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SO BABA IS A FLOP?!

Topic started by SHIVA (@ 203.199.228.78) on Tue Aug 20 00:56:26 EDT 2002.
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barring all barriers, there is an universal report that BABA IS A FLOP. not just from laymen, even his ardent fans are absolutely unhappy with the film. spiritual leaders and severe religious people are angry with rajini. For people who beleived that rehmanis going to be the sving grace, he was the greatest disappointment. There is no commitment or seriousness in his music. Pls read reviews in Anandha vikatan and Kumudham. Nice to know that the press is bold to express their views. Anyway for the sake of clippings, movie rights and votes SUN TV will place it at no 1 in all countdowns for the next one year. But what we want to know as ardent rajini fans is : RAJINI SIR, ARE YOU REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THE OUTCOME OF THE MOVIE? DID YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT IS COMING OR YOU ALSO FEEL BETRAYED AND CHEATED?

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• From: Aalavandhan (@ 203.106.139.51) on: Tue Oct 1 07:42:59 EDT 2002
  
  Music Lover, please change your name.
  You are a disgrace to real music lovers.
  
  
• From: Stone Cold (@ 210.186.78.206) on: Tue Oct 1 22:13:05 EDT 2002
  
  who's the music director of Pandiyan??
  The songs sucks big time!!
  
  
• From: BEN (@ ) on: Tue Nov 5 01:58:01 EST 2002
  
  FOR ME, WHATEVER THE WORLD SAYS ABOUT 'BABA',
  IT STILL IS A FANTASTIC FILM WITH PLENTY OF
  MORAL VALUES AND THE LOVE OF GOD.RAJNIKANTH SHOWS
  HIS MATURITY IN THIS VENTURES.SURELY,'BABA' DESERVES PRAISE AND NOT CRITISISM. SONGS ARE ALSO
  WONDERFUL
  
  "NA LATE THA,ANA NAAN THA LATEST."
  
  
• From: baba fan (@ ) on: Sun Apr 4 05:58:47 EDT 2004
  
  baba is the best n not like the rest
  
  ghatham-ghatham mudigethe mudigepochi
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Sun Apr 4 13:03:28 EDT 2004
  
  ...appadinnu sollikittu, yaen mudinju poana thread thread-a uyir koduththu ezhuppi vitturukeenga?!!
  
  
• From: BEWARE! (@ 61.11.80.183) on: Sun Apr 11 10:28:32 EDT 2004
  
  People had a doubt that Rajni is a "nut" .
  Baba proved that he is a selfish nut.
  He is an opportunist of the worst kind. For his own selfish end he makes the confrontation with Ramdoss , political.
  This coward should be kicked out from the Tamilnadu political scenorio.
  
  
• From: BEWARE! (@ 61.11.80.183) on: Sun Apr 11 10:51:59 EDT 2004
  
  When Rajni did a Vishnu Mudra in his hand and had a beedi in his mouth - that was his doom.
  Only a Paithiyakkaran will do this.
  
  
• From: piratheepan (@ 67.67.91.88) on: Sun Apr 11 11:12:16 EDT 2004
  
  BEWARE,
  
  nee thaan enda Nanbane =P
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Sun Apr 11 12:55:31 EDT 2004
  
  Thanks for the Great information
  
  
• From: thiru (@ 210.214.128.96) on: Sun Apr 11 13:12:09 EDT 2004
  
  baba is a flop wow good news for TFs
  Thirumalai is a hit sorry bad news for TFs
  Don't know when the era of self promoting heros will end!
  
  
• From: BEWARE! (@ 61.11.79.68) on: Thu Apr 15 11:19:57 EDT 2004
  
  It is also good news that "Autograph' with that completely alien title succeeded, because of the treatment given to story telling.
  A 1000 Babas cannot equal Autograph.
  The failure of Rajini and IR is due to their escapades into philosophy. A barber should mind his work-should not sing. Like wise an actor or composer should mind his work - should not wander into philosophy.
  
  
• From: cho (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Thu Apr 15 12:13:00 EDT 2004
  
  BEWARE,
  
  Philosopy - is not Work!
  
  Being philosophical has nothing to do with what you do for living.
  
  Engirundhu thaan indha maadhiri ellam ungalukku thonudho theriyala! Your example is non-sense and out of your ignorance. Where did you get the idea that IR didn't mind his work? First of all, IR has not failed and he will never fail!. Gap kedacha, IR-i pathi kurai solla vendum-nnu ethavadhu venduthala? Dont just look for reasons. Try to be reasonable. Okay?
  
  
  
• From: thiru (@ 210.214.132.136) on: Thu Apr 15 12:17:14 EDT 2004
  
  #IR has not failed and he will never fail!
  
  What are the parameters you use to say this?
  
  
• From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Thu Apr 15 12:18:15 EDT 2004
  
  well-said!
  Where Does IR come in the subject of Baba?!
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.19) on: Thu Apr 15 13:22:33 EDT 2004
  
  SK,
  Baba flop aanadhukku Rajni-a mattum evalo naal thittardhu. IR, MSV, Sivaji Ganesan, MGR ellarayum thittina dhaaney pozhuthu pogum? ;-)
  
  
• From: cho (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Thu Apr 15 13:57:57 EDT 2004
  
  thiru,
  Parameters? Why are you asking? IR is more than 60 years old and he is still there doing successful projects like virumandi with so much of variety.. (mind you, IR took less than a month for this nice album unlike other MDs who take a year to produce an average album).. And there is lot more projects under pipeline.. more than what other MDs have on their hand.. Just because a few people like you don't understand IR's 'genuine' music, it doesn't mean that IR has failed... He is never going to fail. A genius is always a genius... As long as TFM keeps it's nativity and as long as directors need good BGM for their movies, IR will always be there until he finally decides to quit on his own. You or nobody else could stop that. Podhuma?
  
  Just close your eyes, listen to 'onna vida', 'elankathu veesudhey' 'nirpadhuvey' etc in your walkman. For once, be reasonable before start bashing IR. If you want to keep talking ill about IR, please go ahead. That's not going to change anything.
  
  IR's contribution towards to Indian film industry is unparrelled and it still continues...
  
  
  
  
  
• From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Thu Apr 15 14:29:00 EDT 2004
  
  I admire your persistent sense of humor in any thread, C~P! Keep it up! It's a gift!!
  
  
• From: Thiru (@ 210.214.128.194) on: Thu Apr 15 16:06:44 EDT 2004
  
  Cho,
  your post is emotional.
  shed off the emotional view and look at it in a rational view.
  His career graph went downslide after 92.
  Yes he does give great songs like the ones you have mentioned but that goes diluted in voluminous mundane output if his.
  Having more projects is not important, its quality work that matters.
  I don't have time to write all his mediocre works, just understand one thing he was appreciated by the masses thats why he could be successful now dont try to say that people of tamilnadu dont have the nuances to accept his music, that seems like teasing a kindergarden child with choclates.
  You dont have to belittle other mds to make him great. Show him great by relevantly saying the finer details of his good works.
  Most of the ARR fans including me accept IR is very good, get that first.
  Like what you say----------
  An average album like dilse made webber notice that there was a composer ARR.
  average albums like Taal and Laagan rocked the whole India.
  But i still dont understand, If IR hasn't lost any form, his works are par excellance then why didn't the people tamil nadu notice Ramana, solla marantha kathai, Friends, Konji pesalama and so many other albums.
  BGMs he is very good accepted, Hey ram was too good, but ramana was average, he took 40 days to score ramanas BGM.
  Please dont write an emotional post blah blah....if theres anything rational you want to express, genuine facts, please do.
  
  
• From: cho (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Thu Apr 15 17:46:16 EDT 2004
  
  Thiru,
  
  What I posted were genuine facts.. nothing emotional.. Career graph will down for everybody. That goes with the age and time. Wait for a few years, it will go down for ARR too. It already dipped a bit before AE. Failure means going out of the industry. IR is still pretty much in the market. Isn't he? Failure means something what happened to MDs like Chandrabose, SG, SAR, Sirpy etc etc.. Now, tell me if IR has failed. Dont give me that quality vs quanitity crap..people have been saying this for a long time...by confusing music quality with recording quality..
  
  I wasn't bringing down other MDs to make IR great and I don't have to. You are talking about Taal, Lagaan, Dilse etc... think for a minute.. who were all the other folks involved in those projects other than ARR and who were all the consumers and what kind of marketting backup ARR had to his credit? Music was good in those movies. I didn't say that they were agerage. In order to produce good music, you need to have good team and puch from many sources. But again I can produce a list of movies where ARR sucked big time (movies for which he took almost a year to complete).. well, I dont have the time to get into that...
  
  Understand this. I did not say that IR hasn't lost his form. Like I said before..it all goes with age and time.. At this age, what he is producing is unbelievably great.. a testimony that he is still a desirable MD in TFM.
  
  Tamil nadu did notice Ramana, SMK, frieds etc.. What he producing is what demanded by the movie. That's where IR differs from other MDs. That, to me, is the work of a genuine composer. He doesn't produce pop albums after which directors create situations based on the song. He produces music for situations that are already created. If you listen to his music on the screen, you will understand what I mean.
  
  What I dont understand is that if you accept that his BGM is good in heyram, then why do you contradict yourself by saying that he has failed?
  
  You can see IR's knowledge in his music. ARR is an intelligent composer but he doesnt possess the knowledge that IR has. Maybe, he has but he is yet to prove it. Whether you accept it or not, that's the fact.
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Thu Apr 15 19:45:36 EDT 2004
  
  What else movie got flopped?.
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Apr 15 23:04:44 EDT 2004
  
  Decent argument nadakkudhu. Emotions and feelings ilaama argue panraanga. Indha madhiri ella thread layum decent aa pesinaa evlo nalla irukkum.
  
  ninaipadhellam nadandhu vitaal deivam edhum illai.
  
  But enakku onnu puriyala..BABA thread la idha yellarum yen pesikittu irukkom?
  
  Election time. Ellarum decent aa message post pannunga..
  unga vote IR or ARR..aana en vote veenai balachandar kku dhaan. yaar neraya thanni podraangalo avangalukku dhaan en vote.
  
  aana neenga sindichu BABA yen flop aachu appadinu mudivukku vandhudunga.
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.19) on: Fri Apr 16 00:32:08 EDT 2004
  
  Ippadi oru comedy thread-la ivalo serious arguements-a?!! Thread topic vittu poga koodaadhu. bb thittuvaar! :-)
  
  Ferrari,
  Niraya thanni podaravangalukku vote-a? Election-la nikkardha idea-va enna?! ;-) Avar sonnadhu vaera thanni!
  
  BABA padam flop aanadhukku enna yezhavu sindhanai vaendi irukku?! Ippadi padam eduththa flop dhaan aagum! :-)
  
  

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