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S.P Bala the greatest??????

Topic started by Jay (@ bat-50-212.tm.net.my) on Thu Mar 30 11:45:56 EST 2000.
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hi guys,

For me spb is the best bcos he is an all rounder/versatile and conquered tfm 4 a long time...But some are saying that upcoming singers like HH and UK already reached spb's stature and maybe better than him...What are your comments??? I am a fanatic fan of this great spb..so my fellow fanatics,plz e-mail me if you want to discuss more abt spb.....

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• From: bm (@ 205.188.196.113) on: Mon Jun 18 19:18:14 EDT 2001
  
  >>>>>>He has just not grasped certain pronounciation tricks that makes the rendering sound more 'native'.<<<<
  
  This was very true in his early days as a playback singer in Hindi..I was listening to Ek duje ke liye recently and couldnt help noticing that he has taken a lot of care to sound original by putting that extra stress on the " dha "s and "tha" s,but couldnt quite succeed.As the character in that film was a south indian, it didnt prick much but one could feel his discomfort in handling some words and "ha" ....but he has come a long way from that and is quite okay these days..but the one thing he continues and which irritates most ppl is the "shestai" he does with his voice to sound playful or overtly romantic like the closing "kudiyon ka zamaana" from Didi tera dewar deewana , "pehli baar mile hain " from saajan etc .
  
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>Even many female singers like Alka and Sadhana have not grasped this trick.
  
  Sugrutha : Anuradha paudwalnnu oru absolutely painful voice ai vittuteengaLE...
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.199.130.65) on: Tue Jun 19 00:15:29 EDT 2001
  
  hari:
  
  Why NOT TMS? :-))))
  And why NOT Seerkazhi? :-)))
  We're talking of singing skill here, arent we? Also, I dont NEEDto gather support from anyone. We are not having a tug-of-war that I need more people on MY side of the rope!!! The emotions in Seerkazhi's singing are just terrific!!!
  
  So please put YOUR point across more clearly - if u have one :-)
  
  
• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Tue Jun 19 08:50:21 EDT 2001
  
  bm,
  Anuradha-vumthaan. Thanks! I also agree that SPB definitely became much better later on.
  
  
• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Tue Jun 19 09:29:17 EDT 2001
  
  bm,
  I forgot to add, our SJ however has fully grasped it(the pronounciation tricks). eg,'yaar bina chain kahaan re'. Frankly, I could not appreciate the songs, that Vani Jayaram sang for OP.Nayyar, Madanmohan etc. That is why I dont buy all this hegemony/conspiracy-by-leading-singers theories (to keep out new ones). I know that SPB was also, at one time, accused of this crime.
  
  
• From: bm (@ 205.188.193.162) on: Tue Jun 19 12:00:33 EDT 2001
  
  Sugrutha..u re quite right...SJ was really good at it..infact in many of those numbers she sang for those Jeetendra-Sridevi/Jayaprada films she sounds like Asha .and it really takes one some very careful listening to say that it is not Asha..the others like Chitra,Anuradha Sriram all falter in the same " Azhutham " thing u had mentioned before..
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.109) on: Tue Jun 19 22:00:28 EDT 2001
  
  dear sugrutha:
  
  Is 'yaar bina chain kahaan re' really by Janaki? I always thought it to be by Asha!!!!!!!! Of course, I've listened to it only once, and to just the beginning part.
  
  Yes the VJ song for Madan Mohan in 'Ek Muthhi aasmaan' was bad. Even the 'meera' songs by her have a totally distinct accent. However even SJ's Sai Bhajans carry that flavour.
  
  BTW: When was SPB accused of this crime???
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.109) on: Tue Jun 19 22:02:05 EDT 2001
  
  BTW: What are the other VJ songs in Hindi films apart from Meera,Guddi,and 'Mora Saajan' from Pakeezah.
  
  
• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Wed Jun 20 09:31:22 EDT 2001
  
  LV,
  
  SPB was accused of this crime not in the HFM world but in the TFM world, way back in the 80s. (It was stupid of course.)
  
  I do not recall the VJ songs of the 70s, I just recall listening to of her songs for OPN. For Madanmohan the song that comes to my mind is 'pyar kabhi gam' with Kishore.
  
  (You must remember that in those days we did not have casette players and recorded music so freely available to us, expecially in small towns in TN. Only source was Vividh bharathi and Jaffna radio, and that too when Amma and Appa were in magnanimous moods !! Even today, more than melody and the beauty of songs, it is nostalgia, that motivates listening for me. While driving back from office I play old Tamil songs in the car, to recreate the mood that I used to have while returning from school, listening to Tamil songs from tea-shops and passing houses. I play old Hindi songs between 10 and 10:30 at night to recreate the magic of the music that used to waft in from a neighbour's house :-) )
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.198) on: Wed Jun 20 10:15:30 EDT 2001
  
  dear sugrutha:
  
  Tell me more about VJs songs for OPN. If u feel we are going into too much HFM,please e-mail me at lvlvlv@indiatimes.com, if u wish.
  
  
• From: y?? (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Wed Jun 20 13:33:56 EDT 2001
  
  Sugrutha,
  
  true trhat SPB was accused of this crime but there's no proof to say it was baseless. Maybe u r talking only about tamil movies where a giant like IR could have discontinued with SPB and any of SPB's politics wouldn't have worked. But in telugu, he WAS a culprit since there was no giant of an MD as such. How then can you explain the existence of only him ( but for ramakrishna, susheela's brother and one seetharam - brief tenure when SPB and actor krishna had an ego clash). Surely, there was talent around but simply no outlet with the whole pie being hogged by this one man. So, now when we see him encouraging new singers in some TV programmes and lettnig out ethical stmnts. , it feels quite paradoxical.
  
  P.S: I know am getting personal about SPB here but am just referring to what Sugrutha had to say. abso.. no doubts about his singing talents , please. . :)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Wed Jun 20 14:13:55 EDT 2001
  
  SPB and such a crime ! uff..indha maadhiri oru news naan aana aavanna kaththukkittadhilErndhu padichchadE illiyE..cine mags la ! ( Ok..dont ask me when I started reading cine mage :-) )
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Wed Jun 20 15:38:48 EDT 2001
  
  Y:
  I am just curious. Who are all these wonderful Telugu singers whom I have never heard of whom allegedly SPB "amukki vachchirundhaar". naattula nalladhukku kaalam illa.
  
  
• From: y?? (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Wed Jun 20 16:29:45 EDT 2001
  
  rajaG , what I said was based on some rumors that went around in those days .. digging some cine mags . might help too .. ( though I doubt it .. south cine mags are notoriously docile . :) ) btw, the fact that you don't know them substantiates the claim .. :)))
  
  
• From: y?? (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Wed Jun 20 16:36:05 EDT 2001
  
  considering the fact that the # of gult and tam movies is almost the same ( which also makes the # of songs the same), why is it that most of the gult movies have only SPB as the singer while there's an assortment(??) of them in tam.. ( I don't know many as such .. but from what I picked up from the discussions here - MV was one ..and there were others too ?? ) lack of talent cannot be a reason since there WERE many stage singers and good ones at that who simply did not make it to the movies even after trying ... I can't take names here since I don't remember them .. but these people were regulars in the local DD ..
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.206) on: Thu Jun 21 05:34:08 EDT 2001
  
  y??,
  By applying your logic to MFM, KJY (& KSC too) will become similar criminals:-))But if you spell out like that in Kerala, even to the so called `aspirants' who were given a `raw deal', I can assure you'll become `retired hurt':-)))
  
  Another parallel is IR of 80's. Will you accuse him of monopolistic practice too? (even when he was pushing out producers, sending some of them to his juniors or seniors)...
  
  onga logic totally outtu:-))
  
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.206) on: Thu Jun 21 05:43:19 EDT 2001
  
  More about KJY / KSC:
  The hoardings of music world in MG Road Kochi feature big pictures of KJY, KSC, LM & some POP stars. (in fact you can see KJY pictures every where even in photo studio hoardings) Much similar to the IR pictures in recording shops in TN. I was wondering where are those pictures of Devarajan, Raveendran and the so-called-ARR-of MFM, VS? And why not of MG Sreekumar or Sujatha? Is there conspiracy in this too??
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.202) on: Thu Jun 21 10:46:10 EDT 2001
  
  A consummate professional like SPB would do everything within his musical talents to ensure that he stays on top. People always expect higher moral standards out of others, than the standards applicable to themselves. SPB, KJY, KSC, et al have no obligation to other 'rising stars' to facilitate their success. If we expect that out of them then we are to blame.
  
  One of the crticisms against SPB was that (at least in Telugu FM) he used to modulate his voice for a given hero, even if his natural voice did not suit the hero. By doing this, he "spoiled the chances" of some budding singers whose voices were better suited than his own. My question is, "When were activities associated with the movie industry expected to be charitable?" If the producers, MDs, Dirs, actors were convinced that a voice modulated SPB version of the song had more chance of being successful than the same song by another singer, then more power to them. Why is SPB to be blamed?
  
  
• From: y?? (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu Jun 21 13:03:36 EDT 2001
  
  Eden,
  
  There's a vast difference between what IR was and what SPB was. IR was way too good to follow any monopolistic practices. He was highly prolific and gave out stuff that suited the tamil junta to the T. That doesn't preclude the existence of other talented MDs - like hamsalekha, rmaesh naidu, even chakravarhty to some extent and maybe some other MFM MDs. It only goes to show IRs genius and the fact that none of them could match upto it. SO, it was a producer's call and they invariable went for him. I think that was the only reason he ruled.
  
  -same thing can't be applied to SPB since I based my point on some 'rumors' than any published reports. also, SPB is only an implementor , IR was THE creator. that cuts SPBs power a lot. In TeFM, with not THAT hotshot of an MD around, SPB literally ruled. MDs just dint dare to replace him with any other singer. ( ok, to add masala .. I wud say SPB dared them to try that and bear the consequences). when Actor krishna had a tiff and decided to go for a new singer, he roped in Bappi Lahiri for music even when IR and chakravarthy were in major demand. what does that prove?
  
  ok, ur allusion to MFM actually brings up some thjing. why dint SPB go for such a thing in MFM? for the starters, KJY was already well established .. Mallu's are def'ly mroe experiment oriented than gults ... and I don't think IR was such a hot shot MD in mallu land at any time as he was in TeFM and TFM. Yeah, Eden - I also find it amusnig that there was only KJY in MFM for such a long time. without getting scared of being retired hurt, I wud venture an opinion on him very similar to SPB. :)) actually, I think I am on better ground here courtesy ARR . why ahve so many singers ( with trhe supposed decline of enthu in classical) come up all of a sudden and who are so good. Nowadays, even in TeFM, other Mds prefer Srinivas over SPB.
  
  rajaG brings up an interesting point .. SPB's awesome ability to modulate his voice .. u really ahve to listen to his songs for different heros to believe this. But he was not always perfect. There were some very 'base' voices trhat he wasn't very successful at imitating. But he still sang for them all the same - so that cuts the above logic I guess.
  
  
• From: y?? (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu Jun 21 13:16:12 EDT 2001
  
  ok rajaG, about SPB,etc not having a moral obligation for otherrising singers, I am with utherre. no one has to do anything for others. ayn rand lives long!!! which also menasone has to keep his mouth shut at the same time. You only have to listen to SPB's gospel on some TV channels ...:)
  
  

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