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Lyrical abaththams

Topic started by cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on Thu Aug 3 12:24:35 EDT 2000.
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i was listening to "mellap pesungal" from "kasedhaan kadavulada". it goes "mellap pesidavo pirar ketkakkoodaamal". does this word exist in tamil? isn't this an example of lyrical abaththam? pls correct if wrong.

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• From: sk (@ 137.132.2.109) on: Fri Aug 4 20:29:41 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya:
  
  Perhaps the lyricist wrote it as
  maNNavaLE maNNavaLE.
  
  
• From: Neel (@ 207.155.140.27) on: Fri Aug 4 22:27:58 EDT 2000
  
  Ramki,
  I think this is what GA wrote:
  
  men mana-gangaiyil sangamikka
  (ennidam) pangu vaikka
  pongidum paNbenum poompunalil
  bOdhaiyilE manam pongi niRka
  (paNbinAl) thangi niRka
  kAlam ondrAi chErAdhO
  
  If you see the usage/non-usage and combination of words it is actually a creative expression of illicit love, lust, restraint and helplessness.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 207.0.105.152) on: Fri Aug 4 23:06:12 EDT 2000
  
  on varaathu vantha naayakan - even if the second line is ivan thalaivi naayakan, it's redundant. naayakannnu sonnavudanE thalaivikkum naayakannu thaanE artham? thalaivi naayakanaa illaama, villikkaa naayakanaa iruppaan?
  
  mannavaL etc. are legitimate words. e.g. kambar uses mannavai in plural
  
  
• From: e (@ 61.1.250.243) on: Sat Aug 5 00:25:34 EDT 2000
  
  I wrote in an earlier VM thread, `muththa nivAranam' (mudhalvannnnE0 is an abaththam:-)
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 12.78.209.3) on: Sat Aug 5 00:58:54 EDT 2000
  
  There is this song in 'Kodi parakadhu'.
  
  "Selai kattum pennukku oru vaasam undu kandadhunda kandavargal sonnadhunda"
  
  vaasam - kandathunda does not go well together. Relating smell with vision. Unless there is really
  cool meaning behind this, it looks like an abatham
  to me.
  
  
• From: csg (@ 202.144.64.4) on: Sat Aug 5 04:05:58 EDT 2000
  
  rajesh the song selai kattum pennukoru vasam kandathunda means oru penn selai kattumpothu avalukku oru vasam varum yaravathu atha kavanichirukengala-the word kavanichirukengala is meant as kandathunda,IMHO this is what the kavingar is trying to say in the song(actually i did not see any vasam in a girl wearing saree,sathiyamaga,unmayaga,nichayamaga.)
  
  
• From: SL (@ 63.253.226.40) on: Sat Aug 5 04:39:51 EDT 2000
  
  Rajesh, just like you said 'it looks like an abatham to me'. It should have been 'sounded like abatham to me ':-)))).
  thaNNeeril moozhgaathu kaatruLLa panthu
  YennOdu nee paadi vaa sinthu
  
  
  Marupadi pirakkum unakkoru ....thai
  uraippathu geethai from illakkaNam maaruthO. The last line by KD is only a filler and close to being an abaththam.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: VM (@ 193.188.124.130) on: Sat Aug 5 06:05:40 EDT 2000
  
  Rajesh,
  
  Mookkal vAsam "pidikka" mudiyum-na, vAsam kandukoLLavum mudiyum :-)
  
  
• From: cram (@ 202.9.174.84) on: Sat Aug 5 06:21:33 EDT 2000
  
  kk,
  i agree with u on the redundancy part. i suppose redundancy can qualify as abaththam, can't it?
  
  
• From: cram (@ 202.9.174.84) on: Sat Aug 5 06:27:49 EDT 2000
  
  chandy,
  i specifically avoided mentioning the muqabla-type songs because they simply don't merit discussion, it's a waste of time trying to locate meaning in them. but several "pure tamil" songs contain lines that sound good because of the tune, but on closer inspection, seem to be abaththams. that's what i wanted to highlight here. in the process, i have also learnt where i went wrong.
  take "poovil vandu koodum". VM writes "paatham meethu modhum, athu paadum suprabhaatham". sounds good, certainly, but what does it convey?
  
  
• From: cram (@ 202.9.174.84) on: Sat Aug 5 06:28:42 EDT 2000
  
  csg,
  maybe u should have taken a closer look at the girl in the sari:-)))
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 194.149.80.1) on: Sat Aug 5 07:01:44 EDT 2000
  
  cram., Ithaiththaan 'kaNdu'koLvathu enkiRaarkaLoo ? ;-)
  
  SL., 'ThaNNeeril Moozhkaathu KaaTRuLLa Panthu' paTRi naanum appadithaan ninaiththeen., But ForumHub-il oruvar athaRku oru nalla viLakkam koduththaar. Forgot his name.
  
  KaaTRuLLa Pandhai., thaNNeeril moozhkadikka mudiyaathu., Athu polathaan en kaathalum, Eththanai idainjchal vanthaalum vidaathu unnaik kaathalippeen., Ennoodu nee paadivaa sindhu - Ithu sariyaay irukkiRathaa ?
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Thoduvaanam (@ 63.21.172.24) on: Sat Aug 5 08:59:08 EDT 2000
  
  Great! Does VM/whoever wrote this, know this explanation?
  
  
• From: Anand (@ 147.225.33.101) on: Sat Aug 5 11:56:03 EDT 2000
  
  Makkale,
  
  For God's Sake, do not try to make any meaning
  out of VM's lyrics. VM already claims his lyrics
  have scientific info, if he comes to know all
  these interpretations for his abathams (like
  kaatrulla panthu, vullurikkum vervai, ...), he'll start using them more. Then, even God can not save us :)
  
  - anand r.
  
  
• From: SR (@ 205.252.144.27) on: Sat Aug 5 19:36:59 EDT 2000
  
  Response to Mellapesungal -
  pirar ketkakoodamal is absolutely fine . koodamal means something not happening - like in kai koodamal poivittathu.so this means no body can hear what i tell u - as u know this is a combi.of words like koodaamal and ketkaamal.it is acceptable.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 24.128.190.210) on: Sun Aug 6 01:03:40 EDT 2000
  
  Wow! A very interesting thread...pala idangaL sirippai varavazhaiththana....
  
  Another abatham (noted in Kumudham's Arasu BadhilgaL):
  
  nalam nalamariya aaval - UN
  nalam nalamariya aaval
  nee ingu sugamE
  naan angu sugamaa...?
  
  -- 'nee ingu sugamE'-vukkum 'un nalamariya aaval'-ukkum ethanai muraNpaadu! Idharku arasuvin badhil: "kavinyargaLin balam karpaNai, balaveenam logic!"
  
  cram, about that song neela niram...I didn't see any abatham there! I took it like this (even when I first heard that song):
  
  The heroine's eyes are soooooo blue (like someone said "saavu kaLai"?:))) that the hero wonders if that has gone out to spread over the sea and the sky!
  
  Another anecdote...
  
  when Kannadhaasan was questioned during a program on AIR about the the line (capitalized) in the song "naan oru kuzhandhai nee oru kuzhandhai...ORUVAR MADIYILE ORUVARADI" (how is it possible?), it seems that he just plainly quipped back saying "if you can accept 'nilavu pOndra mugam' and "muthup pOndra parkaL" then why can't you accept this?
  
  But, I very much feel that "oruvar madiyilE oruvaradi" is highly possible, what do you say? :))
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 24.128.190.210) on: Sun Aug 6 01:13:29 EDT 2000
  
  Ramki, the song "Raasathi Manasula" will make more sense if you had seen the movie! But, even after that you'd wonder if it could be written better! But one thing's for sure, lyrics nowadays make us all "deep" thinkers!
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Sun Aug 6 04:17:58 EDT 2000
  
  karthi,
  i don't see any problem with "oruvar madiyile oruvaradi" either. muthalil kaadhalan madiyil kaadhali, piragu vice-versa. ippadiye maththi paduththakalaam illayaa:-)))
  when we try to interpret lyrics literally, these are the problems that could arise.
  
  similarly, the song "madi meethu thalai vaiththu vidiyum varai thoonguvom". eppadi mudiyum? oruvar madiyile innoruvar thoongalaam, rendu perume ore nerathile thoonga mudiyuma? secondly, why would lovers talk about sleeping, unless they mean sleeping with each other? (limittai thaandareno?:-))] or is it that they are so tired of singing duets that they just want to crash:-)).
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Sun Aug 6 04:20:10 EDT 2000
  
  i still don't get the "neela kangal" fundas. because there's another MGR song that goes "neela nayanangalil oru neenda kanavu vanthathu". seththa kaLai ulla kangalil kanavu varuma, illai intha paattu abaththama?
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 64.244.43.5) on: Sun Aug 6 09:53:45 EDT 2000
  
  cram aen lovers thoonga mattangaLa?:))
  
  madi meedhu thalai vaithu vidiyum varai thoonguvom
  maru naaL ezhundhu parppom
  
  Let us just cuddle up without doing anything physical and let us see what happens the next morning
  
  malligai malargaL mannile
  mangala kungumam nenjile
  pongiya meNi aNaippile
  ....azhagile
  
  When we wake up we see jasmine flowers on the floor and your bindi is smeared on my chest
  
  But kadhali says
  
  irave irave vidiyadhe
  iNbathin kadhaiyai mudikkadhe
  seval kurale koovadhe
  serndha uyirai pirikkadhe
  
  
  Indha aNaiipil sugam tharum irave vidindhu vidandhe naangaL idhe aNaippil kaalam muzhudhum kazhikka vendum..
  
  avargaL aNaithu thoonguvadhaal ratha ottam badhikka padugiradhu..adhaan kadhalan solgiraan
  
  vaiyin sivappu vizhiyile
  malar kan veLuppu vizhiyile
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  I cant recall the last 2 lines now
  
  btw 'naan oru kuzhandhai nee oru kuzhandhai' was written by Vaali?I think all songs in padagotti are was penned by Vaali
  
  
• From: RV (@ 24.12.35.27) on: Sun Aug 6 12:03:10 EDT 2000
  
  I always used to get bugged with the lines "Neyyoorum Kanagatthil Kai Kattum Maane". Please, can someone apply their imagination and come up with an explanation?
  
  
• From: RV (@ 24.12.35.27) on: Sun Aug 6 12:07:17 EDT 2000
  
  I heard this song recently in the MSV-TKR legends cassette.
  
  "Singarap Punnagai Kandale Podhum Sangeetha Veenaiyum Edhukkamma?"
  
  Sangeetha Veenai is liked for the music. Why would punnagai replace music? Maybe something like "Mangatha Mazhalaiai Kettale Podhum Sangeetha Veenaiyum Edhukkamma" would hv better. Even Thiruvalluvar wrote "Kuzhalinidhu Yaazhinidhu enbar tham makkal mazhalai chol keladhavar". He didnt write "Kuzhalinidhu Yaazhinidhu enbar tham makkal azhagu mugam kanadavar!"
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 64.244.43.6) on: Sun Aug 6 13:47:25 EDT 2000
  
  Neel that was an interesting interpretation of
  'ennuLLil aedho'-thanks
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 64.244.43.7) on: Sun Aug 6 16:04:22 EDT 2000
  
  Recent chartbuster 'karuppu thaan enakku pidicha kalaru' VM writes
  
  saami karupputhaan
  saami chilaiyum karupputhaan
  
  
  VMkku eppidi kadavuLin niram therindhadhu?:)
  
  
• From: SAAMI (@ 142.194.156.84) on: Sun Aug 6 17:08:40 EDT 2000
  
  Ramki:
  
  VM knows that because I told him so :-))))
  
  
• From: nakkeeran (@ 209.206.70.10) on: Sun Aug 6 20:11:30 EDT 2000
  
  ramki, VM probably thought about 'karuppu samy' while writing that line :)
  
  
• From: nakkeeran (@ 209.206.70.10) on: Sun Aug 6 20:13:50 EDT 2000
  
  the obsession with blue-eyes might have come from the west, unless we know of any such usage in our literature.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 194.149.80.1) on: Mon Aug 7 00:00:38 EDT 2000
  
  1. "Neeyoru Kuzanthai...' is by Vaali, Not Kannadasan
  2. 'Karupputhaan enakku pidichcha color' is by Pa.Vijay, Not VM.,
  :-)
  NagaS
  
  

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