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Musical Merits &Demerits of IR and ARR [Only for fans, not fanatics!]

Topic started by V (@ 147.129.99.180) on Thu Jul 17 16:26:37 EDT 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

To bring our healthy/unhealthy discussion on music merits and demeits of IRR and ARR out of the Thangar Bacchaan thread I starting this thread so that it would be more appropriate.

I expect people who post here to be fans and not typical fanatics. Expecially the young ARR fans and the "Theevira" Raja fans

Thanks!

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• From: Whatever (@ 203.131.109.66) on: Wed Jul 23 22:07:41 EDT 2003
  
  Jag, that is very well put and I agree with you - even at the risk of offending some people. Your assesment appears pretty objective to me, but then I am a great IR fan. :-) Jokes apart, you have put your finger on the nub of Raja's creativity - his nonchalant way of weaving different musical forms and yet retaining the basic structure of the song. An object lesson in composing.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 203.164.47.53) on: Thu Jul 24 06:39:40 EDT 2003
  
  V..
  i dont find vs music is like arr music. deva, vs, S.A.Rajkumar, Sirpi, ysr, manisharma all following IR's footsteps although they have their own style. using latest instruments doesnt means arr style. even ir will use latest instruments in his new movies. PPl who follows/followed arr style is ranjit barrot, HJ, dimman, suresh peters, and agosh.
  
  
  
• From: Vatsa (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Thu Jul 24 07:44:52 EDT 2003
  
  Hi,
  
  I feel as I earlier pointed out, its ARR doing alot of music nowadays he does not concentrate on his strength of improvising stuff instead he gives it to someone to do things like pravin mani,
  which maybe the problem lately for ARR instead of others. I dont think others have taken music to a new level that ARR struggles to cope with the new trend. All are doing similar kind of music to ARR, so being a trend setter he should cope with this easily. So it should ARR not concentrating on his plus.
  
  Vatsa
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Thu Jul 24 09:56:29 EDT 2003
  
  I was thinking on this topic
  Music Merit/DeMerit:
  IR: Composed for too many movies in a very short time
  ARR: Composed for too less movies in a very long time
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.9) on: Thu Jul 24 10:19:05 EDT 2003
  
  thx JAG,
  
  iam not a musical expert and wud luv to hear more abt Raaja frm all u people.
  
  MIL,
  
  thats a nice topic and lets talk on that.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.125.142.128) on: Thu Jul 24 10:53:39 EDT 2003
  
  jag, though i got your msg, just to highlight, instead of calender year, you should post as # movies, or even better # of songs. Can others be compared then???
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Thu Jul 24 12:10:53 EDT 2003
  
  Rajasaranam,
  which topic are we talking about?
  
  
• From: rajasranam (@ 210.214.128.85) on: Thu Jul 24 14:51:11 EDT 2003
  
  MIL,
  
  I WANTED TO EXPLORE ON THIS TOPIC U MENTIONED
  I was thinking on this topic
  Music Merit/DeMerit:
  IR: Composed for too many movies in a very short time
  ARR: Composed for too less movies in a very long
  time
  
  like do we hav any figure on IRs total no. of movies or non-film albums etc.,
  even the site Raajangahm.com doesnt giv a comprehensive figure
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Thu Jul 24 16:20:45 EDT 2003
  
  yeah.. good idea, but probably i suddenly stumbled up on the topic, but that was a point i was putting forward in this discussion MUSICAL MERITS/DEMERITS IR, ARR..
  
  RS:
  I surely have to look into it, b4 i come up with some bad statistics. Give me the weekend time. and thank you for making me MIL..
  
  how do i start a topic in newtfmpage, if you can do it, will be gr8...
  
  I will send you my email id to you.. if you dont mind.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.135) on: Fri Jul 25 17:57:27 EDT 2003
  
  MIL,
  
  sorry for responding late, i was not into web last day.to start a topic in tfm page u can follow this link and post ur query.[ i wud've done it, but i didnt know exactly wat ur queries are . so itd be nice if u do it].
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/forum.html
  
  BTW i dont mind u sending me mails.mail me at saranam75@sify.com
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ ) on: Sat Sep 6 14:43:42 EDT 2003
  
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  From: paran (@ 203.123.16.112) on: Thu Aug 28 22:00:08 EDT 2003
  
  rajasaranam...i am not knowledgeable in Music....like MIL..
  but I feel....South Indian Music...are still raw...and can only be enjoyed by certain group of people....if any fusion were to be involved...it has 50-50 chances of appealing to others...
  
  where as Hindustani's music...is not raw anymore i think...it has been into fusion for years...and so..another composition with fusioning the music is not a shock to anyone..and so...doign it has more % of success...
  
  this is IMHO...
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  Paran,
  
  going by ur own statement if tamil music is raw then its the easiest one to do fusion with. but, as its not so, and Tamil music is much developed and complex that its difficult to do fusion with. IMO ARR is naive in these kinds of fusion and doesnt attempt to do that, so he will be spared frm strong criticism. while IR is an exponent over these kinds of stuff and does it with much ease. jus listen to his songs like 'adiyae manam nilluna nikakthadi' or a small portion frm the song 'meendum meendum vaa' in the second interlude where the music flows frm classical 2 folk 2 western.
  
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.131.197) on: Sat Sep 6 14:45:31 EDT 2003
  
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  From: V (@ 147.129.97.244) on: Thu Aug 28 23:42:32 EDT 2003
  
  In ARR's words,
  
  South Indians are very open and they will appreciate many music forms. nortth indians on the other hand are very narrow-minded and they will not like any thing new to th eir culture. this is the reason it is hard totake our typical tamil music to these folks.
  
  
  It is very simple than this. ARR chooses to do the kind of music that is suitable for fusion. HE feels tamil music is too pure for random musical experimantation. His job is to do music and not to be a linguistic fanatic saying i am tamil i want to p[romote tamil and all that.
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  V,
  
  I differ with u. Tamizhs r more culturally opposed to other cultures corrupting ours be it language, music or anything. this has been proved again and again historically by we tamizhs.( it may be a case of misunderstanding by u i meant tamizhs while saying south indians) while others including andhra,karnataka and the norths r more open and wud not mind much if their cultures r mixed up with other kinds.u can understand this by the acceptence of western pop music into the norths culture while we hav shunned it in TN. An MD who tries to fuse various musical forms need not be afraid of the purity of the form, while the final content is the one which justifies his attempt in fusing. Promoting ones own culture in the world platform need not be adjudged as fanaticism. its a common complaint made by the likes of u whenver we speak abt tamizh and promoting it. its something like when one says he loves his mother than he will be termed having Oedipus complex.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.131.197) on: Sat Sep 6 14:47:18 EDT 2003
  
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  From: Ranjith (@ 128.253.117.16) on: Fri Aug 29 15:48:54 EDT 2003
  
  rajasaranam
  
  great that you all agree to leave this thread alone.
  
  But V and Paran were answering here only because u said things like ARR fans were celeverly avoiding answering your question. Yiur question by the way was very silly! hmmm why ARR does not take tamil to rest of the places? WHat is he a political enthusiast who says tamil veeran tamil moochu or something or a music composer?
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  Ranjith,
  
  well anyone need not be a political enthusiast to promote his culture. he need not say having tamizh moochu or he is tamizh veeran. BTW he need not even say having Indian moochu or Indian veeran. he doesnt even need to say iam Human also. appuram enna mayithukku vazhanum. In the movie Gentleman there's a dialogue " namma saagum bodhu intha samugathukku ethavathu senju vachuttu poganum, atleast oru marathayavathu nattu vaikanum" another one frm Devar magan " maratha vacha odana pazham sapdanumnu nenaika mudiyumo, innakuu naan vaikiren, naalaikku nee sapduva, appuram on magam, athukapram avan magan, ana vedhai naan potathu. ithellam namakku perumaya? kadamai."
  nai kooda thaan vazhuthu, pezhuthu, saguthu! manushana porantha samuga akkarai venum. verum panam mattum pothathu. nee onnum vanathula irunthu goothichi varala. onakku music kathu kodathu intha samugathukku nee enna mayira panna????
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.139) on: Sat Sep 6 15:23:41 EDT 2003
  
  what did ur IR do for the Tamil society sir????? do u know biryani is served at ARR's place for the poor ppl. of chennai????? where did IR take Tamil to with songs like "Kokka ra ko kozhi"..... see man this is alll crap.... did bryan adams promote Canada in his albums??? so he is not gr8 or wat???? u have to help ur land at the time of crisis and should not let it down in front of aliens........
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Sat Sep 6 23:50:24 EDT 2003
  
  Maddy
  What nonsense is this? I thought you would not get boiled down with this provocations, yet another diversion...
  Still Pamela Anderson wears Under-wear which is made of Canada flag, though Kid-Rock is a great american patriotic guy!!!! this is called Patriotism...
  Just loosening up the Discussion guys.. never mind.
  
  IR surely did not do anything for Tamizh Society.. coz look at him poor guy, he does symphony, never gets released. He did so many movies, but what, he cannot and never will get close to earn like ARR. He will be never appreciated by a commercial giant like AW, coz he is not hip..
  Who cares about quality... that is IR's Merit, his quality is his downfall.... and btw IR's is doing only South-Indian films, what does IR know about music?
  So as an IR fan and who grew with it should i be ashamed Yes.. to be politically correct or incorrect.. ARR rulezzz....
  and I go to sleep with a IR song...
  
  Take it easy and let us continue discussing the actual merits and demerits of their music composing styles.
  
  
• From: naansense (@ 68.77.146.17) on: Sun Sep 7 00:23:23 EDT 2003
  
  i have something to say here:
  
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