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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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Note: You may want to refer to the list of raga based film songs before posting a query.

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• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ sf-dnpqh-011.compuserve.net) on: Sat Aug 29 07:49:56 EDT 1998
  
  Saketh..."Thoongatha.." is based on Charukesi
  
  
• From: Reva (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Thu Sep 3 23:20:49 EDT 1998
  
  I have just bought a book titled, "nAd - Understanding
  Raga Music", by Sandeep Bagchee. 1998, published by
  Eeshwar, 229 A Krantiveer Rajguru Marg,
  Giragaon, Mumbai - 400 004. The book has
  382 pages and costs Rs. 395.
  
  It is a book about Hindustani muzic. "It is aimed
  at the serious listener, that is someone who may not have
  had any formal lessons himself in the performing
  art, but who, nevertheless, has picked up an
  initial interest in listening to classical music,
  and is therefore, seeking to know more about its
  underlying structure, system and traditions".
  
  On browsing carefully over the book, I find it
  to be excellent, especially for beginners like me.
  At the same time it is sufficiently detailed to
  attract an expert also. Its careful description of
  raagas and raaga swaroopaas
  is particularly attractive. Detailed analysis of
  some important raagaas are given to help a
  beginner see what he/she should look for when
  identifying those raagaas. The book suggests
  appropriate audio tapes that will help the
  appreciation/understanding of various raagaas.
  
  The book has been put together very
  professionally (unlike the typical books on
  Indian Music published in India).
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Fri Sep 4 04:33:04 EDT 1998
  
  Reva: Thanks for the information. I shall definitely keep a look out for this book. Does it also delve into any film songs?
  
  There are some TFM songs which elude me, as they seem to be based on Rare Hindustani Ragas(maybe rare to me, as I don't know much Hindustani music). There are Ragas that are Janyas of Kamaj Thaat (Harikamboji) and the Kaafi Thaat (Karaharapriya), but the actual Ragams remain a mystery to me. Here are some examples of songs like that:
  
  'Meghame Meghame' from Paalavana Cholai
  'Vaana Malai Pole Pudhu Paadalgal' by KJJ - Idhu Namma Bhoomi
  'Kootathile Kovil Pura' - Mohan *rer
  'Uyirum neeye' - Pavithra, Unnikrishnan - Sounds like KamaaJ
  'Sakhiye neethaan thunaiye' - Andhimandhaarai - Unnikrishnan, I think this is a safe KamaaS.
  'Oru Naal Oru Polzuthum' - Andhimanthaarai, sounds like Natakurinji - So far, I believe that no one has found the equivalent Hindustani Ragam for this.
  
  Any help with these will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ sf-dnpqc-027.compuserve.net) on: Fri Sep 4 04:44:28 EDT 1998
  
  There is a book called "Ragapravaham" recommended for students pursuing a degree in music in India.There is not much of theory in it but is organised in a fashion as to easily track down Mela Karthaas and their Janyams. It also has a table of Carnatic Raagas and their Hindustani counterparts. It can be procured at 'Giri trading agencies"...the shop that is close to Kabali Kovil in Madras.
  
  
• From: pg (@ client-116-157.bellatlantic.net) on: Fri Sep 4 06:36:45 EDT 1998
  
  Has anybody had a look at the carnatic cd-rom produced by Sowmya ?
  Is it worth buying ?
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Fri Sep 4 10:28:56 EDT 1998
  
  Sriram: I will also recommend "Raga Pravaham", as it's my main source of information for Carnatic Music. It's the best Raga book I have come across; it's very well presented and easy to reference. I would also recommend Saambamoorthy's Theory books - I-VI.....These are the text books we use to learn theoretical concepts and are excellent - My Father is totally self-taught from these books and he can catch Ragams very easily. Are there any other books you know of for theory, that you can recommend?
  
  pg: Please give me more information on this. Where can I get it? Is it a CD which has a Carnatic program on it, with theory and examples? If so, I'd really like a copy. Thanks for the information.
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Fri Sep 4 10:59:56 EDT 1998
  
  The Carnatic singer Sowmya and another guy hose name I don't remember produced a cd-rom on carnatic music - sort of like an introduction to carnatic music. I don't remember the name of the cd-rom. This was well reported in TN media.
  I am leaving for India today and if I don't end up as shark-feed off Nova Scotia, I shall be back with the cd-rom.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Fri Sep 4 11:20:07 EDT 1998
  
  pg: Excellent that you will get hold of this. If there is any other media like this or the Ragam recognition program that we were discussing, please keep a lookout and keep us informed. It's very much appreciated.
  
  
• From: MSK (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com) on: Fri Sep 4 15:14:08 EDT 1998
  
  Hello Classical Gurus,
  
  I am getting addicted to this song " Kungumam Majalukku .." by IR ( Film : Enga Mudhalali ). I listened to this on Ramasamy's site .. it says the raga is Rathnakanthi.. Any other IR songs in this raga.??
  
  thanks! Thanks a bunch Ramaswamy for putting this song on the net. I would have missed this!!
  
  Man.. This song is a gem.. The interludes and the tune are awesome..
  
  But this song was not popular i guess..
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.140.59) on: Fri Sep 4 22:40:21 EDT 1998
  
  For anything regarding pure carnatic music (non-TFM), we now have a separate forum. Pl go there
  
  http://www-anw.cs.umass.edu/~ravi/df/cmusic/
  
  Have posted something more on Sowmya's cd there. Take a look.
  
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.23.234) on: Sun Sep 6 11:14:03 EDT 1998
  
  Has anybody heard "Ooomai nenjinil sondham idhu oru unmai sollum bandham"? It sounds similar to "Kanmani Nee Vara Kaaththirundhaen". Is it in Malayamarutham?
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ sf-dnpqf-016.compuserve.net) on: Tue Sep 8 01:47:34 EDT 1998
  
  Geetha,
  I tried playing two songs that I know well in your list on my keyboard . "Megame" seems to be Kaafi only not a derivative. "Koottathile" is derivative of Harikambhoji and is called Manohari.The "Carnatic" name for the raga is also Manohari.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Tue Sep 8 06:41:11 EDT 1998
  
  Sriram: When you say Meghame is in KAAFI, do you mean the Carnatic KAAFI, or the KAAFI THAAT(Karaharapriya) of Hindustani music?
  
  Thanks for the Manohari - I think this Ragam also has the name Karnataka Kamaas - I believe that the song - Ponnil Vaanam is in this Ragam too, Ramaswamy has said that this song was in Bahudhari, but I feel it is in Manohari......We can check this out in the US.
  
  See you in California.....We can discuss this further.....Thanks for the information....
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.23.234) on: Thu Sep 10 23:03:16 EDT 1998
  
  Please let me know in what raga is the song "Un paarvaiyil Oarayiram Kavidhai Naan" from "Amman Kovil Kizhakkalae" in? The swara prayoga and the thala seem to be too hindustani.
  
  
• From: Sankaran (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Sat Sep 12 03:20:33 EDT 1998
  
  I think "Un paarvayil..." is based on Hindustani raag yaman(equivalent of Carnatic Kalyani) or some variant of it. I'm not 100% sure of this. Nice if someone clarifies this
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ sf-dnpqf-022.compuserve.net) on: Tue Sep 15 03:24:05 EDT 1998
  
  Murali & Sankaran,
  This song is a toughie, it does have character of Kalyani. There are lots of foreign notes creeping in though.
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ panorama2.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Sep 16 22:07:27 EDT 1998
  
  Was watching Swarnamukhi last week. There is a wonderful song in this movie: "pollaatha maaya kannan engu thoonginaan" (MD: Swararaj), based on Bageshree. Has anyone heard it?
  
  
• From: S Karthigeyan (@ pearl.ge.com) on: Thu Sep 17 08:40:44 EDT 1998
  
  I want to know the ragas used in the following songs of IR, which are wonderful.
  
  Amman pugazhai paada by IR - film KANNATHAL
  Nenjathin Geetham idhu kaadhala - KANGALIN VARTHAIGAL
  Vanna Vrindavanam IR - Malayalam - KALIYOONJAL
  Vaanathu Tharagaiyoo - IR - POONTHOTTAM
  Oru Pattampoochi - KJJ-Sujatha - KATHALUKKU MARIYATHAI
  
  I love the following beautiful songs of IR, Can
  anyone tell me raagas used in the following songs also
  
  Vannamellam Senbagappoo (folk song) film
  NAADODI PATTUKARAN
  Ennai thottu Alli Konda Mangai (SPB Swarnalatha)
  film : UNNA NINAICHEN PATTU PADICHEN
  Ilam nenjey Vaa thendral - KJJ - VANNA VANNA
  POOKKAL
  Theebangal pesum - FILM : DEVATHAI
  Kootukoru Paatirukku Kettukkamma - SENTHAMIZH PATTU
  Em Paatu Em Paatu thavi varum poongatru
  
  Awaiting your response eagarly
  
  I have a hobby of collecting IR songs collections for the last about 10 years. I have about
  100 cassettes of IR music exclusively recorded.
  Those who listen to them would really enjoy his
  oldies, but recording quality is not that much
  good compared to latest CD recordings.
  
  Yours sincere folk
  
  S Karthigeyan
  my e-mail address is
  S.Karthigeyan.geind.ge.com
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Murali sankar (@ 129.252.23.231) on: Fri Sep 25 11:48:18 EDT 1998
  
  "Idhu kuzhandhai paadum thaalaattu" by T.Rajendar and SPB. Is it desh ?
  
  Regards
  
  Murali Sankar
  
  
• From: saketh (@ calloway-a-asy-3.rutgers.edu) on: Sat Sep 26 02:09:39 EDT 1998
  
  Murali shankar,
  
  i think "idhu kuzhandai pAdum thAlAttu" is based on kApi.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Mon Sep 28 10:42:49 EDT 1998
  
  i would always take kApi and dEsh one for the other. i firmly believe that there should be some similarity in the swaras for those ragas.
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.23.232) on: Tue Sep 29 01:59:57 EDT 1998
  
  Thanks for the information/
  
  Another request please:
  
  "Maragathavallikku manakkolam" by KJ "Jhuti Muti mitwa" from Rudali by Lata and "Sree ranga Puravihara" by MS:
  
  Are all in "Brindavana Saaranga"?
  
  

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