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Vairamuthu's Junks

Topic started by Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 12.92.218.19) on Mon Aug 27 16:58:43 EDT 2001.
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Listen to the following lines
"Devathai kulitha Neerai alli Theertham endre naan kudippen" from "Anbe Anbe Kollathe" - Jeans.

If you practically think about it, he really meant he wants to drink "sakkadai".

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• From: raj (@ 203.199.199.3) on: Wed Aug 29 00:12:07 EDT 2001
  
  in this Context I Prefer Vaali than VM
  what u guys say
  his imaginations r good..
  like Yeh Azhagayia theeye....
  etc....
  
  
• From: KavipPiriyan (@ 12.20.58.68) on: Wed Aug 29 04:02:44 EDT 2001
  
  Vetti Muthu,
  
  The lines does not fit the character. As others have pointed out it is a pre-written song and inserted in the movie. I think VM should have written it as 'kaetpEn'(as against kaettEn) in the original .
  >>u've got carried away by the jugglery of words<<
  vArthai kOrvaiyAi ezuthinal athu Jugglery illa.
  Do you know what he implies in "aaRum kAyam" ? I think you don't know.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.188.186) on: Wed Aug 29 04:26:04 EDT 2001
  
  6m viralaay paenaa kaettathu Abdul Rahman., Vairamuthu Copied his line and used in amarkkaLam song.,
  
  ARivumathi proves this with saatchikaL (Xerox copy of Abdul Rahman's kavithaith thokuppu where a kavinjan's sixth viral is tip of a pen) in his book 'Paanirai kavarthal'
  
  I feel Vaali is better writing to characters, We never see Vaali in his songs - but only the character., Simple and sweet lyrics are his stamp and I like it very much - Listen to 'thooLiyilae aada vantha vaanaththu minviLakkee' once and you will understand what I mean !
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Vetti Muthu (@ 12.40.25.1) on:
  
  KP,
  That's what i xactly meant. Most of VM's 'kavidhais' are pre-written (Mostly by others, sometimes his wife helps him, occasionally he writes too) and he claims himself to be another bharathiar and KD,..
  I'd agree with NagaS, Vaali is a better TFM lyricist, but is often ignored.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed Aug 29 17:01:36 EDT 2001
  
  //"Most of VM's 'kavidhais' are pre-written (Mostly by others, sometimes his wife helps him, occasionally he writes too) "//
  
  arivumathi is not exactly a friend of VM but he , when posed with this question said VM wrote all his works
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on:
  
  Vairamuthu's Junks...Vairamuthu by himself is a total Junk...
  
  
• From: Vetti Muthu (@ 12.40.25.1) on:
  
  One More Junk of VM, as i heard it just now:
  Film: Annamalai
  Song: VandhEnda pAlkAran..
  Line: 'pullu kodutha pAlu kodukkum, onnAla mudiyAdhu thambhi'
  (Can anyone else think of a stupid comparison than this? Thank God, he stopped with this, otherwise he wud've proceeded with,'onakku kombu irukkA thambhi?,onakku vaalu irukkA thambhi,...)
  
  
  
  
• From: Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 12.92.214.119) on: Wed Aug 29 17:17:50 EDT 2001
  
  One more junk in the same movie, song: Oru venpura..
  
  "kozhi midhichu oru kunju saaguma
  endru paadam padithen adhu pazhaya pazhamozhi
  kunju midhithu indha kozhi nondhadhe
  idhu pudhiya pazhamozhi"
  
  Pazhamozhi-nnu sonnale adhu pazhasu dhaane,
  appuram enna pudhiya pazhamoli?
  
  
• From: Vetti Muthu (@ 12.40.25.1) on: Wed Aug 29 17:18:52 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  By pre-written, I meant they were not written on the spot nor were based on the situation, but were based on heavy 'home-work'. U all'll be knowing how much time he takes to write a song.
  He has a few 'ready-made' poems(?!) handy, and inserts'em into the films, no matter, they're relavent to the context.(As was proved with a rowdy character singing 'ArAm viralAi pEnA..')
  Another instance, I can think of is 'thamizhil kuyil pAda vEndum', in thirudaa,.. by a don't care youth. Why, on the earth, shd he worry abt kuyil singing in thamizh or thulu?, As i said, it was poet's words not the characters.
  so, the bottom line is VM FAILS as a TFM lyricist. Ask him to release his kavidhais as a book, I'll be the first to buy it. But if he still writes in TFM, I'll be the first to kick him out.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.8) on:
  
  
  By pazhamozhi VM means pazhuththa mozhi..
  they are "gnAnap pazham" statements typically
  made by pazhuththa kizhams based on their
  life experiences. I feel it is quite alright to
  use pazahaya pazhamozhi and pudhiya pazhamozhi.
  There is not much abaththam there.
  
  However, I agree with the pullu stuff as junk.
  
  VM by himself is total junk.. ippadiyellaam solvadhu
  avasiyamaa?
  
  
• From: raj (@ 203.199.199.3) on: Thu Aug 30 00:16:07 EDT 2001
  
  ya He fails as a TFM Lyricist.. And he says often that HE's against using English words but he uses the same....(Take it easy Urvasi, etc..)
  
  Y this double strand,....
  
  Sick of him
  
  
• From: raj (@ 203.199.199.3) on: Thu Aug 30 00:25:51 EDT 2001
  
  Also he says He is against the Usage Of English words but he uses quite often for ex Take it easy Urvasi..
  
  Sick Lyricist .. Repetitive Imagination
  
  
• From: Mani (@ 202.185.251.80) on: Thu Aug 30 01:12:53 EDT 2001
  
  Hi All,
  
  I agree with most of you that VM is a good poet but not a good Lyricist. I love his poems. I can never forgot his 'ikhtalla yAn kEtathu' in 'peiyanep peiyum mazhai'. In fact he just changed the way he told in 'snEgithenE'. These 2 have a lot of similiraties. Same goes to most of his lyrics. i.e 'ennavalE' in kAthalan and 'kAthalithup pAr'. Even in poems, Vali some times make VM no where. My vote goes to Vali and VM is a good poet. But the evergreen is the one and only 'kaviyarasu Kannadasan'.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Thu Aug 30 01:24:57 EDT 2001
  
  By pazhamozhi VM means pazhuththa mozhi..
  
  oh! sk neenga appidi vareengaLa?
  
  yenakku oru sandhaegam mozhi yenbadhae pazhuththadhu dhaanae? appidi irukkayil yaen mozhiyai pazhththa mozhi yendru koora vaendum?
  
  oru vaeLai vairamuthu mozhi idhuvarai pazhukkaadha mozhiyo?
  
  
• From: Rajan (@ 24.20.140.228) on: Thu Aug 30 02:37:55 EDT 2001
  
  Comeon guys .... Vairamuthu is far matured than Vaali.
  
  Vaali! He is just non sense. He mixes sex in every line he writes. I can quote many junk lines from Vali's verses. If Vairamuthu mixes English in his verses, Vaali mixes Sanskirit in his verses. And Vairamuthu is forced to use few English words to keep the songs live to the current generation and AR Rehman songs. If you want to blame, you can blame any. Please don't criticise Vairamuthu, as he brought fresh lease of life to Tamil songs.
  
  For "Anbe Anbe ... " song from Jeans, what VM says is not junk? Have you not heard of ani (moonu sulli na) in Tamil?
  
  
  
• From: raj (@ 203.199.199.3) on: Thu Aug 30 04:43:25 EDT 2001
  
  hello When VM is Forced Vaali is also Forced to do the Same ..He doesnt mix Sex in all his songs ..
  
  Dont give a Generic Comment...
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.188.186) on: Thu Aug 30 07:49:04 EDT 2001
  
  Rajan,
  
  Vaalee mixes sex in every line he writes ?
  
  This shows how biased you are - probably you listened to one or two songs of Vaalee and made your decision., Do you know he is writing for more than 40 years now ? Do you know He has written to 4 thalaimuRais of Heros (From MGR to Madhavan) ? Do you know he has written songs other than 'samainjathu eppadi' ?
  
  Come on yaar, Everybody has some negative songs to their credit - don't make it a generic statement and start blaming them.,
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: raj (@ 203.199.199.3) on: Thu Aug 30 08:42:39 EDT 2001
  
  Ya NAGA that's True ...
  
  If u hav read the book by Vaali named Naanum indha Nootrandum
  he has clearly mentioned that the Particular Song samnjadhu yeppadi was already written by Pavitran&shankar(Currently a Famous Director)
  
  Vaali was asked to shape the Song..
  words were already filled by them
  
  So it was not The Mistake Of Vaali
  
  
  If u say this
  
  then VM has written yedhuku Pondati, Yerikaya Yerikaya Rickshawula etc which r more than the Above...
  
  
• From: KavipPiriyan (@ 192.128.133.68) on: Thu Aug 30 12:07:19 EDT 2001
  
  SK
  Comparing some of the good characteristics of animals to selfish minded human is not a new thing in TFM.
  
  kA kA kA... (parAsakthi), is a theamatic song comparing crows to man.
  
  Kannadasan also has done in some songs (nALai muthal kudikka mAttEn.., etc.)
  
  'pullu' is one such song. You don't want to adopt the same style as others did before . It would n't be accepted by current genre. So VM puts that in a wild way , that is his style.
  
  As regards Vali, he is a good lyricist but has not remained distinct over the last three decades(almost). He has penned some excellent lyrics like " azhagu malar aada ..". He proves his penetration and punch in his lyrics sporadically but not consistently. I don't care whether he writes with virasam or not as it may be his style.
  
  But, i cann't digest if someone says if vAli write with virasam , it is not his mistake whereas if VM writes , then it is a "rAja dhrOgam..".
  Why is this double standard? there is some saying.. "vEndAthavanukku pondAtti kai pattA kutRam kAl pattA kutRam"
  Whatever VM writes, it is a "paethal" or "junk" etc.
  If the rift between IR and VM never existed , there would not be a VM-haters-club of this size. Now after "kaNdulondEn kaNdukondEn release " some more would have joined the club.
  
  
• From: Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 12.92.218.162) on:
  
  The greatest junk of VM is:
  
  "Akila Akila" from Nerukku Ner.
  
  Following was the Dindigul Leoni's comment about that song:
  
  ippo oru paattu vandhu irukku paarunga,
  
  "Akila Akila
  Chacha Chacha Chaacha
  Kannadicha Akila
  Akila Akila
  Cheecha Chacha Chaacha
  Kannadicha Akila
  Akila Akila
  Akila Akila
  Akila Akila Akilaki laa"
  
  avvalavuthan pallaviye mudinju pocchu. Vaarthai vara maattengudha? podu chacha, chaacha, cheecha avvaluvanaiyya paattu.
  
  adhulayum andha paattoda saranathula paarunga,
  
  "Naan unnaiye dee pottu pesinaal
  urimai koodum allava?"
  
  aambala kekkuran idhu nyayam. udane ava kekkura,
  "Naan unnaiye daa pottu pesinaal
  uravu koodum allava?"
  
  vilangumaaya?
  
  oru pombala purushana paathu, "vaada kirukku payale, enga poyi tholainja? saappuda vaada"-nnu pesina uravu koodumakkum?
  
  
  
  
• From: Rajan (@ 24.20.140.228) on: Thu Aug 30 23:15:52 EDT 2001
  
  Nayagara... Vayagara.... great verses from Vaali. Vengaya vilai... comeon yaar... A good song by AR Rehman was massacred by Vali. If you want me to give references, I can give many. Have you heard songs like "Ilaiya Nila...", "Anthi Mazhai...", "Ithu oru ponmazhai", "Pani Vizhum malar vanam" by Vairamuthu.... It's not based on how many years one has been in the field! In that case Vairamuthu has to blame his parents. If you guys say that Ponmani (Mrs. Vairamuthu( is writing all the songs for Mr. Vaiaramuthu, I will say Mrs. Vaali is writing all the songs for Mr. Vaali. The argument goes. Vali has spoiled more songs than Vairamuthu. And Vairamuthu has decorated more songs than Vaali. This is a fact.
  
  I don't want to hear film story in the song. Well, who is interested to hear that the film heroine divorced Hero and wanted to marry the villain, except for Vali.
  
  Have you heard songs from Tenali? That will show how AR Rehman songs can go unnoticed without Vairamuthu.
  
  Well, if Shankar and Pavithran says that one of the female samanjathu eppadi, why Vaali has to lend his name?
  
  I am sorry. I am not great supporter of Vaali, because I have seen many good songs by Ilaiyaraja were spoiled and I could not listen in front of my family, just because of Vali.
  
  I am soory if I had been tougher on Vali.
  
  
  

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