone opts for some other MD, he just cannot get back to him for his next films. He does it even today. After Barathiraja opted for ARR in Kilakku seemaiyile, IR promptly refused to do a film with BR again. At the time, when IR was in peak, nobody wanted to take risk. But nowadays ppl have options.
  But ARR is different. Even after KB did a film with Deva, he composed again for him. He takes music in a professional way unlike IR.
  
  
• From: The Oracle (@ 203.127.32.40) on: Fri Dec 28 00:33:07 EST 2001
  
  Saran,
  Can you cite one example where ARR has blatantly lifted a tune ? Try this link to find out more about whoz lifted tunes and who has not.
  
  http://www.iespana.es/i2fs/
  
  Utmost, u will find background beats and loops being similar for some 5 or 6 songs in case of ARR. But tune-wise, never, unlike IR.
  
  
• From: The Oracle (@ 203.127.32.40) on: Fri Dec 28 01:31:17 EST 2001
  
  And abt BGMs...
  Seems like u guys have never listened to BGMs in ARR's films. May at a few places he has used the tune of some songs as BGMs. Even then it will be completely different from the song itself with a different twist.
  BGMs in films like Lagaan, Fire, Thiruda thiruda, iruvar, rhythm, roja, bombay, may maadham, KKKK etc etc are really out of the world.
  
  Find a few of his BGMs at
  
  http://www.angelfire.com/musicals/rahmanbgms
  
  http://briefcase.yahoo.com/arrstore
  
  http://briefcase.yahoo.com/arrstore2
  
  
  

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