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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: Nazir (@ 172.162.178.231) on: Tue Oct 8 16:49:33 EDT 2002
  
  'Love'is remake of 'Prema'. Revathy and Salman acted in Love
  
  
• From: PP (@ 170.140.251.89) on: Tue Oct 8 16:49:44 EDT 2002
  
  Yes,
  Prema also had another copied song..
  'Aisa bhi hota..' sung by SPB. It was a copy (a pathetic one) of IR's brilliant song 'PoovE SempoovE', one of the IR-Yesudas combo's best songs ever!
  
  
• From: PP (@ 170.140.251.89) on: Tue Oct 8 16:51:06 EDT 2002
  
  I mean Prema's Hindi remake 'Love' had the above copied song.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161) on: Tue Oct 8 23:36:35 EDT 2002
  
  PP
  
  I recall reading somewhere on Karthik S' site that since the list of Anand-Milind's copy from IR is too long..he did not have the time or something like that...maybe you can send in a well compiled list and he can publish that.
  
  
• From: Pradeep R (@ 203.199.12.50) on: Wed Oct 9 00:17:10 EDT 2002
  
  Hi friendz,
  
  The hit song "Vannam Konda Vennilave" from Sigaram - music SPB - is a lift of an old Hindi song. Can anyone give the details? I remember hearing it on DD some years back, but cannot recollect.
  
  
• From: Pradeep R (@ 203.199.12.50) on: Wed Oct 9 00:19:47 EDT 2002
  
  Hi friendz,
  
  The hit song "Vannam Konda Vennilave" from Sigaram - music SPB - is a lift of an old Hindi song. Can anyone give the details? I remember hearing it on DD some years back, but cannot recollect.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.34.7) on: Wed Oct 9 10:13:11 EDT 2002
  
  i have just seen my big fat g w-just look out for the tune in the background when the hero's parents visit the heroine's family for the first time.there are lot of greek tunes in the picture.This one ,note by note,is the first 2 lines of vennilave vennilave-from minsarakanavu.
  
  
• From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250) on: Wed Oct 9 11:36:25 EDT 2002
  
  Yaaro
  That movie had BGMs which reminded me of several songs - maybe to me it sounded very Indian. I even discovered a "Sindhubhairavi" playing quite a few times throughout the movie.
  
  Sorry about the digression
  
  
• From: PP (@ 170.140.251.34) on: Wed Oct 9 12:33:09 EDT 2002
  
  cosmician,
  
  Here's the link to Anand-Milind section.
  http://www.iespana.es/i2fs/hindi-amilind.html
  
  No such announcement anywhere. Understandably, he feels elated when someone brings in a newly discovered copy-act that he wasn't aware of, and adds it to his page right away. IMO, he should list these well-known instances of copies too, for the sake of visitors who frequent his site.
  
  I will be glad to send him a list. Meanwhile it will be great if he states this fact upfront in the AM page (that there are dozens of songs that A-M have copied note-by-note from Tamil and Telugu songs).
  
  
• From: GS (@ 216.123.207.130) on: Thu Oct 10 15:46:09 EDT 2002
  
  PP
  
  I found the following in the preface page of his website. So Cosmician's memory is good :-)
  
  
  "Welcome to I2FS!
  I2fs is simply Inspirations in Indian Film Songs! The motive of this site is straight and simple - to provide a comprehensive page on musical inspirations (mostly subtle and intelligent but sometimes, downright shameless copying!) of Indian film music composers. The list is constantly growing and the most important source of additions is mails from this site's visitors!
  
  Another important factor, is that this site focuses more on inspirations from international sources, rather than from inter-language inspirations in India. So I save considerable web space by not including Anand Milind's inspirations from Ilayaraja and A R Rahman! :-)"
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Fri Oct 11 00:05:52 EDT 2002
  
  I'd be glad to add a list of such instances in the Anand Milind page but its the search for all the related audio clips and editing them to the relevant 'lifted' portions that takes a hell of a lot of my time. I'm sorry but such older and known (at least to me) lifts from regional languages do not excite me enough to work so hard on the audio clips.
  
  But I also understand that the small list under AM does give a lopsided picture of other composers in comparison and makes AM look like one of the most original composers around. So do send me across a list and let me add them at least without the audio clips, to begin with.
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.200.126.94) on: Sat Oct 12 09:23:57 EDT 2002
  
  Friends,
  
  In a recent Prabhu Deva song ' appaa appaa ayyappaa! kaNNula kaasak kaattappaa!', a small bit goes as follows:
  ' en paNam paNam en paNam! oun paNam en paNam!' This resembles an old original Hindi number very closely! :
  
  'goom baraabar goom baraabar...' (I am not very firm on the lyrics though!)
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Sat Oct 12 10:10:12 EDT 2002
  
  Actually there is a tamil song with the lyrics some thing like this "Jim parapara jim parapara jim parapara jim". The new face heroine in KV was the fat child singing the song with a elephant. I used to comment that a small elephant sings for a big one. The tune is eactly the same as un panam panam. The MD for the former is SAR and the latter is Deva. Need any analysis further. lets not bother about the source.
  
  
• From: archivist (@ 152.163.189.230) on: Sat Oct 12 21:48:25 EDT 2002
  
  Nalai mudhal kudikka matten thangamadi thangam rathiriyil thookum varley thangamadi thangam. - great great song by MSV in Needhi, happens to be IR's total inspiration for the song "Pothukkittu poguthadi vaanam athu .... in Paayum Puli. Just check that out.
  
  
• From: av (@ 132.206.52.156) on: Sat Oct 12 22:30:22 EDT 2002
  
  i recently heard a concert recording by U Srinivaas - he played a piece which reminded me COMPLETELY of VJs classic "veru idam thedi pOvaLO". Is this a case of plagiarism by MSV. (I doubt U Srinivas would play a film song in a concert!)
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Wed Oct 16 07:02:43 EDT 2002
  
  archivist :
  That's not a mistake because it happens to be by IR.
  
  
• From: Girish (@ ) on: Fri Oct 25 02:22:31 EDT 2002
  
  The song sung by yesudas "kanavu kaanum vaazhkai yavum" composed by ilayaraja was an old hindi song sung by Manna dey. This was the best copy of Ilayaraja since he copied the song without leaving the humming in the middle of the somg.
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219) on: Fri Oct 25 08:53:04 EDT 2002
  
  Girish,
  
  That beautiful song is from Manoj Kumar's 'Uphaar', with Pran acting it out:
  
  'kasmE vaadE pyaar wafaa sab baatein hain baatOn kaa kyaa! kOi kisee kaa nahin! jootE naatE naatOn kaa kyaa!..... dEtE hain bhagavaan kO dhOkaa insaan kO kyaa chOdengE?...'
  
  'saththiyam (promise), aaNai, anbu, viswaasam ellaam veRum pEchchukkaL! pEchchukkaLukkenna (kuRaichchal!)
  yaarum evarukkum (sondham) illai! poi sondhangaL! sondhangaLukkenna!....ivargaL kadavuLaiyE aEmaaRRuvaargaL! manithanaiyaa vittu vaippaargaL?!
  
  Though the same tune was used in Tamil (neengaL kEttavai), the Tamil song had its own soul stirring lyrics, based on the 'nilaiyaamai of vaazhkkai' and emotion filled picturisation!
  'udambu enbadhu uNmaiyil enna kanavugaL vaangum paithaanE!'
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.77.149) on: Sat Oct 26 09:30:11 EDT 2002
  
  Balumahendra particularly wanted that song to be in his movie.. and am sure IR would hv given him tough resistance for that... finally, the director won.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Mon Oct 28 01:54:00 EST 2002
  
  the song "vaadi yamma vaadi pudhu veththala kondaadee" FROM red has a piece in its II interlude(music as well as chorus) it is almost a straight lift of pallavi of a super hit hindhi song "bekkharaar karkae you(n) na jaayiyae aapko hamarae kasam lout aayiyae" (sung by Rafi, i think), but in faster way (higher tempo?).
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.79.30) on: Mon Oct 28 02:32:16 EST 2002
  
  hey folks... i am told that that wonderful song "Kanmunney ethanai nilavu kaalayiley" from THULLUVADHO ILAMAI's prelude are taken from MLTR (Michael Learns To Rock) album... can any1 confirm???... if thats true, its very very sad. :-((
  
  
• From: Aswathama (@ 68.58.127.57) on: Mon Oct 28 02:43:16 EST 2002
  
  I was watching the movie "University", at one scene a musical piece is being played and students were dancing. That English song played in the movie was ditto "November Madham Nalam Thethi". Our copy king deva now has one more feather to his cap.
  
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.79.30) on: Mon Oct 28 06:46:38 EST 2002
  
  'University' is by Ramesh Vinayakam. :-D... so the statement shd read "Deva has one more to his company".
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.79.30) on: Mon Oct 28 06:52:37 EST 2002
  
  or hey... which movie is that 'November maadham' song? if thats by Deva, then Aswathama, u r right.
  
  
• From: Thiru (@ 63.169.243.35) on: Mon Oct 28 11:16:45 EST 2002
  
  Vj,
  which song are u referring from MLTR album??? The prelude sounded more similar to 'Right were waiting' from Richard marx... 'Wherever you go Whatever you do I will be right here waiting for you' piece...
  
  
• From: aswathama (@ 68.58.127.57) on: Mon Oct 28 22:05:53 EST 2002
  
  November Matham featured in "Red". Ramesh Vinayagam didn't copy the song, its actually a scene where students playing a cd player and dancing for that English song. Deva never be replaced by any one other than
  
  
• From: aswathama (@ 68.58.127.57) on: Mon Oct 28 22:06:04 EST 2002
  
  November Matham featured in "Red". Ramesh Vinayagam didn't copy the song, its actually a scene where students playing a cd player and dancing for that English song. Deva never be replaced by any one other than
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.77.31) on: Tue Oct 29 00:16:21 EST 2002
  
  my friend has now confirmed that the MLTR song is "Sleeping child".. am not sure of which album is that but the way my friend sings it, its damn damn close to "Kanmunney ethanai"... he says the song prelude (piano piece accompanied by that flute-kinda thing) is damn ctrl+c.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Tue Oct 29 01:36:35 EST 2002
  
  I'd be more than happy to find a lift in YSR's (or any other composer's music) but I think MLTR's Sleeping Child has got nothing to do with TI's Kanmunney.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 208.237.178.229) on: Wed Oct 30 11:49:15 EST 2002
  
  I was listening to this song by Rod stewart, Maggie May (The best of Rod Stewart 1976) in launch.com, to my surprise, i felt i heard the interlude somewhere, then found it is Pulveli, pulveli,... pani thuli... from Aasai song.
  
  
• From: selva (@ 172.182.233.216) on: Thu Oct 31 04:47:08 EST 2002
  
  http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/articleshow?artid=26840494
  
  when will this ever hppen in india??
  
  

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