Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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- From: haris (@ 206.103.12.125)
on: Thu Jun 4 08:39:31 EDT 1998
the song 'Ninnarul tharum Annapoorani..' from Athma is based on the raga 'gowda mallar'. It sounds similar to the carnatic song 'sArasamuki sarasavAhini nee chAmundEswari ...'
- From: shyam (@ 192.147.35.56)
on: Thu Jun 4 10:55:41 EDT 1998
"NallathOr vINai seythEn" song has come in different raga's in TFM.
1. varumaiyin niRam sikappu
2. EzAvathu manithan
3. marupatiyum
Among all 3 I like 2 very much. Can you tell the raga of that song and the raga Bharatiyar has mentioned for that song.
- From: S.Suresh (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net)
on: Fri Jun 5 01:31:16 EDT 1998
Hi Murali and Hari,
I have always been thinking that Ninnarul is based on Suddha Saveri. Hari, are you sure it is GowdaMalhar? Maybe I should listen to it once more.
- From: haris (@ 206.103.12.125)
on: Fri Jun 5 02:40:22 EDT 1998
Suresh,
I'm not that much informed about the swaras and all that techo of that the raga. But i said it was 'gauda mallAr' because the first the lines of both the song ninnarul tharum anna poorani and sArasamuki sarasavAhini sound exactly the same and the later i'm sure is gauda mallAr
- From: murali (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com)
on: Fri Jun 5 08:39:27 EDT 1998
Suresh: Even I was thinking Ninnarul is based on S.Saveri because of the similarity between this song and 'Kadhal mayakkam'.
Haris: Thanks. Looks like 'Gauda mallar' is a rare ragam. Do you know any Carnatic musicians given 'sArasamuki sarasavAhini' in a cassette or CD?
- From: haris (@ 206.103.12.125)
on: Fri Jun 5 09:19:03 EDT 1998
Murali...
yes. T.V. Sankaranarayanan has sung it in a cassette the cassette company is 'keerthana' 'll give more details if you want.
- From: raja m (@ ww-tj03.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sun Jun 7 16:37:16 EDT 1998
Can any one tell me the ragam of the carnatic song - charana kamalaitthai arai nimida nera - probably made famous by Mani Krishnaswamy? - if my words are incorrect correct me.
- From: Sankaran (@ webgate0.mot.com)
on: Mon Jun 8 06:50:25 EDT 1998
Chandramouli:
"Putham pudhu poo poothathu" from Dhalapathi is based on hamsanandi.
- From: Veera Akkoor (@ 1cust159.tnt2.det2.da.uu.net)
on: Fri Jun 12 21:28:37 EDT 1998
Mr Murali and haris even before TV.Sankaranarayanan (his uncle ) Madurai mani Iyer has given a CD of the song Saarasa mukhi.
It is the CD named "Gaana Kaladhara Madurai amani iyer".
I doubt whether putham pudhu is based on Hamsanandhi. Cause, Vedham from Salangai oli and Kaalaiyum Neeye from Then Nilavu are based on Hamsanandhi.
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.219)
on: Sat Jun 13 18:55:53 EDT 1998
it seems that IR in his speech in malaysia had said that 'maalayil yaaro' from chathriyan was actually inspired by 'khilte hain ghul yahan' from sharmili by kishore kumar.i could notice the similiarity in raga.are they both based on sudha dhanyaasi?
- From: haris (@ 206.103.12.125)
on: Mon Jun 15 02:23:33 EDT 1998
suresh & murali,
though i thougth 'ninnarul..' (aathma) is in gowda mallAr, arun in the following link says, it is in sudha sAveri.
http://www.biomed.uakron.edu/users/arun/ci7.html
There may or may not be a minute diff. between GM and SS...
- From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224)
on: Mon Jun 15 05:59:10 EDT 1998
Haris
Gowda malhaar and Suddha saveri sound very similar; technically the difference should be minimal, I guess. If anyone knows (hindustani experts!) the scale, pl post.
"saarasamukhi" was a composition by Harikesanallur Muthiah Bhagavathar. Indeed this hindustani raagaa is known to carnatic circles thru this kriti. Being descendents of Harikesanallur's parambarai, Mathurai Mani Iyer (and now TVS) used to sing it often.
- From: arun (@ pm062-01.spindler.wmich.edu)
on: Mon Jun 15 17:39:48 EDT 1998
maha rajapuram santhanam has sung the song sarasa mukhi in his casettes.please do mail me if u need it.i shall look up the difference beery much between gowdamallar and sudha saveri.i dont think they are close.let me check.please call me at 616 387 5730.i am very much untrested to speak to people intrested in mcarnatic music. mail you soon the details.
- From: Hari (@ ts10-8.slip.uwo.ca)
on: Mon Jun 15 19:01:21 EDT 1998
Karnatic Gaud Malhar (no connection to the Hindustani ragam of the same name) is a derivative of Shankarabharanam. And it resembles sudha saver. Its scale is:
Sa ri2 ma1 pa dha2 sa
Sa ni3 dha2 pa ma1 ga3 ri2 sa
(according to Raga Nidhi by Subba Rao, this ragam does not have pa in the descent. I guess that is a variant.)
I think the Aatma song is in Sudha Saveri.
- From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224)
on: Mon Jun 15 22:11:33 EDT 1998
Thanks for the clarification, Hari. Maybe it's
similar to the case of Karnatic Kapi and Hindustani Kapi.
Do you know the scale of Hindustani Gowda Malhaar?
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.135)
on: Tue Jun 16 03:35:59 EDT 1998
i was lietening to 'kanna varuvaya' from manadhil
urudhi vendum in gowri manohari.in some plaves it sounded similiar to 'chinna chinna vannakuyil' from mouna raagam.is the second song also based on the same raaga?someone pl. clarify.
also is 'maalayil yaaro' from chathriyan influenced by 'khilte hain' from sharmili based on sudha dhanyaasi?
- From: venky (@ 206.103.12.125)
on: Tue Jun 16 08:22:21 EDT 1998
Please tell me the raga of the song 'rukku rukku' from the film avvai shanmugi.
- From: venky (@ 206.103.12.125)
on: Tue Jun 16 08:22:38 EDT 1998
Please tell me the raga of the song 'rukku rukku' from the film avvai shanmugi.
- From: venky (@ 206.103.12.125)
on: Tue Jun 16 08:23:04 EDT 1998
Please tell me the raga of the song 'rukku rukku' from the film avvai shanmugi.
- From: shyam (@ 192.147.35.56)
on: Tue Jun 16 09:50:11 EDT 1998
"NallathOr vINai seythEn" song has come in different raga's in TFM.
1. varumaiyin niRam sikappu
2. EzAvathu manithan
3. marupatiyum
Among all 3 I like 2 very much. Can you tell the raga of that song and the raga Bharatiyar has
mentioned for that song.
- From: murali (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com)
on: Tue Jun 16 10:19:29 EDT 1998
Hari and Veera: Thanks for the related info. on Ninnarul.
IS 'Manthiram idhu manthiram thenanththorum mana mogam' by KJ (don't know the movie) based on Shanmugapriya? For me, it sounds like it has shades of S.priya? Experts clarify.
- From: ARUN (@ dialincache.wmich.edu)
on: Tue Jun 16 17:42:54 EDT 1998
dear venki,
the song rukku rukku is based on the ragam SAHANA.
- From: venky (@ 206.103.12.125)
on: Wed Jun 17 01:00:48 EDT 1998
Arun,
I heard from a carnatic based program"Ragam Sangedham" that the song "rukku rukku" is based on Mohanam raga.
But you've said it is sahana, Please confirm
- From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk)
on: Wed Jun 17 05:17:04 EDT 1998
Venky: Are you sure the programme referred to the same Rukku Rukku? Because, the one from Avvai Shanmughi is definitely in SAHANA, there is no way that it can be called Mohanam, which is a pentatonic ragam. IR's song in Sahana is 'Intha Veenaikku Theriyaathu from the TV serial 'Rail Snehitham'. Listen to them both, you'll see the similarity.
- From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk)
on: Wed Jun 17 05:27:38 EDT 1998
Murali: Manthiram Idhu has always eluded me, as it has touches of Sri Ranjani and Desh, but I can't pinpoint a single Raga for the song. I haven't noticed the Shanmughapriya in it, but I haven't heard in in a long time. Hari is the best person to confirm this, as he is very talented and will be able to analyse the song in detail, to notation level. Pls help Hari, Thanks in advance.
By the way, we had the discussion in the Uk about In arul tharum and sent a tape off to India to Ganesh-Kumaresh(famous violinists that ARR uses) and they said Gowda Mallar too. I always thought Suddha Saveri, but it's hard to tell exactly as the ragas are very close. I think Suddha Bangala is also close. If it is notataed, we can find out, unfortunately, I can't do this very accurately yet. Hari, pls can you try with this song? Thanks again.....
- From: venky (@ 206.103.12.125)
on: Wed Jun 17 05:51:20 EDT 1998
Hi geetha,
Thanx. I already know that there are similarity between "rukku rukku" and " Intha veenaikku Theriyaathu". but still i had that doubt in my mind. Now i think that the former one has to be in "sahana".
- From: Ramki (@ dante.cs.wmich.edu)
on: Wed Jun 17 11:26:40 EDT 1998
Geetha VsNarasimman was the MD for Rayil sneham and not IR.
Has IR given any songs based on desh and sahana??
- From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk)
on: Wed Jun 17 12:24:12 EDT 1998
Ramki: Thanks for that info about Rail Snehitham. Narasimhan is IR's violinist and he's really good, not to mention innovative. He gave a great fusion concert in the UK which I'm trying to get the soundtrack of. I can't think of an IR Sahana, so credits so far for new musicians go to Narashimhan and Deva.....It's such a beautiful ragam. I'd recommend you to hear the Pabanasam Sivan Krithi 'Sri vaathaapi Ganapathiye', especially sung by Maharajapuram Santhanam or Sudha Raghunathan.
Songs in Sahana
---------------
Song: PathiniyE unpol itharaimeethinil (Tamil)
Raag:-sahAna
Movie:-Kannagi
Tala:-
Song: Parthen sirithen pakkam vara (Tamil)
Raag:-sahAna, changes to Muhari/Huseini?!?!?
Movie:-Veera Abhimanyu
Song: Inda veenaikku theriyadu (Tamil)
Raag:-sahAna
Movie:-Rayil snekam.. TV serial
Song: eNNamellaam oridaththaiyae (Tamil)
Song: uruhidum vaeLaiyilum (Tamil)
As for IR's Desh, he wrote a great song in the late Eighties, Vizhiyil oru kavidai padithEnO
Movie:-Krishnan vandAn
Tala:-[Khandachapu],
I think Mano and Chithra sang it.
Here is a list of Desh Songs, maybe some are IR's
-------------------------------------------------
Song: androru nAl idey (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-Idaya Veenai
Tala:-[]
Song: praemaiyil (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-sakundalai
Tala:-
Song: thunbam naerhaiyil (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-oriravu
Tala:-[Adi / chatusram]
Song: vizhiyil pudhu kavithai (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-thEErthakarayinile
Tala:-[Adi / tisram ]
Song: mangiyadhor nilavinile (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-
Tala:-[Adi / chatusram]
Song: veLi kamalathile (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-
Tala:-[Adi / tisram ]
Song: kadalil alygal modhum (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-
Tala:-[Adi / tisram ]
Song: Choly malaroLiyO (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-
Tala:-[ ]
*Not sure about this one.....Hari, pls confirm, so I can tell Satish. I thought it had Hamir Kalyani touches to it.
Song: nEE oru kAdal sangEEtham (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-Nayakan
Tala:-[Adi / Chatusram]
Hari: please confirm on these lists, I copied and pasted it from a page, your comments would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
- From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk)
on: Wed Jun 17 12:27:10 EDT 1998
Ramki: Thanks for that info about Rail Snehitham. Narasimhan is IR's violinist and he's really good, not to mention innovative. He gave a great fusion concert in the UK which I'm trying to get the soundtrack of. I can't think of an IR Sahana, so credits so far for new musicians go to Narashimhan and Deva.....It's such a beautiful ragam. I'd recommend you to hear the Pabanasam Sivan Krithi 'Sri vaathaapi Ganapathiye', especially sung by Maharajapuram Santhanam or Sudha Raghunathan.
Also, there is a new song Indhu Mahal Samudhirame, sung by Hariharan/Chithra and also Unni Krishnan/Chithra, from the film Mannava, by Deva which takes a mixture of Sahana and deah.....the Dream combination....I don't know if it maybe in the ragam Dyvijaavanthi, which is a mixture of Desh, Sahana and something else...Kafi perhaps. It is a Hindustani Ragam, which means Combination of Three.
Songs in Sahana
---------------
Song: PathiniyE unpol itharaimeethinil (Tamil)
Raag:-sahAna
Movie:-Kannagi
Tala:-
Song: Parthen sirithen pakkam vara (Tamil)
Raag:-sahAna, changes to Muhari/Huseini?!?!?
Movie:-Veera Abhimanyu
Song: Inda veenaikku theriyadu (Tamil)
Raag:-sahAna
Movie:-Rayil snekam.. TV serial
Song: eNNamellaam oridaththaiyae (Tamil)
Song: uruhidum vaeLaiyilum (Tamil)
As for IR's Desh, he wrote a great song in the late Eighties, Vizhiyil oru kavidai padithEnO
Movie:-Krishnan vandAn
Tala:-[Khandachapu],
I think Mano and Chithra sang it.
Here is a list of Desh Songs, maybe some are IR's
-------------------------------------------------
Song: androru nAl idey (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-Idaya Veenai
Tala:-[]
Song: praemaiyil (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-sakundalai
Tala:-
Song: thunbam naerhaiyil (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-oriravu
Tala:-[Adi / chatusram]
Song: vizhiyil pudhu kavithai (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-thEErthakarayinile
Tala:-[Adi / tisram ]
Song: mangiyadhor nilavinile (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-
Tala:-[Adi / chatusram]
Song: veLi kamalathile (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-
Tala:-[Adi / tisram ]
Song: kadalil alygal modhum (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-
Tala:-[Adi / tisram ]
Song: Choly malaroLiyO (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-
Tala:-[ ]
*Not sure about this one.....Hari, pls confirm, so I can tell Satish. I thought it had Hamir Kalyani touches to it.
Song: nEE oru kAdal sangEEtham (Tamil)
Raag:-dEsh
Movie:-Nayakan
Tala:-[Adi / Chatusram]
Hari: please confirm on these lists, I copied and pasted it from a page, your comments would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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