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Hariharan's pronouncing

Topic started by Giridarapuram Suresh (@ begis50.swift.com) on Tue Jun 23 16:22:28 EDT 1998.
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There has been many criticism on Hari's singing of Tamil songs, but I don't think he is singing that bad in terms of his 'Ucharippu' , Though there may be some words goes like that even for KJ it used happen like that, I feel Hari is singing excellant particullarly 'Ennai Thaalatta ..' and 'Vanna Nilave' and recent 'Vaanathu Thaaragaiyo'. I don't know why the criticism is ? May be just because he was introduced by ARR ?? BTW I am an ardent fan of IR .

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• From: Srikanth (@ 217.minneapolis-07.mn.dial-access.att.net) on: Wed Jun 24 08:44:47 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  For Hariharan , more than his pronounciation, his modulation is not powerfull like Spb.
  One will not be able to identify whether it is a love or a pathos song or a happy song. Stereo type singing.
  ..The Anbe Anbe song in Jeans - his voice converts the song into a christian devotional number (50% of that goes to our man ARR).
  It is too early to compare SPB and HH..
  SPB's right from Iyarkai ennum to his lastest, he has been able to give us variation and modulations..he improvises on the song better than any singer around the world.
  Present day -- HH voice or pronounciation cannot be compared or match Balu's...
  Srikanth
  
  
  
  
• From: Wren&Martin (@ alpxy3.att.com) on: Wed Jun 24 11:16:35 EDT 1998
  
  Guys,
  By the way shoudnt the topic be "Hariharan's pronunciation" ??. No offense intended
  
  
• From: vasanth (@ toliman.cc.umanitoba.ca) on: Wed Jun 24 13:55:03 EDT 1998
  
  Hariharan's wife is also a Tamilian (born and brought up in Bombay). May be due to hari's indepth training in Hindustani and Ghazal singing his Tamil pronounciation could be faulty at times. But he does have a great voice. I have listened to his ghazal songs especially sukoom (it's really a masterpiece)and indeed he does have a mellifluous voice.
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ pdxss902.jf.intel.com) on: Wed Jun 24 13:58:28 EDT 1998
  
  I feel HH modulation needs a lot of improvement. He does modulate but not where it is required. I
  am not sure if others feel like this. In vanatthu
  tahragayo, he konjifies with some words but I dont
  think those places are appropriate. I dont know how some of you compare him with SPB. How does it matter if SPB writes the song in Tamil or telegu
  or English. I dont think even in his early days SPB had bad pronounciation. HH coming from Bombay and non exposure to tamil is not a good way to argue.I dont care about his background. In the same terms, Udit should also be forgiven for his songs. HH being the highest paid singer means nothing. Does this mean that Rajni is the best actor bcos he is the highest paid in India? I am a big fan of Rajni but would never jump into this conclusion.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ rascal.ece.sc.edu) on: Wed Jun 24 19:34:54 EDT 1998
  
  geetha,
  i heard only a short sound clip of 'meetadha oru veenai' and i do not know,it might even be because of the recording i was not very much impressed with hariharan's singing.
  'ennai thalaata varuvaala' is no match to SPB's numbers like 'ilamayenum poongaatru' and IR is repeatedly using HH because of the market value of HH not because of his singing ability iam sure.
  
  also i saw a realvideo clip of 'ennai thalaata varuvaala' and i find it actually to be a happy situation.but i do not know whether it is IR's tune or hariharan's monotonous voice that made me feel the first time that this song has been tuned for a situation like wherein the hero and heroine are not able to meet each other for a long time and the hero singing the song with sorrow.
  its a great song no doubt but still could have been better with SPB.
  
  
• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust219.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Wed Jun 24 22:14:30 EDT 1998
  
  Geetha
  
  nAn badhil solla yenna irukku. yellOrum kAththirundhAppula theriyudhE:)) Why should all be against his voice, in one way or the other??
  
  BTW, Mano came into picture just for comparison. From bottom to top ranking, may be Mano is one, and Hari is two, hi hi:))
  
  sad tone....no modulation.....not versatile....yappA
  yennE qualities.....
  
  <
  >> oru pAttu pAdinA/ oru padam panninA innikku web page irukku!! adhellAm vachchu yedai pOdakkoodAdhu!!
  
  < >> yArukku vEnum cute accent?? "kEttELA ingE ada pAththELa angE" kind of songs varum appa kooppidaROm. pAdattum!! yellA situationukkum pAlakkAt accent? sagikkAdhu!!andha mAdhiri SPB pAdiyirundhA, yennaikkO galthA koduththiruppAnga!!
  
  < >> appa ghazalOda niruththikkunga!!
  
  shenBaHamE, vaLaiyOsai, Oh Butttterrrrfly.....
  innum yellA import singers pAttai
  kEttAchchu. sagikkAdhu!! IR used those singers. So what? IR'ai kizhichchAchunga!! When there were/are good singers at home (Sujatha, Uma, Chitra, etc.,)IR had no business to import vocals. Hariyai koopitta adhE nirbandhamdhAmdhAn annaikkum. Producers want to make money. e la '10 latchcham
  pOttu yeduththa dance, ulaga adhisayam kAttina pAttu, orE kAlil ninnukittu pAdina pAttu, singer vAyai moodAma pAdina pAttu, etc., Lata, Asha, etc.,are from Hindi. namma makkaLukku "adiyAtththi, pAtthiyA puLLa, hindikkAra
  ammini yeppidi nammooru pAtta pAdudhunnu" pOndra
  malaippukkaL.
  
  Udit - legalized killing of thamizh. yellOrum panam koduththu thamizhai kolai senjAnga. Planned execution. May be persecution.....
  
  Unni - mEda mEla pAduramAdhiri pAdurAr. HariyOda distant cousin pOla theriyudhu. thAngamudiyalai. yellam spb kAranam. aLavukku adhigamA namakku all round quality in singing koduththuvittAr. indha singers'ai oppukkoLLa ippO kashtappaduROm :((
  
  Nithyashree - yet another Unni in making songs unclear! So what? avangaLum sari illainnu yezhudhinA adikka varuvAnga. Hmmmm.....
  
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  >> IR's version yenakku mattumdhAn. OK?
  KM's 'yennai thAlAtta' by IR was just great for me. Not Mr Monotone's version. Thank stars. Unni did not render that song...:)
  
  < >> vAnAm, anAvasiyamA topic ARR kittE pOyirum, so please vitturuvOm.(yenna sollavandhEnnA ARRkku kooda kOdi kOdiyA kodukkalayA? yendru:)))
  
  So, theses are the dubious distinctions of Hari:
  
  1) orE mAdhiri Ola pAyila thanni ooththinA varum saththaththinaippOla pAduradhu.....
  2) sad tone on all occasions, yEdhO paRikoduththuttu irukkura mAdhiri....
  3) king of monotone
  4) lack of clarity. Thats one way to eschew
  language nativity problem, and call it 'delivery style, or accent, or vAdai.....'
  
  Kindly listen to SPB's 'iru kangaL', 'sembaruththi' and 'manakkum sandhanamE' from dharmA...
  
  pAttai clearA, muzhungAma, at the same time koralukku oru azhagaiyum, iLamaiyaiyum load panni kodukkanum... thelungula yezhudhikkattum, marathila yezhudhikkattum pAttu thamizhA irukkanum. avvaLavudhAn.
  
  SPB indha pudhu pAdagargaLukku 'class' yeduththA nallA irukkum:)) satti....agappai....what to do??
  
  
• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust219.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Wed Jun 24 22:22:03 EDT 1998
  
  Sorry....
  
  Geetha
  
  nAn badhil solla yenna irukku. yellOrum kAththirundhAppula theriyudhE:)) Why should all be against his voice, in one way or the other??
  
  BTW, Mano came into picture just for comparison. From bottom to top ranking, may be Mano is one, and Hari is two, hi hi:))
  
  sad tone....no modulation.....not versatile....yappA
  yennE qualities.....
  
  U: Why do you think Hari's fans have produces a web page for him?
  
  Me: oru pAttu pAdinA/ oru padam panninA innikku web page irukku!! adhellAm vachchu yedai pOdakkoodAdhu!!
  
  U: but it the Palgat coming out....Take as a cute accent, or don't listen to his songs....
  
  Me: yArukku vEnum cute accent?? "kEttELA ingE ada pAththELa angE" kind of songs varum appa kooppidaROm. pAdattum!! yellA situationukkum pAlakkAt accent? sagikkAdhu!! andha mAdhiri SPB pAdiyirundhA, yennaikkO galthA koduththiruppAnga!!
  
  U: Hari has a Palgat accent, he's lived in Bombay for a long time and his wife is
  from the North, hence his exposure to Tamil must be lacking, hence his pronounciation....
  
  Me: appa ghazalOda niruththikkunga!!
  
  shenBaHamE, vaLaiyOsai, Oh Butttterrrrfly.....
  innum yellA import singers pAttai
  kEttAchchu. sagikkAdhu!! IR used those singers. So what? IR'ai kizhichchAchunga!! When there were/are good singers at home (Sujatha, Uma, Chitra, etc.,)IR had no business to import vocals. Hariyai koopitta adhE nirbandhamdhAmdhAn
  annaikkum. Producers want to make money. e la '10 latchcham pOttu yeduththa dance, ulaga adhiyam kAttina pAttu, orE kAlil ninnukittu pAdina pAttu, singer vAyai moodAma pAdina pAttu, etc., Lata, Asha, etc.,are from Hindi. namma makkaLukku "adiyAtththi, pAtthiyA puLLa, hindikkAra
  ammini yeppidi nammooru pAtta pAdudhunnu" pOndra
  malaippukkaL.
  
  Udit - legalized killing of thamizh. yellOrum panam koduththu thamizhai kolai senjAnga. Planned execution. May be persecution.....
  
  Unni - mEda mEla pAduramAdhiri pAdurAr. HariyOda distant cousin pOla theriyudhu. thAngamudiyalai. yellam spb kAranam. aLavukku adhigamA namakku all round quality in singing koduththuvittAr. indha singers'ai oppukkoLLa ippO kashtappaduROm :((
  
  Nithyashree - yet another Unni in making songs unclear! So what? avangaLum sari illainnu yezhudhinA adikka varuvAnga. Hmmmm.....
  
  U: Is IR sounding stale by using Hari, where the KM song 'Enaai Thaalaata' was The Big hit of the year and brought the songs to fame? - You can't say that theIR versoin was the one that did it....It was hardly played.....I didn't see people singing the words of 'Ithu Sangeeda Thirunaala', however well pronounced it was.....Why do you think IR re-used Hari in Poonthottam for a Classical based song? Couldn't he have used Unni, who is a Classical singer in that? No one has critised Unni's pronounciation
  
  Me: IR's version yenakku mattumdhAn. OK?
  KM's 'yennai thAlAtta' by IR was just great for me. Not Mr Monotone's version. Thank stars. Unni did not render that song...:)
  
  U: Also, did you know that Hari is the HIGHEST PAID singer in TFM currently? MD's and People are not stupid you know, to be paying someone that much!
  
  Me: vAnAm, anAvasiyamA topic ARR kittE pOyirum, so please vitturuvOm.(yenna sollavandhEnnA ARRkku kooda kOdi kOdiyA kodukkalayA? yendru:)))
  
  So, theses are the dubious distinctions of Hari:
  
  1) orE mAdhiri Ola pAyila thanni ooththinA varum saththaththinaippOla pAduradhu.....
  2) sad tone on all occasions, yEdhO paRikoduththuttu irukkura mAdhiri....
  3) king of monotone
  4) lack of clarity. Thats one way to eschew
  language nativity problem, and call it 'delivery style, or accent, or vAdai.....'
  
  Kindly listen to SPB's 'iru kangaL', 'sembaruththi' and 'manakkum sandhanamE' from dharmA...
  
  pAttai clearA, muzhungAma, at the same time koralukku oru azhagaiyum, iLamaiyaiyum load panni kodukkanum... thelungula yezhudhikkattum, marathila yezhudhikkattum pAttu thamizhA irukkanum. avvaLavudhAn.
  
  SPB indha pudhu pAdagargaLukku 'class' yeduththA nallA irukkum:)) satti....agappai....what to do??
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Thu Jun 25 05:32:38 EDT 1998
  
  Vijay: For the song 'Ennai Thaalaata', you've described it was exactly as it was pictured in the film....It's a sad song, where the Hero is pining for the heroine to come to him, but it's not quite happening....Hari brought out the exact tone of this and you got it right the first time....
  
  Gopal: I don't understand what you've written, as it's Tamil in English. Please summarise it for me in English and e-mail it to me if possible.
  
  By the way, I never compared Hari with SPB, there is another thread for that. SPB is not 'Mr Perfect Pronounciation' as you guys infer....did you see the example I gave? I notice you've all by-passed it.....As I'm not a fan of his voice and have always been attracted by KJJ, Unni, Hari e.t.c, I don't with to make it a Hari/SPB debate.
  
  As for this monotone you all refer to, to me, songs like Malargale, Kaanukul Un Uruvame, Konjanaal Prou thalayvaa(He won an award for the 'teasing nature' of the song), I don't really see it, maybe I'm biased. Also, as I'm very interested in Hindustani classical and Ghazals, I see the Brikaas and Gamaks he adds to songs, which are excellent, but show Hindustani training, maybe this is what infuriates you guys. Yes, must admit that he is not versatile enough to do certain songs and comes under a certain bracket(Uyire, Vidukathaiyo), but give the man a chance, he's definitely talented and the people here who Shun him are a 'drop in the ocean'. The Hariharan(not to mention Unnikrishnan) compilations are bestsellers in shops in the UK so, maybe we have different tastes to you.....
  
  
  

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