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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Tue Jul 11 21:27:52 EDT 2000
  
  vijay :
  
  the post was indeed brief :-)
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Tue Jul 11 22:56:26 EDT 2000
  
  Bug,
  i think u have been a little delayed in geting on with whats happening here. this discussion was started by us quite some time back. in trying to answer u i would only be wasting my time because u dont seem to be getting my point.
  
  and FYI, whatever songs i have contributed to the list here are my own findings. i have not compiled the entire list for your info. If i borrow info from others and if i create a new page i'll definitely acknowledge the source. end of digression,period.
  
  lets get back to discussing copied songs guys.
  
  
• From: bb (@ charger.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Tue Jul 11 23:20:35 EDT 2000
  
  have added few more links to the originals..
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Tue Jul 11 23:42:13 EDT 2000
  
  Was listening to IR's telugu songs from 'Sangeerthana'. This song (good)
  
  http://www.telugucinema.com/audio/cornor/ram/sankeertana3.ram
  
  has been 'recycled' as 'nilave mugam kaattu' (ejamaan).
  
  
• From: haris (@ inet-fw2-o.oracle.com) on: Tue Jul 11 23:47:04 EDT 2000
  
  The chorus 'nenjai allum dolby song ival' chorus in the song 'aval varuvAlA' - Aasai (Deva) is from the song 'Get up Stand up' by Bob Marley.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Wed Jul 12 00:25:24 EDT 2000
  
  RR,
  at present we shall concentrate on songs inspired from non-indian sources only as RajaG suggested. once we compile this list we can concentrate on indian sources as i believe these would be too many.
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Wed Jul 12 01:03:17 EDT 2000
  
  vijay: just thought of pointing out, it was so glaring..
  
  anyone know the source for 'laila..laila' (nandhini) ? Some persian score, could be didi. It was also copied by Alisha.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 194.149.80.1) on: Wed Jul 12 01:15:20 EDT 2000
  
  RR.,
  Raja has used lot of his Telugu songs in Tamil and Tamil songs in Telugu. Aditya Audio has released two cassettes with IR's telugu hits (Surprisingly., In the midst of all these synthetic stuff., These two have become Super hit in terms of sales and they are thinking of releasing some more in this series). If you listen to these two cassettes., You will find atleast 50% Tunes from Tamil. Telugu-kku avai fresh songsthaanee, that too then it comes from the same composer., I don't think we can call it Copy.
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Wed Jul 12 01:19:10 EDT 2000
  
  bb/RR,
  Need not search for the foll original songs:
  
  1. buenos aires - madonna
  2. for a few dollars more theme
  3. ofra haza -galbi
  4. vanessa williams - colors of the wind
  5. puttin on the ritz - Taco
  6. shes a maniac - from flashdance
  
  I have them and will send it to u soon.
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Wed Jul 12 01:25:09 EDT 2000
  
  NagaS: :-)) I dare not call that a copy. I know there are a few songs of reusage, e.g. 'madurai marikozhunthu vaasam' ('yamaho' in J.V.A.Sundari), 'puthiya poovithu poothathu' ('kotha kothagaa' in surya IPS),etc. The song in question is not a reusage, but a recycling.
  A la SA Rajkumar's songs... I didn't want to give this analogy but you made me say it :-) Throw the tomatoes.. :-))
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.238) on: Wed Jul 12 08:40:39 EDT 2000
  
  SAR's interview:
  http://tamil.satyamonline.com/movies/content/interview.asp?interview_id=43
  
  Thought this is the most appropriate thread:-)
  
  
• From: Sudhakar G (@ alcfpxy1.att.com) on: Wed Jul 12 08:55:22 EDT 2000
  
  Modesty = SAR
  SAR = Modesty
  
  Huh!! Wonder how/why the industry points its fingers only at Raja for arrogance/ego..
  
  eden,
  Thanks for the link...
  
  Folks,
  Sorry for the digression.
  
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ proxy2o.dpn.deere.com) on: Wed Jul 12 10:22:23 EDT 2000
  
  MS,
  
  Thanks for the info. 'Anjali' song is in western style. Thats why I had a feeling that the song must be derived from many western classical pieces. Maniratnam is the right person to ask about the original tune.
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 206.152.113.140) on: Wed Jul 12 17:17:44 EDT 2000
  
  'Anubavam pudhumai' is inspired from a song called
  Besame Mucho - a latin/mexican song of the
  sixties.
  
  The anupallavi,
  "Annalil illatha pollatha ennangalae" is an exact copy of that song's anupallavi(?). Besides
  that the feel and the beat of the song are
  adapted very closely and also very imaginatively!
  It is a good example of how a theme/mood can be
  developed and improved! It is not a copy at all!
  
  I will try to provide an real audio or at least
  a midi file!
  
  rjay
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ rocia010-0539.splitrock.net) on: Wed Jul 12 21:34:49 EDT 2000
  
  Rjay,
  
  Today afternoon, I was about to post about 'Anubavam Pudhumai song'. I know it is inspired from a Latin song.
  But I was not sure about the Title of the song. Thanks for the info. Now I believe in Telepathy :)
  
  'Rajavin Paarvai Raaniyin Pakkam' song is inspired from some Japanese tune. Do you know the Original?
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Wed Jul 12 23:10:36 EDT 2000
  
  rjay: found this link 'Besame Mucho' (apparently means, 'kiss me a lot' :) which contains over 1 hr of music:
  
  http://world-gateway.org/music/Besamemu.ram
  
  Is this what you were referring to?
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Wed Jul 12 23:15:55 EDT 2000
  
  rjay: i think you are referring to
  this
  
  http://www.dzn.com/~lhindi/besame(1).mid
  
  It has that 'annaalil..' line..
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 38.169.77.68) on: Thu Jul 13 13:38:06 EDT 2000
  
  I have been wondering since "Thaalam" came out (I don't listen to Hindi, so won't compare "Taal"), that I have listened to the "clap, clap, clap" percussion sound before. I'm talking about the sound that follows, "megaththil irundhu va va va" and recurs in the rest of the song.
  
  It just dawned on me. Thompson Twins, a famous British trio from the 80s, had a song that goes, "East is East, West is West, two different colors on the map." I can't say for sure the name of the track but it's key line is what I have above. Anyway, that song uses the exact "clap, clap, clap" sequence right after "East is East" and "West is West" and throughtout the song.
  
  This is mentioned purely in the interest of comparison. Whether it's copy or inspiration or coincidence is up to the pundits to decide.
  
  Caveat:There's not a single MD that I hate, I enjoy good songs from Sirpi, Deva , SAR, as well as the unfortunately deified ones.
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 206.152.113.179) on: Thu Jul 13 14:11:44 EDT 2000
  
  Thanks for the Besame link, RR.
  
  Naveen, how about this - Most of the times I read people's questions right out of their brains and try to answer ASAP. Only when your
  antennae are down, I use conventional
  electronic media!
  
  ;)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Thu Jul 13 17:18:28 EDT 2000
  
  Heard of Daud theme ? There comes a statement in it " We need a beat" - I heard the same in the song which was played in the Background of Silk stalkings on Wednesday (jul 12th) midnight. Any others who noticed ?
  
  Now this should not be considered "ayyE" :-)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Thu Jul 13 17:24:35 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya - are you a new DFer ? :-)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 38.169.77.68) on: Thu Jul 13 18:23:04 EDT 2000
  
  MS,
  The caveat is meant for newcomers who may mistake me for a newcomer due to my infrequent posts. Just trying to avoid any kind of fan club solicitations, that's all.
  
  
• From: Unmai Virumbi (@ 134.113.203.137) on: Fri Jul 14 10:17:21 EDT 2000
  
  Thanks buddy
  
  So how you guys feel about this new MD Mr.Srikanth. To me he sound more like his father,nothing fantastic,but a good effort I would say. Friend did you read the latest news at Satyam online saying 'Uvanikku Vairamuthu Tata'
  hope this link works... Poor Yuvan Raja..:(
  http://tamil.satyamonline.com/movies/content/FullStory.asp?news_code=uvan-jul13&langcode=tamil&news_code_num=1
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com) on: Fri Jul 14 12:00:28 EDT 2000
  
  Happened to see Annamalai yesterday (on DVD). Throughout the movie - Deva's songs, BGM etc. sounded so familiar and Rajaish. IF you ask me to point a finger at a particular song and give you the source, I probably wont be able to. I was wondering if somebody knowledgeable would be able to quantify this type of intangible copying somehow. I dont think it is inspiration nor is it a direct copy --- but somehow I "know" when I listen to the stuff that it is totally not original ...
  
  
• From: prabu (@ ip113.minneapolis16.mn.pub-ip.psi.net) on: Sat Jul 15 00:15:54 EDT 2000
  
  A SHOCK!!
  
  remember the "Ba ba ba Ba ba bari Ba ba bari" song from Apoorva Sagotharargal..
  
  I heard the same humming from "Beach Boys" troop yesterday in ABC. But it goes like this
  
  Bar Bar Bar Bar bar Ann
  Bar Bar Bar Bar bar Ann
  
  I could never believe this song is a COPY from a western song. hmmm... IR is no exception to this..
  
  
• From: aarpee (@ inh1ts12-qfe0.ims.bt.net) on: Sat Jul 15 08:36:07 EDT 2000
  
  how old is this song?AS song was composed almost 13 yrs back
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ sttl6400gw3poola43.sttl.uswest.net) on: Sat Jul 15 11:10:10 EDT 2000
  
  aarpee,
  beach boys are very very old guys like the beatles.
  
  btw: I have posted this many times here, I will do it again, those words (bha bha) are called as "scats" something like the words "tha dha ree nana" in carnatic music,anyone can use it.
  so I dont think so this is a copy.
  check the other scores in the song, it is out of the world.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sat Jul 15 11:59:52 EDT 2000
  
  But that 'one oclock two oclock" part from the song could have been inspired from Bill Haley's
  "rock around the clock". Link taken from copied songs list.
  
  http://www.moris.ru/songs/my/bill_haley__rock_around_the_clock.mp3
  
  

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