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Can any one mention atleast one orginal song of Deva??

Topic started by JoJo (@ pc2008.psi.ch) on Mon Oct 11 11:43:28 EDT 1999.
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I am sure there are some friends there sharing my openion. Up to now, deva has never made any original music( we know that?). If you are keen you can trace the music back and end up in a old music (or old, present western or khana music). It is not just IR that he is copying; it starts from some poor khana musicians and goes up to western musicians. The skill of Deva is to mix very nicely others' tunes. (I like all songs. I really enjoy some of the khanna songs- the problem is I know the original ones and I am sure he has not composed any of the khana songs). Deva, sure made some nice songs that all of us might have enjoyed.

The fact is THEY ARE NEVER ORIGINAL.

OK. Now the point is this:

Can any one mention any song that they think that is something original from deva:

I give some examples

Pull veli pull veli

Mottu mottu malaratha mottu

thanga magan indru singa nadai pottu
and so on

all khana songs from the movie 'indu'


(they are not original-)

I need the help from those friends I mentioned in the beginning in finding the originals.


JOJO

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Responses:

• From: bb (@ wolf.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Mon Oct 11 14:01:24 EDT 1999
  
  please see: http://newtfmpage.com/forum/5614.12.44.07.html for lots of original songs of deva.
  
  
• From: JoJo (@ pc2008.psi.ch) on: Mon Oct 11 14:06:28 EDT 1999
  
  Don't forget that the 'original songs of Deva' were nothing but the songs, undiscoverd...
  
  All my examples above were considered as original.., once
  
  
• From: Devathi Deva (@ anon-spica.free.anonymizer.com) on: Mon Oct 11 18:15:01 EDT 1999
  
  JoJo:
  
  Instead of spreading a false calumny and unleashing a malicious propaganda against our great Thenisai Thendral Deva, why don't you spend some time pondering on his musical enigma?? Personal jibes are always made in poor taste, in this forum (I was told so by my friends).
  
  Have you listened to the songs of Vaikasi Porandachu, Vasanthakala Paravaigal, Kilaku Karai (Lovely Songs), Pudhu Manithan, etc?? What about the songs in Annamalai and Baatcha??
  
  You guys at this forum try to behave like prima-donnas and it is very difficult to please such fastidious persons. If you try to remove that impression against Deva, you can really appreciate his geniuty.
  
  What do you mean by COPY?? Tell me, Sir! Even today, are we not using BORLAND, TURBO etc for developing our own applications in C language??? Will you term that as copy?? It is just the same way. Deva Sir, takes some good tunes as a base, changes it subtly for our audience and gives them as an everlasting application free of bugs.
  
  Even IR and ARR do such 'applications'. But they are marred by bugs and that is why their tunes do not cut ice with the fans. If you call that as a copy, then please remember this one sir: This is the order of the day.
  
  Customization, Motivation -- Substitute these words for what Deva Sir is doing. Do not call that as copying. Soon, Deva sir will come out with a Symphony. What are you going to call that one as? He will not disappoint the Tamil audience by going on a pleasure trip to River Thames in London, thereby creating an alibi that he went there to compose a symphony for Royal Philharmonic Orchestra.
  
  When you hear his songs, you will appreciate that he really helped many western MDs by once again bringing their works to Tamilnadu thereby popularizing it. Nobody would have ever heard, "Buffalo Soldiers in the hearts of America"--Thanks to our Deva Sir's Akila Akila song. Every Tamilian started to appreciate that song...Today if anyone plays Buffalo Soldier, even the Paataali of TN would recognize that. So our Deva Sir, is helping Tamil audience by providing them International Stuff. You cannot call that as copy. Call that as Service. Service to the Tamil Fraternity.
  
  Rather than indulging in mudslinging, please ponder over these facts.
  
  Whenever there is mudslinging against our Thenisai Thendral Deva, I would see that it is my responsibility to clarify the issues.
  
  Hope to hear back from you.
  
  Devathi Deva
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.240) on: Mon Oct 11 18:28:28 EDT 1999
  
  Mr. devathi deva,
  The prelude music from 'style style thaan' in baasha was a lift from james bond theme music and 'kondayil thazham poo' from annamalai is a rehash of 'vennila oduthu kannile aduthhu'. So I guess that explains everything.
  
  If u really think that deva is great pl. come out with 10 different new things that he has done to TFM (Am I sounding like someone else here?;)) )
  
  
  
• From: Devathi Deva (@ draco.anonymizer.com) on: Mon Oct 11 18:41:56 EDT 1999
  
  Vijay:
  
  It is my duty to bring out Thenisai Thendral's fame. I will try to do that (10 points). However, before treading that path, I would like to solicit your comments on the movies that I have named, viz, Kilaku Karai, Puthu Manithan, Vasantha Kala Paravaigal.
  
  Your comments regarding Batcha, Annamalai are not completely acceptable. Even the Temple Scene of VEERA where IR has a violin piece was a direct lift from a wonderful western album, which does not strike me right now. So how would that explain?? Or his copy of DARLING..DARLING..DARLING..Will that explain "everything" according to your lexicon?? In the coming days, you will see me throwing more light on our Thenisai Thendral.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.240) on: Mon Oct 11 20:37:50 EDT 1999
  
  DD,
  I dont wish to waste time by replying to your question in detail. I wonder whether u are just fun by throwing statements like this. If that is the case sorry it in bad taste and is testing the patience of many forumers like me. If not, refer to threads like 'creativity of IR' etc. in the archives for the reply.
  
  Also compare the sizes of the threads 'copied songs of deva' and 'copied songs of IR' and then decide for yourself whether what u said made any sense at all.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.240) on: Mon Oct 11 20:41:35 EDT 1999
  
  BTW, not much to say on the songs of the movies u mentioned. I dont know whether they are original are not;)), but they are definitely mediocre as compared to the songs of IR which came out at that time(dalapathi, eeramaana rojaave etc.).
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ tide75.microsoft.com) on: Mon Oct 11 20:43:25 EDT 1999
  
  A dilbertian observation of DDs Posts
  
  IMHO, people should look from a perspective that DD is trying to take sarcasm to a completely different level! With that viewpoint, I seem to have started to enjoy his post. :-)))
  
  
  
• From: Sabesan (@ ws-209-233-228-140.webvangroup.com) on: Mon Oct 11 21:57:54 EDT 1999
  
  well not only u Ravi, i think soon we all will enjoy "Devathi Deva" in all the threads.....
  
  hmmm.... slowly all the threads are becoming asdljfaskldf thread.... i thought only "new pages...." was left, with our "DD" arrival even thats becoming ........... :-))))
  
  
  
• From: Devathi Deva (@ sabik.anonymizer.com) on: Mon Oct 11 22:07:42 EDT 1999
  
  Vijay:
  
  Shying away from mutual commenting cannot be healthy for you, or for the 'Maestro' you are trying to vouchsafe for. IR was great. There is no dispute in that fact. But my argument is that Thenisai Thendral Deva is a step ahead of IR. You yourself admit that IR has copied. To go by your argument, then COPYING is COPYING. There is no gainsaying the fact that he copied 70% and I copied only 20%....For that matter, in a court of law, an adultress cannot plead ignorance citing that she had illicit affair only with 2 vis-a-vis another woman who would have had the affair with 200. So, am wondering if you are actually trying to defend IR by saying that Deva has copied more than IR.
  
  Leave that alone. Coming to the argument....Please do listen to the songs that I have mentioned previously. That would definitely help you get a good impression on Thenisai Thendral Deva. The song, "Enakena Poranthava Rakka Katti Paranthava Ivathaan", is still to be challenged by any MD of his time.
  
  What is wrong in singing a "Gaana" Song? How can you call it as a copy? Going by the same measure, can't "Othai Roopa thaaren" be easily dubbed as a copy too? For that matter, did not Madonna sing a sanskrit song in her recent album, after getting attracted by Indian Music? Did the American public castigate her for that? They welcome that. That shows that they as a public, are matured.
  
  When Thenisai Thendral Deva does that for "Akila Akila", you guys not only castigate him, but even fumigate the great composers' works.
  
  I wish to pooh-pooh your advice for me to arrive at a judgment by browsing through the archives of this forum, which is nothing but a bastion of hard-core IR fanatics. And you, asking me to compare the "size of threads" only proves the point that you are already starting to earn a disrepute as a dilettante. Stop dillydallying and come out of the IR Bandwagon. You can start admiring the great works of Deva then.
  
  Ravi:
  
  I am sorry to correct your vocabulary. There is no such word in English as DILBERTIAN. The correct word is GILBERTIAN. When I used to listen to IR songs, I used to get confused just as you do and used to play with wrong words. After starting to enjoy Deva songs, I am able to set right my dyslexia. Hope you got my point.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-90-6.sprint.ca) on: Mon Oct 11 22:53:05 EDT 1999
  
  Lolaakku daal dappimaa
  
  
• From: Devathi Deva (@ bellatrix.anonymizer.com) on: Mon Oct 11 23:04:55 EDT 1999
  
  ARUVI:
  
  Correct. 3-Cheers to our great Deva. See, slowly, all the fans are starting to sing the everlasting lilting tunes of Thenisai Thendral Deva. It is a good sign for the minority (Deva Fans of this forum). It is a bad omen for the majority (IR & ARR fans of this forum)."Lalakku lol dappi maa en kannama on idupa suthi valachu paaramma...ennai illama velakku eriyuma.." Great song. Only Deva can compose songs with that DEVATHI DEVA touch.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-90-6.sprint.ca) on: Mon Oct 11 23:10:44 EDT 1999
  
  DD
  
  You are quite right on the last line. I have still been trying to find out what 'lalaakku dol dappimaa' means:-)
  
  
• From: Sabesan (@ 120-pool1.ras12.casnc.agisdial.net) on: Mon Oct 11 23:10:54 EDT 1999
  
  haaa haaaa hoooo hoooo heeee heeeee.... yappaa Devathi Deva, nee kalakumaaa.... yarum yedhuvum panna mudiaaathu.....
  
  but something says me - ur English style seems to be a bit familiar - or may be iam guessing wrongly.....
  
  
• From: Kitcha (@ 1cust171.tnt1.fort-lauderdale.fl.da.uu.net) on: Tue Oct 12 01:02:34 EDT 1999
  
  DD...got to agree with Sabesan on that one...you do sound dangerously familiar! :-)
  
  
  anyways, if I am not wrong, Ravi was referring to Dilbertian as in the Dilbert comic strip! :)
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ tide74.microsoft.com) on: Tue Oct 12 01:08:37 EDT 1999
  
  DD -
  
  I am not a master in English but when I said Dilbertian observation - I meant Dilbert like, as in the cartoon dilbert. Check out http://www.dilbert.com - that cartoon strip's central theme is cynical, funny and sometimes sarcastic view of corporate American cubicle culture.
  
  Aangila arivilladha
  TT Deva-vin isaiyai patri ondrum ariyaadha
  sangeetha gnana soonyam
  Ravi
  
  
  
  

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