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thiruvasakam in symphony

Topic started by Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 67.83.146.59) on Mon Apr 7 15:33:24 EDT 2003.
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http://www.thiruvasakaminsymphony.com/v_eng.htm#8a

Official audio release from Ilaiyaraaja.

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• From: app_engine (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Fri Aug 20 12:02:25 EDT 2004
  
  Osho, this confession (from this year's national award winning MD) may be of interest, reproduced from another thread:
  
  From: Ehsaan (@ 202.68.134.72) on: Wed Aug 18 23:50:32 EDT 2004
  
  
  Hi Manny its kind of difficult to find scores of our music as most of it is on the computer and we are not very good at score reading or writing
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 151.148.60.180) on: Fri Aug 20 12:58:55 EDT 2004
  
  There are two things which are important ..
  1.These days ,music composers and musicians rely on most on read ymade stuff ( just like programmers rely on advanced easy to code languages than use c or c++ ) ..As a result there is little scope for the music director to write or read scores.....Using computer toprogram teh music is defintely an easier way ....The composer has to just to concentrate on what he has to compose than how he needs to communicate the score ...
  
  2.Secodnly the genuine intrets in western classicla may be a bit lesser when compared to yesteryear composers ..Thi si also because teh projects do not demand challenging Background scores ....
  
  
  
• From: pathan (@ 204.114.53.254) on: Fri Aug 20 14:03:41 EDT 2004
  
  Father Jegath,
  I read the vikatan article.
  
  The value of your service is not measurable. You are not just going to add good values to the society by TIS effort, but also going to be an example for a good person.
  
  Exxxxelent.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Fri Aug 20 14:13:23 EDT 2004
  
  Folks ..please read the Vikatan article. I installed the font and then read it. It is great to know the amount of effort IR is expending on this. He normally never rewrites his score, but for thiruvAsagam he seems to feel he needs to challenge himself. It costs lots of money, but I think it is worth paying that to all the talented technicians of the west, so that this work is impeccably not only musically, but technically as well. Surely, we need to make some effort on nominating this for some category in Grammy.
  
  
• From: Nattamai (@ 65.19.174.35) on: Fri Aug 20 22:34:27 EDT 2004
  
  kiru:
  
  --- I think it is worth paying that to all the talented technicians of the west, so that this work is impeccably not only musically, but technically as well.
  
  Yes, I think this is the first time IR has gone for a good technical crew (Sound engineer Richard King etc..). He should have done this long time ago (I mean from 1992-93) for his tamil albums. I hope he does something in this department for his future tf albums.
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 151.148.60.180) on: Fri Aug 20 23:21:09 EDT 2004
  
  Nataamai ,
  
  Thuttu thalivaa ...IR charges 5-15 lakhs while richard King charges near 50 lakhs or more !!!!
  
  
• From: SSSSAV (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Fri Aug 20 23:43:29 EDT 2004
  
  Who told you, Mr. M.Ramki?
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Sat Aug 21 00:13:27 EDT 2004
  
  Cant believe that the same IR who is so meticulous in his choice of world-class musicians playing for his symphony can be so compromising when it comes to choice of singers. Iam hoping that Paavathaarini doesnt spoil all of IR's efforts with her amateurish singing.
  
  SSSA, what are the publicity efforts being undertaken prior to release of TIS? So far, except for the Vikatan article is anything being done about it? Any updates on this?
  
  
• From: Osho (@ 203.197.136.34) on: Sat Aug 21 02:19:07 EDT 2004
  
  app_engine,
  Bang on target. I saw the message from Ehsaan on that thread and thought to my self, if this is the case of music making, then any one can make music isnt it?. And to be frank, i dont give a damn to them, they are confined to a small circle where their only level of musical understanding arising out of south is only of a particular MD.
  
  Writing scores, should be appreciate,promoted and published for the whole world to appreciate the composers talent. I would really like NBW, HTNI? and TIS to be published thus, for the universe. It seems now that more westerners are beginning to listen to HTNI? than we indians :)
  
  
• From: cacaphonix (@ 4.16.76.175) on: Sat Aug 21 02:47:33 EDT 2004
  
  Student 1: ramanujan is a math genius. he cracked complex math probs.
  
  Student 2: oh yeah u see he can repeat 24 tables by heart aint he a genius. i betcha no math guy of current clan can even repeat 16 tables esp. in this computer n calc age. oh man this knowledge of ramanujan has to be worshipped.
  
  Student 1: (to himself) oh! god gimme a break i'm talkin 'bout greatness of that genius and this guy is going gaa gaa about his quote from memory ability. wud u explain this guy about his misplaced appreciation?
  
  God: u betcha i aint wanna be branded
  
  
• From: Gyan (@ 4.158.114.162) on: Sat Aug 21 10:07:08 EDT 2004
  
  It seems Fr. Jegath became clear as to why IR is what he is, when IR said he is going to rewrite something already perfect. IR crosses his own lines, his own perfection, that is how we are able to enjoy so much music, so much in it and expect so much more.
  
  cacaphonix: for indisputable genius, memory levels and other mechanical skills of the mind is linked to the highest creative talents, they are not separate. so, if Ramanujan did not have memory "power" or IR could not write notations, there would've no math and music of the most beautiful levels today. these 2 have defied all limits, no questions in their mechanical skills as well.
  
  Osho, there are amny composers who gave beautiful songs without knowing music even. it is a fact. but, their consistency, prolificity and diversity will be very limited.
  
  SSSA, is there a possibility of releasing a book on the process of the making of Tiruvacakam? sometime in the distant future at least?
  
  
• From: Rasika (@ 195.229.241.184) on: Sat Aug 21 10:26:58 EDT 2004
  
  cacaphonix,
  
  Any "dogmatix" will tell you what Ramanujam was all about! It wasn't about his memory power!! Far from it!
  
  Do you know he is considered a genius for many reasons, the primary reason being his substantial contributions to the analytical theory of numbers and his works on elliptic functions, continued fractions, and infinite series?
  
  I suggest you read up about the genius before making such sarcastic statements.. Look at the URL below to see the works of people influenced by Ramanujan's Math Journal.
  
  http://www.kluweronline.com/issn/1382-4090/contents
  
  The same applies to acknowledged geniuses like IR, who incidentally also looks a lot like Ramanujan!
  
  There's a saying in Tamil: "NiRai kudam taLumbaathu; kuRai kudam koothadum!"
  
  Also, I am reminded of the "Tamil Crabs" story!
  
  
• From: Gyan (@ 4.158.114.162) on: Sat Aug 21 11:03:48 EDT 2004
  
  Rasika, is this journal by Alladi Family, Chennai?
  
  
  kiru:
  
  --- I think it is worth paying that to all the talented technicians of the west, so that this work is impeccably not only musically, but technically as well.
  
  ..............Yes, I think this is the first time IR has gone for a good technical crew (Sound engineer Richard King etc..). He should have done this long time ago (I mean from 1992-93) for his tamil albums. I hope he does something in this department for his future tf albums...............
  
  Nattamai:
  
  This is what is called Global Understanding and Respect. IR has taken a powerful step in involving talents of other nations (Hungary, USA, India, Britain, Japan, etc...) in the process helping one another appreciate one another without prejudices or superiority complexes. Shyamalan, IR tells nations around the world India is not just a hot place where you eat with your right hand and wash off with the left hand, (as far as I know, it will be really "cool" to do that in a large tech seminar in Las Vegas) but also we have great music that flows unlike Chennai corporation water, but like a endless river, and that water like comes from the "hairloom" of Lord Siva (Tiruvacakam) ;---)
  
  The way IR is going to Globalize this world, you ain't seen nothing yet, folks.
  
  
• From: prabhudas (@ 140.251.171.216) on: Sat Aug 21 12:31:54 EDT 2004
  
  Hi folks,
  
  "Sumar 40 page varaikkum TIS kkaga Maestro music , dhinamum kaalaile 6.30 le irunthu 9 varaikkum sila naazh ezhudittu, oru naazh kaalai, Father innum nalla idhukku isai ezhudaalam nnu athanai pages yum trash il pottuttaram IR"
  (personal communication, from one of our other TFMDFer) I heard about it before the AV article, my immediate reaction was
  How often has IR done this?
  ayyo antha pages ai yaaravathu porukki eduthu eppayavadhu isai vadivathule eduthu vandaal , who knows what an amazing score those discarded notes would have turned up too?
  
  Let us all pray for the success of this great project.
  Long live Maestro and his music
  
  Prabhudas
  
  
• From: MumbaiRamki (@ 151.148.60.180) on: Sat Aug 21 12:53:18 EDT 2004
  
  SSSAV ,
  Those figures are defintely not accurate ,may not be even near .But my emphasis was we cannot use Rcihard King for all IR tamil movies ..!!
  
  
• From: SSSSAV (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Sat Aug 21 13:29:39 EDT 2004
  
  Dear all,
  It is really heartening to see the rejevenated enthusiasm flowing from every corner, now that the TiS has convinced people that it is no longer a myth but a reality! Thank you all for your interesting takes on this.
  M.Ramki, I didn't mean to criticize you but only request you not to throw in any negative comments without any facts to back up. I agree with you that Mr. King cannot be a proposition for IIR's Tamil movies. But, again, this is what we have been stressing from the beginning [it is almost an year now!] that TiS is not any Virumaandi nor Pithamagan! Its perspective is too large to comprehend but we can asssure you all that this is something DIVINE you haven't encountered and is a life time 'vELvi' from that genius called IIR!
  Every effort to publicize, popularize and promote this great milestone in the annuls of Indian and world music is being worked out meticulously and we only assure you that we will not fail in our duties.
  Please follow tis-usa.com website very closely for next couple of weeks for interesting and exciting updates.
  Also, PLEASE GIVE A FINAL PUSH BY DONATING ONE MORE TIME,IF YOU CAN!
  YIA!!
  
  
• From: cacaphonix aka Kupps (@ 4.16.76.175) on: Sat Aug 21 14:52:15 EDT 2004
  
  >>>>>>>>>
  for indisputable genius, memory levels and other mechanical skills of the mind is linked to the highest creative talents, they are not separate. so, if Ramanujan did not have memory "power" or IR could not write notations, there would've no math and music of the most beautiful levels today
  >>>>>>>>>
  Gyan,
  
  definitely. i agree with your pt. mine is not demeaning the memory power/score writing skill. if u read my comments once again u wud get it. For being genius one might need these quality but that should not be the reason to be cited as being genius. many a times i see some IR fans give too much importance to his writing down skills. For measuring the genius this shouldn't be the yardstick. If that is the case almost all of the Indian Classical Music greats would be disqualified. IR's this virtue is an additional point to his greatness, not the main point.
  
  

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