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why people hate illaiyaraaja-an example

Topic started by kumar (@ 61.11.74.10) on Fri Sep 28 09:10:07 EDT 2001.
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read a.v.ramanan's interview.he tells how illaiyaraja curtly silenced him.very pathetic to read.

http://thirai.ambalam.com/

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• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Fri Oct 5 09:41:13 EDT 2001
  
  He is the only person who is not giving in to the lures of the west.
  -- oh apidya, was western classical...made in india.
  
  Srikanth, i want to point out one small thing in it. i think you missed reading the tailpiece Btw, read “west” as “western/modern techno music” and An occasional Agni Nakshathiram or Anjali is certainly welcome.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Fri Oct 5 10:04:52 EDT 2001
  
  IMHO,
  
  I feel sorry for AVR for not getting a chance to sing in films esp. in IR's music that too a duet with UR. It is understandable.
  
  IR could have given a solo, background type song in a film if duet with UR was not possible in terms of story/situation(or whatever) is concerned.
  
  Mind it, here I am not blaming IR. I am aware of the fact-of-cine-world called "MDs rejecting aspirant singers" in atleast a few times of their(MDs') carrier. It all goes. It is like in a situation a Manager doing for his/her subordinate; a leader doing for his/her disciple. Its all part of any given professional life.
  
  But in case of AVR its slightly bit more pity factor. But as srikanth says inspite of happening of what AVR says IR had given chance for UR and AVR continued to adore and sing IR songs.
  
  I think we should see that event and their otherwise relation seperately. We should also keep one thing in mind -- the context to/in which AVR is in while making those statements. The course of interview could have made him to tell his aathangam(sorry could not recollect correct english word).
  
  As I said the otherwise relation between these two has been very good implies that there was no grudge in AVR's statement.
  
  Then a question rises "Why then, AVR and others are saying such kind of statement that could go against IR(even though it might not be intensional) that too when IR's position in TF is abysmal?"
  
  One possible reason is:
  1) AVR was also raising/budding when IR was raising and now AVR is a sort of vetran in his field and the interview could be more or less a Malarum ninaivugaL. So he pointed out one of his "failures" in his career.
  
  2) Media reachability is too much nowadays when compared to "till late 80s". So a sequel of "naan vandha padhayai thirumbi parkiraen" kind of interviews where having little scope during that days and only positive things could be stated.
  
  3) As i stated earlier, in 80s and all IR was at his peak and even after that incident likes of AVR would have had hopes in their mind to sing in his(IR's) films and such a statement, even if in non-offensive and only a aathanga statement could have caused heavily. So "adakki vasichifying" would be a better idea during those times.
  
  Whatever I have told is a point of view of third person who sees AVR's side(ofcourse not blaming IR). Same kind of such unavoidable but non-offensive points would be there in IR's side also.
  
  So it is all good if we think once and twice and read between those lines before we could air our esteemed opinions.
  
  All IMHO
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Oct 5 10:06:56 EDT 2001
  
  Kupps,accepted!...the reason for my outpour was
  overall this thread was created was 2 reasons..
  
  1. Another chance to Criticize IR
  2. Trash people who Criticize IR
  
  basically music takes a last row if not thrown out of the bus. I wanted this thread should be closed.
  
  
• From: uma (@ 141.14.139.162) on: Fri Oct 5 10:12:23 EDT 2001
  
  When IR can consider Bhava, who has got neither emotions nor talent in singing, he could have considered AVR too!
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Fri Oct 5 10:13:50 EDT 2001
  
  gosh! whenever(after) i type such kind of long postings ie. about 80% of my postings ;-), i feel koundamani of Udhaya Geedham is coming to me and saying -- "rambam arukkaadha po".
  
  But yenna panRadhu piravi gunam :-)
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Fri Oct 5 11:38:40 EDT 2001
  
  Srikanth,
  
  There is no need to close this thread when there is a good discussion without fight. Let us discuss in same healthier manner.
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Oct 5 11:56:39 EDT 2001
  
  Ragavan sir :),
  can you please tell us what to discuss ?
  
  one group thinks they are loyal to IR and one grous thinks they have one more support to trash IR. frankly this thread does not make sense to carry this long other than verbally trashing each other.
  
  
  
• From: nvd (@ 203.106.211.254) on: Fri Oct 5 12:57:48 EDT 2001
  
  I think (and agree with Uma) that Bava is lacking expressions. Take Anuradha Sriram for instance, she did a marvelous job in 'Karupputhan' song. The way she rendered the song is what actualy gave it fame. If I am not mistaken, you will not mistake me. Thnx.
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 131.193.208.242) on: Fri Oct 5 14:44:11 EDT 2001
  
  The argument that "If IR can give a chance to Bhava, why cant he give it to AVR?" seems to be watery and vague. I think its a decision that is made by MD and its purely his own choice.
  
  Can someone critize any movie director as to why he chose one particular artist and not someone else to be in a role?
  
  The choice of artists need not be objective and optimal. The decision includes a lot of subjectivity, is based on judgemental abilities and is also subject to personal preferences.
  
  AVR is talented and he has every right to approach IR or any MD to sing. And IR has every right to choose any tom, dk and harry over AVR if he feels so.
  
  Rather than turning this thread into another blood-shedding battleground between IR fans and others, it may be worthshile to discuss why AVR hasnt been able to sing much in TFM despite his talent!
  
  
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.129.199) on: Fri Oct 5 14:47:36 EDT 2001
  
  sriks,
  I actually wanted to post only the song-part but later thought it was to be supported by some junk so that DFers like me could understand better:-). My intention was only to give an idea of what I think IR is as of “today” (as the 1st sentence says) Neengalum control illaama, kovathula misunderstand pannipangonnu ninaikala:(. Anyway, I understand that most of it was an outburst of ur anger but just wanted to clarify a few things so that I am not gravely misunderstood.
  
  -- who is to blame here ? ....the directors..you got to be joking.
  “the directors” is purely ur assumption. Also, don’t tell me that the directors were “not at all” responsible and they did not have any (ego) problems. If they wanted a perfect score, something out of the world, for their not-so-perfect ventures maybe that was over-expectation. I maintain that IR always gave their the films its due, quality-wise, if not more. More than these directors’ rejection, I value his acceptance by RPO and Hungarian PO. Their acceptance should be telling us about his better side. He had certain problems, agreed. but I can see that he is a better person today.
  
  -- oh apidya, was western classical...made in india.
  I think Kupps clarified. Thanks Kupps:-)
  
  -- this is someones growth, dont degrade it,.
  I didn’t mean to degrade anybody (be assured, I won’t stoop to those levels, at least, not intentionally!) What they did could have been a welcome had it been an occasional. But it turned out to become a trend which they seemed to encourage and were part of and I believe that it has been harmful to our society in a major way (read, in more than one way). Even IR’s Agni Nakshaththiram and Anjali were modern but i
  feel they were more indianised-filmi-western compositions.
  
  Coming to singing, today many are critising the anglised/englishised tamil pronounciation and music. I feel it all started in a major way because of these people. If u feel otherwise, we’ll leave it at that. (And pl. don’t conclude that I am fully averse to anything and everything that is western:-)).
  
  -- simply He did not, he cannot, he has a serious problem,
  I get that u have taken eden’s correction in this regard. It is a fact that he has not praised others much in public. Accept that he is that kind of a person (not media-shy, but does not like/want much media attention on him…he wants and welcomes media attention given to his music!!) Also, he never complained that those people did not praise him either. His only complaint was about peoples’ changing taste for (distasteful/less tasteful) music and his music not being recognised as a result of that.
  
  Also, added to this is the fact that he is from a rural background. Convent school la padichi elite/class circles la vaLarla. He did not grow in a classy/posh environment and was not surrounded by very well educated, MBAs/Business Managers and other clever, sophisticated and/or business minded people (koncham overaa!!?:-)). So, he has got a rustic side. He is not very sophisticated in that sense.
  
  Sriks, I don’t think I have trashed anyone. I think u have resorted to it by the way u have written/questioned abt IR. I can understand ur preference of ARR’s music to IR’s. But ur outburst only justifies more the last stanza of my earlier posting:-) I think u can improve on that. Sure, u wld take it in the right spirit.
  
  (although there is only a difference of 1 letter in the way our names are spelt, there seems to be a lot more difference in our thinking…which is why somebody said “what’s in a name”…think it was Kalidasa:-))
  
  Whatever it is, isn't it surprising that nobody gave AVR a chance thereafter!?
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Oct 5 14:53:20 EDT 2001
  
  ks, you did not read my next postings, i cleary told my side.
  
  one group thinks they are loyal to IR and one grous thinks they have one more support to trash IR. frankly this thread does not make sense to carry this long other than verbally trashing each other. I told the same thing some time ago, it is just an opinion of AVR, leave it there.
  but artist trahing went on!...forced me get into offense.
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Oct 5 14:55:29 EDT 2001
  
  Rather than turning this thread into another blood-shedding battleground between IR fans and others, it may be worthshile to discuss why AVR hasnt been able to sing much in TFM despite his talent!
  
  chandy ...clap clap..clap..clap..
  yes that would be better.
  
  

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