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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 3: Thaththuvap Paadalgal

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Wed Jul 15 19:13:39 EDT 1998.
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For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but
a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just Thaththuvap Paadalgal
for this thread.

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Responses:

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• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate6.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Mon Jul 20 12:51:12 EDT 1998
  
  peeso... It is sure that "VaN-dhaN-aaL mudhal..." should be a thathuvap padal. It is also consider for "Science" related paadal.
  
  one more example like this
  ondru engaL jathiyE ondru engaL N-eethiyE...
  
  this song can be treated as "Pruratchi/Samudhayap"- paadal + "Thathuvap Paadal" + "Science Related" paadal..
  
  the lines....
  aadhi manidhan kattai azhiththu N-aatai akkinan....
  ......
  andru manithan veNinavil thErai ottinaan
  varum N-aaLai manithan Ez ulagai aaLap pokiran....
  
  This lines for Thathuvam also and also for Vingyanam. That is KaNNathasan.
  
  EngE Vigyanthaiyum, Thathuvathaiyum, Kadhalaiyum,PuratchiYaiyum iNNaikka vENdum enbadhu Muthaiyavukku N-angu theriyum. Aanal MuthuvO idhil kottai vittu viduvar..
  
  Mannikavum.. edhO vaathap prithivaadham pola thondralaam. indha vErupattai sollavittaal iruvaraiyum Tholakolidamudiyadhu...
  
  ...mElum pala paadalgaL varum....
  
  
• From: Raghavan (@ 166.37.105.63) on: Mon Jul 20 18:43:27 EDT 1998
  
  What abt 'Paluthi Valatha Kili' from Gauravam?
  
  Song 'Paramsivn Kaythile pamba...' Don't know the film name.
  
  Also the song 'Nainapathalam Nandhavittal.. from 'Nenjil Oru Alayam'. That song had a great impact on me.
  
  I was glad to see the lyrics of 'Vazhya Ninaithal'. Great job! That song is a personal favorite
  
  Songs from 'Andavan Kattalai' also have some amt of 'Thathuvam' in it?
  
  I am not sure whether these songs contribute to the discussion.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-04.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Mon Jul 20 19:02:51 EDT 1998
  
  Raghavan the songs u have mentioned are not tamil songs...sorry
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Jul 20 21:13:15 EDT 1998
  
  Ramki, aempaa ippadi lollu? Aedho Thanglishla konjam thadumaaruraar Raghavan, athukkaaga ippadippoattu avarai imsai panriyae gnyayama?
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-18.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Mon Jul 20 22:34:06 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya nalla pattai ippidiyellaam kodumai panna
  eppidi chumma irukkardhu?:))
  Raghavan songskkoda interestinga irukku
  
  'paluthi'valatha kili'adhavadhu pazhudhi enbavar valaitha kili
  
  'paramsivn kaythile pamba'-paramasivan thalaiyail ganga endraal,avar 'kaythile'(kazhuthile)pamba nadhi
  
  Nainapathallam nandhavittal-naina paathallam nan dhavi vittal
  
  vazhya ninaithal - adhavadhu vazhiya ninaithaal
  
  andavan kattalai-adhavadhu short form of kandavan kattalai
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate1.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Tue Jul 21 11:15:01 EDT 1998
  
  Ramki, enna idhu....
  Sariya, idhu sariya????
  Just kidding...
  
  
  
• From: Raghavan (@ 166.37.105.63) on: Tue Jul 21 12:12:32 EDT 1998
  
  I never learnt Tamil as a language. I just listen to a lot of tamil songs. My intention was just to contribute my mite to this DF. I'll probably stick to reading DF.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ dante.cs.wmich.edu) on: Tue Jul 21 12:33:08 EDT 1998
  
  Raghavan i sincerely apologise if i had hurt your feelings...please do contribute
  
  Im sorry again
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-pa072.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jul 21 13:29:59 EDT 1998
  
  Raghavan:
  I'm glad you enjoyed the vAzha ninaiththAl vAzhalAm song lyrics I'd posted. My posting also includes one verse from ninaithadhellAm you'd mentioned, starting with engE vAzhkkai thodangum.
  
  The song you've mentioned from ANdavan kattaLai is one of my favorites amaidhiyAna nadhiyinilE Odum.
  Yet another example of philosophy in a love song by Kannadhasan.
  Some of the lines which talk about the need for flexibility in life at times:
  thennai iLam keetRinilE thAlAttum thenRaladhu
  thennaidhanai sAiththu vidum puyalAga varum pozhudhu
  AtRangarai mEttinilE Adi niRkum nANal adhu
  kAtRadiththAl sAivadhillai kanindha manam veezhvadhillai
  
  Back later....
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-pa072.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jul 21 13:37:40 EDT 1998
  
  Oh, another philosophical song from ANdavan kattaLai is ARu manamE ARu andha ANdavan kattaLai ARu. Can't recall the complete lyrics, unfortunately.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Jul 21 13:37:56 EDT 1998
  
  Raghavan, please don't take offense. This symposium has become like a research paper that everybody has been so academic around here. Ramki saw an opportunity for some kindal and went for it. I have great admiration for anyone who shows interest in a language not their own. More so, your selections were so appropriate that one wouldn't doubt your prowess in Thamizh. Please do continue, we are just trying to infuse some lighter notes in this thread. That's all. Please continue to contribute, if you participate for awhile you will know that friendly taunting is just a show of comradery.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Jul 21 13:44:44 EDT 1998
  
  Grammar check: in a language not their own should have been in a language not his or her own
  Great, I just brought back the academic feel to this thread. Do you guys feel we are ready for conclusions in this topic? Let me see a show of words and I will start the 4th topic in this symposium. I feel we're losing speed here.
  
  
• From: Chandramouli (@ alpxy3.att.com) on: Tue Jul 21 13:50:49 EDT 1998
  
  Hey Guys:
  There is this one song from Pazhani which goes like
  "Annan ennada thambi ennada avasaramaana ullagathile". Iam not sure about the lyrics. In one of the Kumudham which was edited by MSV there was a mention about the background of this song and as to the situation why Kannadhaasan wrote this
  
  
• From: Raghavan (@ 166.37.105.63) on: Tue Jul 21 14:40:18 EDT 1998
  
  Back again!. What abt that song from Alayamani? That's the song in which the word "alayamani" comes in '... Budhhi kettathada' ? Another one from 'Padikatha Methai' - 'Ore oru orile ore oru Raja'?
  
  This song 'Veedu varai oravu Viddhi varai manavi .... Kadasi varai yaro' Can anyone tell me what is the name of film? I'm guessing it is MSV & Kannadhasan, right?
  
  Do the above come under 'Thaththuvap Paadalgal'?
  
  Ramki: No offense taken abt the kindal on my tamizh. My friends mercilessly rag abt the tamizh I speak.
  
  
  Udhaya: It would be nice to post/summarise the list of songs (say ten) for VM and Kannadhasan. There might be disagreements abt the choices. But a consolidation at the end of each topic may be interesting.
  
  
• From: Raghavan (@ 166.37.105.63) on: Tue Jul 21 14:53:31 EDT 1998
  
  One more song, I just remembered. Remember that song from 'Thai solla thatadhe'. MGR sings a song in a disguise of an old man. Can anybody recall that song?
  
  Maybe, I am asking for too much. Can anybody post the complete lyrics for 'Veedu varai uravu' song (Provided it comes under
  Thaththuvap Paadalgal, of course)
  
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-3.cisco.com) on: Tue Jul 21 18:20:53 EDT 1998
  
  Raghavan
  
  Probably you are refering to :
  
  oruvan manathu onbathadA..
  athil oLindhukidappathu eNbathadA..
  uruvaththaip pArppavan manithanadA
  athil
  uNmaiyaik kANbavan iRaivanadA
  
  Its a good thaththuvap pAdal by Kaviyarasar.
  
  
• From: ethir_katchi (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 22 03:44:19 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  ungal pAttu "vAza ninaithAl vAzazAm" linesil
  Kannadasan says BE HOPEFUL to makkaL with...
  
  pArkkath therindhAl pAdhai theriyum
  pAdhai therindhAl payaNam thodarum
  payaNam thodarndhAl kadhavu thiRakkum
  kadhavu thiRandhAl kAtchi kidaikkum
  kAtchi kidaiththAl kavalai theerum
  kavalai theerndhAl vAzhalAm
  
  same Kannadasan has given the oppoiste also
  sometimes true. In life, there are times
  when one can't do anything more about the
  problem/situation at hand and has to stay
  still/content with what is there and leave
  the rest to VIDHI or GOD....
  
  kadal meethu vizunthOrgaL neenthungaL
  kani meethu vizunthOrgaL uNNungaL
  vazip pAthai kaNdOrgaL sellungaL
  POGA VAZI INDRI NIRPAVARGAL NILLUNGAL
  kal tharail kai pOttu neenthungindra, manithA!
  kAlam itta kattaLaiyai mARRuvathu eLithA !!!
  
  ikkaraikku akkarai pachai endRum
  ikkaraiku akkarai pachai
  illAtha poruL meethu ellOrkum Asai avarum
  
  song from Akkarai Pachai...sung by MSV
  
  
• From: eesob (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 22 03:49:04 EDT 1998
  
  kutti kathaigaL moolam thathuvam solvathum
  Kannadasanukku kai vandha kalai...
  
  As Ragavan mentioned, "orE oru oorilE orE oru rAja"
  is a good example.
  
  another one is from Shanthi Nilayam...
  
  kadavuL oru nAL ulagaik kAna thaniyE vandhArAm
  kaNNil kaNda manitharai ellAm nalamA endrArAm
  oru manithan vAzvE kodumai endrAn
  oru manithan athuvE inimai endrAn
  padithavanO udanE sirithuvittAn
  
  anbum pAsamaum nAn thanthathu
  kAsum paNamum ingE yAr thanthathu ??
  
  paLLik koodam sellum vazil kadavuL nindrAnAm
  pachai kuzanthai sollum mozil-il thannaik kaNdAnAm
  .....
  magiznthu mEl ulagam sendrAnAm
  
  Another kathai example mentioned by Ragavan is from Sooriyakanthi
  (in the movie it is song by Kavinjar himself)
  
  paramasivan kazuthil irunthu pAmbu kEttathu
  karudA sowkiyamA ?
  yArum irukkum idathil irunthu koNdAl ellAm
  sowkiyamE karudan sonnathu
  athil artham uLLathu.
  
  vaNdi Oda sakkarangaL irandu mattum thEvai
  antha iRandil ondRu sinnathendrAl
  entha vaNdi Odum ??
  
  
  Another kutti kathai to children as well as the
  generation GAP paRRiya song is from Bama Vijayam
  
  varavu ettanA selavau pathanA
  athaigam reNdanA
  kadaisil thunthanA!!!
  
  Appa (TS BalaiyA)
  vAdagai sOba
  
  Sons (Nagesh, MuthurAman, Major)
  irubathu roobA
  
  Appa
  vilaikku vAnginA ?
  
  Sons
  muppathE roobA !
  
  
  thanga sangili iraval vAngurA
  thavarip pOchunA thagida thanthanA!!
  
  kuzanthaigaL:
  nilamaikku mElE ninaippu vandhAl
  nimmathi irukAthu
  AiyyA nimmadhi irukkAthu
  
  aLavukku mElE Asai vandhAl
  uLlathum nilaikkAthu
  ammA uLLathum ninaikAthu
  
  yAnaip pOlE poonaiyum thinnA
  jeeranam AgAthu ammA
  jeeranam AgAthu
  
  marumagalgaL:
  vayasukku mElE ulagathil uLLa
  nallathu pidikkAthu, mAMA
  nallathu pidikkAthu
  
  vayasup piLlaigaL puthusA
  perisA vAzvathu poRukkAthu APPA
  vAzvathu poRukkAthu...
  
  see the complete song in Tamil (MURASU) at
  http://www-anw.cs.umass.edu/~ravi/ppp/varavu_ettanaa.html
  
  
  
• From: annanukku_thambi (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 22 04:00:00 EDT 1998
  
  Ragavan:
  
  Annan ennadA thambi ennadA from pazani
  songs line...
  
  annan ennadA thambi ennadA
  avasaramAna ulagathilE
  Asai koLvathil artham ennadA
  kAsillAthavan kudumbathilE
  
  manitha jAthi-in thuyaram yAvumE
  manathinAl vandha nOiyadA
  
  vAzum nALillE kootam kootamAi
  vandhu sErgirAr pAradA
  kai nanaidha veetilE udaintha pAnaiyai
  mathithu vandhavan yAradA
  
  paNathin meethuthAn bakthi endRa pin
  pandha pAsamE enadA
  pagaikkum nenjinai aNaikkum yArumE
  annan thambigaL thAnadA
  
  
  Kanchana :
  ungaLin 6 manamE 6 pAttu...
  
  ARu manamE Aru antha Andavan kattaLai ARu
  sErnthu manithan vAzum vagaikku theivathin
  kattaLai ARu.
  
  ondrE solvAr ondrE seivAr
  uLlathil uLLathu amaithi
  ibathil thunbam - thunbathil inbam
  iRaivan vagutha niyathi
  SOLLUKKU SEIGAI PONNAGUM
  VARUM THUNBATHIL INBAM PATHTHAGUM
  
  uNmaiyai solli nanmaiyai seithAl
  ulagam unnidam mayangum
  NILAI UARUM POTHU PANIVU KONDAL
  UIRGAL UNNAI VANAGUM
  uNmai enbathu anbAgum perum
  paNivu enbathu panbAgum
  
  Asai kObam kaLavu koLbavan
  pEsa therintha mirugam
  anbu nandri karuNai koNdavan
  manitha vadivil theivam
  ithil mirugam enbathu KALLA manam
  uyar theivam enbathu piLLai manam
  
  

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