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bollywood vs kollywood!!!

Topic started by shwetha (@ 219.65.96.58) on Wed Jan 1 23:26:33 EST 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I feel the Hindi audience, these days, is totally tasteless...seeing the kind of movies made in bollywood! They seem so unbelievably idiotic. And the music...even worse!!! Even lagaan and devdas, i feel were not as great as they claimed they were. Definitely not Oscar caliber :O When Lagaan was nominated for Oscar... we had pop-ups on MSN saying "Ask Spielerg to watch Lagaan"!!!! I mean idhellam konjam over-aa therialay??!! All the Hindi movies ever have is standard-aa one family bzness and a wedding and a holiday some place like NZ, Swiss et al. Tamil movies are far far better in content and music and everything. What do u say?

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• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Feb 12 06:08:14 EST 2004
  
  Even if someone has suggestion how are you planning to convey it the music directors? avanga enna maligai kadai aalungala. Arisi nalla illai. Vera arisi kodunga appadinu solla??
  
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.1.150) on: Thu Feb 12 06:28:12 EST 2004
  
  mir,
  
  thanks for responding in a positive way:-).IMO ARR has never given in his lifetime a pure carnatic or folk no. but IR has given them in pure form aswelas fusing with western music. so excluding totally atleast in some songs is a practical proposition. in some songs atleast let him give us authentic folk or carnatic songs. in the name of his own identity or style let him not miss out tamil identity.
  IR had always been trying to promote tamil music while ARR had always been trying to imbibe western music into us. even when he did BD he only took north indian music to the world while he didnt care for tamil music. but when IR did the BGM score for Bloodstone he experimented with tamil/english fusion music.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.1.150) on: Thu Feb 12 06:35:53 EST 2004
  
  Paran,
  
  if u feel the movies which u ve mentioned r not westernised u need to hav a lesson in basics of music. of these sangamam was based on gazals and sufi music which was wrongly interpreted by many to be tamil folk music.
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.202.26) on: Thu Feb 12 07:45:22 EST 2004
  
  Rajasaranam,
  you are more interested in glorifying IR (but not at the cost of belittling arr), being a self-willed pundit your definition of tamil identity is naive.
  Appadi parthal... Kamal oru interview vil sonnadhu pol "Shirt il button vaipathu mugalaya kalacharam ..tamil identity illai"
  I can tell you songs by ARR in hindi which are completly rustic, but that will infuriate another IR vs ARR thread which i think is not at all needed.
  Do you analyse the technical details of the song everytime if its catchy at the first listen, and then you start to hum?
  Apparam tamil music, aunthentic nature of raagas ithellam patthi Dr.Balamuralikrishna, MS subulakshmi, DK pattamal ivanga ellam pesina IR, ARR, MSV and so many others thozilku muttai kattavendiayathu than.
  
  Romba hard a try pannathinga ARR threads la, ungala offend pannnam nu sollala, just happened to read your other posts.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.1.150) on: Thu Feb 12 08:11:40 EST 2004
  
  jacky,
  athu naan illa thiru aka srinivas ithu madri en perula vilayadittu irukaar:-).
  intha threadla kooda avarthaan pillayaar suzhi potaar naan continue panraen.[ avar unga camp aazhu thaan thiruvaasagam threadla avara thorathi adicha kovathula ippadi ella threadlayum poi en perula post pannittu irukkar. kozhanthai santhosama irukatumnnu vittutaen]
  sure i dont analyse technical details of the song if its catchy at first listen, but it has never happened for me with ARR that i start to hum the songs at first listening. only after a few listenings i start liking them.
  i agree that that shirt buttons,mookuthis, ladies blouse etc., were not tamil's. but can u refute the fact that carnatic music, bharathanatyam, therukoothu,thappattam, thozh paavai koothu,poikaal kuthirai aatam, thevarattam, naadaswaram, parai, pambai, urumi, yaazh, muzhavu,veenai etc., are tamils cultural belongings?
  ive already pointed out that IR is an exponent in both authentic and fusion music.Dr.BMK, MS ivangellam IR pathi enna solraangnnu therijittu pesunga. Semmangudi srinivasa iyer bedroomla IR oda photo irukurathu ungalukku theriyuma?
  definitely u can tell me songs by ARR in hindi which r completely rustic but give me one such tamil example. athu madri avar ithuvaraikkum compose pannathae illa. ithathaan naan matra isai nam mel thinippunnu solraen aana avar namma isaiya veliya kondu poga maataar. yaen namma isai avalo kevalama?
  
  
  
• From: * (@ 161.114.64.74) on: Thu Feb 12 08:26:28 EST 2004
  
  LOL@Ferrari!:-)
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.202.12) on: Thu Feb 12 13:14:37 EST 2004
  
  Rajasaranam,
  nenga illana unga kitta peserathu easy.
  
  > avar unga camp aazhu thaan......
  i dont belong to ARR camp which bashes IR, i listen to all MDs, nenga than IR campla erukinga , if you find me posting a lot of about ARR thats because i love most of his songs, but that doesn't prevent me from repeatedly listening Elangatru vesuthey, Sandiyare sandiyare and kombula pova sutthi.
  > sure i dont analyse technical details of the song if its catchy at first listen, but it has never happened for me with ARR
  Even Vennilave from MinasaraKanavu, Snehidane ... AP? Yenge enathu kavithai? or vennalvil theril from duet?
  
  > ive already pointed out that IR is an exponent in both authentic and fusion music.Dr.BMK, MS ivangellam IR pathi enna solraangnnu therijittu pesunga. Semmangudi srinivasa iyer bedroomla IR oda photo irukurathu ungalukku theriyuma?
  I am ready to accept IR is a master crafter in both forms of music, but i can also identify the genius in ARR.
  Theriyum, IR was a student of SS iyer, also nenga ARR evalo mattam thatringa, Pandit hariprasad churasia ARR pathi enna sonnar theriyuma.
  Ellai ARR pathi authentic musicians ethuvumey sollaliya? ;)
  RS, this is a far-fetched argument, please understand the context to which i quoted this example.
  >ithathaan naan matra isai nam mel thinippunnu solraen aana avar namma isaiya veliya kondu poga maataar. yaen namma isai avalo kevalama?
  Isaila yethu thinipu? Nalla eruntha audience ketkaporange, ella na gaali, nalla erukara vishayatha namma eppadi thinipu nu sollamudiyum?
  Saxophone is not a tamil instrument but athukaga Duet songs mattamava eruku?
  ARR pure carnatic songs compose pannalai nei vechupom, avar matra isai mix panrathu avar style ah erulalam, is it fair to call it a flaw if it is his trait?
  My point is i have heard so many carnatic devotional numbers but only very few have caught my fancy like dr.balamuralikrishnas pebarey rama rasam and a few more.
  but i do hum pirai vantha vudam nilla vantathena from KK, its more easy for me and people like me - who dont have formal training to understand the nuances, so ithula avar 80's la ippadi pannar ivar ippadi pannale nu solli atha oru heinous crime ah pesarathu film music la unnatural.
  Stage kutcheries intha grammar is appropriate.
  >aana avar namma isaiya veliya kondu poga maataar. yaen namma isai avalo kevalama?
  In how many hindi movies did the script permit him to use tamil musical instruments or carnatic raagas?
  
  
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.3.33) on: Thu Feb 12 14:02:21 EST 2004
  
  jacky,
  
  hmmm.. nevernnu solli irukka koodathuthaan. neenga point out panna songs oda innum konjam songs immtly enna mesmerise panni irukku.
  #Isaila yethu thinipu? Nalla eruntha audience ketkaporange, ella na gaali, nalla erukara vishayatha namma eppadi thinipu nu sollamudiyum?
  * intha nalla irukundratha pathi thaan ippa arguementae. nalla irukundra ellamae society kku nallathuthaana? sila paerukku nalla irukaennu solli thappikka mudiyaathu. yaenna sila paerkku rape panradhu, kolai seirathu, kollai adikarathu koodathaan nalla irukum. aana societynnu onnu irukku athukku enna seiyya poromdrathu romba mukkiyam. for EX., ippa lanjam kodukarathu ella mattathaliyam society yaethukichu athukaaga athu nallathunnu solli legalise pannidalama???? Udit narayanan tamizh kolai pannittu irukaar itha tamizhnadae rasichadhu athunala athu correctnnu sollidalam????so society yaethukira ellame eppavumae nallathunnu solla mudiyaathu.Nichayama ARR isaiyila north indian music matrum western music thinippu namma mela irukku.Audience ketkaraangalennu Unarchiyulla tamizhargal summa irunthuda mudiyathu.
  #ARR pure carnatic songs compose pannalai nei vechupom, avar matra isai mix panrathu avar style ah erulalam, is it fair to call it a flaw if it is his trait?
  * vechukka ellam mudiyaathu avar ithuvarikum appadi compose pannala athuthaan nijam.kandippa ithu avaroda thought process lla irukira flaw thaan. western music mela avarkirukira moham tamil isai meethu kidaiyaathu. itha oru heinous crime thaaan. tamizharagal intha madri aangila mogathula irunthu vidupadum varaikum ithukaana porattam vevuru thalangalil nadanthu kondae thaan irukum.namathu isai matrum panpaatin koodavae aangilatha yaethukirathundratha vaera aana aangila moham mattum kondu thiriyaranthudrathu vaera.
  #In how many hindi movies did the script permit him to use tamil musical instruments or carnatic raagas?
  * appadinna inga avar isaiamaitha ella padangalilum script western matrum north indian musicaa allow pannucha enna?????tamil folk pathi pesara sangamam padathukku kooda avar gazals base pannithaan music podanuma enna???? illa mothamma then tamizhnattupurathulla nadakura 'karuthamma' padathukku kooda avar western music kalakanumma enna????
  compare these movies with IR's contemporary compostions like naatupura paatu, kummi paatu, veera thaalattu etc.,ithathaan authenticity naan solraen. athukaaga IRoda western music kalantha compositions eduthuttu avarum senjurukaarnnu sollatheenga. avar thaan rendum senju irukarnnu naan yaerkanavae sollitaen.
  
  
• From: paran (@ 202.172.56.56) on: Thu Feb 12 20:57:01 EST 2004
  
  rajasaranam saar...my whole point in asking all these STUPID questions is just to make u realise....
  
  whatever u enjoy, may not necessarily enjoyed by others, and whatever u hate may not be necessarily hated by others too...
  a simple example...
  u would love the way ur mom or ur wife cook sambhar....but for me...my mothers sambhar is the best in the world....but do u think it's fair for me or u..to comment on each other's taste?...
  NOPE...
  and sad to say..but that is what u r trying to do!.
  
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.3.28) on: Fri Feb 13 01:41:54 EST 2004
  
  Paran,
  
  enna saar intha questionukku thaan naan yaerkanavae answer pannitanae. pona postla jacky kku nalla irunkundratha pathi naan kaeta kelvilgala thirumba padinga.
  
  

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