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Is ARR Running out of Stuff?

Topic started by Ramesh Vaidhyanathan (@ gengw.gensym.com) on Fri Mar 13 15:14:51 EST 1998.
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I listened to VandeMatharam in which ARR recycled his own tunes from Kizhakku Ceemayile and a touch of a song from Indira.
Also ARR's recent movies for big time producers like Ratchagan and Iruvar (except one song) and Dhoud in Hindi did not have any notable music. Remember ARRs last hit Minsarak Kanavu music was done long time ago.

If for a major album for Sony released on 50th year of Indian Independence, ARR cannot produce original music, then I have to come to the conclusion that he is running out of stuff. I heard that ARR is planning to cut down on movies and concentrate more on albums. Thus he will have to produce less and earn more.

Right now I do not see any difference in the quality of music produced by ARR and Karthik Raja. In fact I think Deva is doing a better job of providing consistant good quality music.

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Responses:

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• From: MSK (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com) on: Mon May 11 16:07:07 EDT 1998
  
  ARR will never run out of stuff!! He has tremendous "Talent " ;-)
  
  
• From: venus (@ 218.los-angeles-06.ca.dial-access.att.net) on: Tue May 12 22:50:40 EDT 1998
  
  
  Hi Udhaya,
  To me Alagumalar Ada resembles Kallilaekalai vanam
  song (May be both follow the same rhythm)
  Kuchi kuchi rakkamma resembles "Kokkara koo savalae Ninijirrukum" a sivaji movie song a late
  50's song.(at least first few lines)
  
  
  
• From: kitty (@ giasmdb.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu May 14 12:52:55 EDT 1998
  
  RJAY : I have read your aricles, and I have something to say.
  I agree that Carnatic music has complicated rythm patterns. You said that western songs have only 4/4,or 8 beat songs. That means that you have listening to only typical western rock/pop. If you turn your attention to jazz/rock or jazz-pop, you'd be left with your fngers entangled trying to guess the beat. If you want examples, I don't want to list them here. But of the most popular one's is 'Money' by PinkFloyd.. which is a 7 beat song, though it is rock.
  Secondly, if the song from "punnagai mannan" is familiar, thats only because is in the standard 7th scale with swing. But it spells nothing but originality. You can't compare this with lifting sound effects from eclectic pop sources and doing a cut and paste job that ARR often does. Ofcourse some credit has to be given for ARR's originaliy in other songs ( very few).
  
  
• From: RJAY (@ 204.220.167.129) on: Wed May 20 08:13:59 EDT 1998
  
  Kitty,
  
  Thanks for reminding me that Jazz has polyrythms and compound and complex rhythms.
  Not to mention Bebop which is ultimate in rhythmic exploration.
  I should have mentioned these here, sorry for
  limiting myself to the western music genres commonly heard here.
  Thanks again for pointing out my mistake.
  
  I agree with your observation on Raja. I too
  feel his intrepretation of the same pieces is
  much better.
  
  
  
  
• From: Shankar Narayan (@ 12.4.129.194) on: Wed May 20 12:01:36 EDT 1998
  
  ARR does nothing more than sampling commercial sounds from some not-so popular places, and outright stealing sounds from ultra populare groups like Enigma. The fact that the listening audiences would not be even remotely aware of such sources only adds to his immense popularity.
  Shame on ARR for doing that.
  
  
• From: raja m (@ ww-te01.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed May 20 17:08:24 EDT 1998
  
  A digression:
  
  I saw a new hindi film trailer - a movie by priyadarshan with Jackie S and Pooja Bhat with music by ARR - is this based on a south indian film and is the music new by ARR like Rangeela ? Has anyone heard the music and how is it?
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Thu May 21 11:59:52 EDT 1998
  
  Raja M: I guess you're talking about Kabhie Na Kabhie (did it also have Anil Kapoor in it?). It came in Tamil as Monalisa, but was released as a audio only in Tamil.
  
  ARR did the songs in Hindi only, like Rangeela, but has re-vamped Anjali Anjali(Duet) as a duet, with Kumar Sanu in KNK. This wasn't included in the Tamil version. It has the popular Veesum Thendral Kaatrinile sung with Unni K.
  
  Here is more information:
  Film: Kabhi na Kabhi
  Stars Jackie Shroff, Anil Kapoor, Pooja Bhatt
  Lyrics Javed Akhtar
  Director Priyadarshan
  Producer Shogun Films (R. Mohan)
  Label Bombino Music (International release by Pyramid)
  Year July 1997
  
  Songs
  
  1.mere yaara dildara (S P Balasubramaniam, Hariharan,Chitra)
  2.shukriya tera shukriya (S P Balasubramaniam)
  3.tu hi tu (M G Sreekumar, Chitra, A R Rahman)
  4.mere dil ka wo shehzada (Asha Bhosle)
  5.mil gayee mil gayee wo manzilen (Kumar Sanu, AlkaYagnik)
  6.tum ho meri nigahon mein (Hariharan, Sujatha)
  
  
  Mona Lisa
  Tamil version of "Kabhi Na Kabhi" (Pyramid Audio). Lyrics:
  Pazhani Bharathi.
  This is a non-film album.
  Songs
  
  1.veesum thendral kaatru (Unnikrishnan, Swarnalatha)
  2.endhan uyiril ullavum devi (Unnikrishnan)
  3.eera thamaraikku enna vekkamo (Mano, Krishnaraj, Swarnalatha)
  4.ninaithaaley innikkum sorgam, vanden ingu undhan pakkam (Anuradha Sriram)
  5.anjantha oviyum pole vandhu aadum poongodi
  (Prabhakar)
  6.endhan uyiril ullavum devi (Prabhakar)
  
  Links and Notes
  
  1.The Tamil audio release version of the movie will be titled "Mona Lisa". (released in Oct 97). This is not a movie.
  2."mil gayee mil gayee wo manzilen" is same as "Anjali Anjali" from Duet.
  3.There is no dubbing of "mil gayee mil gayee" in the Tamil version "Mona Lisa"
  
  Take a look at Satish's ARR page, it's really good.....
  http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~subraman/rahman/
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Thu May 21 12:00:06 EDT 1998
  
  Raja M: I guess you're talking about Kabhie Na Kabhie (did it also have Anil Kapoor in it?). It came in Tamil as Monalisa, but was released as a audio only in Tamil.
  
  ARR did the songs in Hindi only, like Rangeela, but has re-vamped Anjali Anjali(Duet) as a duet, with Kumar Sanu in KNK. This wasn't included in the Tamil version. It has the popular Veesum Thendral Kaatrinile sung with Unni K.
  
  Here is more information:
  Film: Kabhi na Kabhi
  Stars Jackie Shroff, Anil Kapoor, Pooja Bhatt
  Lyrics Javed Akhtar
  Director Priyadarshan
  Producer Shogun Films (R. Mohan)
  Label Bombino Music (International release by Pyramid)
  Year July 1997
  
  Songs
  
  1.mere yaara dildara (S P Balasubramaniam, Hariharan,Chitra)
  2.shukriya tera shukriya (S P Balasubramaniam)
  3.tu hi tu (M G Sreekumar, Chitra, A R Rahman)
  4.mere dil ka wo shehzada (Asha Bhosle)
  5.mil gayee mil gayee wo manzilen (Kumar Sanu, AlkaYagnik)
  6.tum ho meri nigahon mein (Hariharan, Sujatha)
  
  
  Mona Lisa
  Tamil version of "Kabhi Na Kabhi" (Pyramid Audio). Lyrics:
  Pazhani Bharathi.
  This is a non-film album.
  Songs
  
  1.veesum thendral kaatru (Unnikrishnan, Swarnalatha)
  2.endhan uyiril ullavum devi (Unnikrishnan)
  3.eera thamaraikku enna vekkamo (Mano, Krishnaraj, Swarnalatha)
  4.ninaithaaley innikkum sorgam, vanden ingu undhan pakkam (Anuradha Sriram)
  5.anjantha oviyum pole vandhu aadum poongodi
  (Prabhakar)
  6.endhan uyiril ullavum devi (Prabhakar)
  
  Links and Notes
  
  1.The Tamil audio release version of the movie will be titled "Mona Lisa". (released in Oct 97). This is not a movie.
  2."mil gayee mil gayee wo manzilen" is same as "Anjali Anjali" from Duet.
  3.There is no dubbing of "mil gayee mil gayee" in the Tamil version "Mona Lisa"
  
  Take a look at Satish's ARR page, it's really good.....
  http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~subraman/rahman/
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.252) on: Thu May 21 14:01:14 EDT 1998
  
  whether ARR does quality recording or introduces new singers or composes patriotic albums, i do not care.as a music lover i care only about melody and that has been a rare feature in most of ARR's songs.His songs in jeans are more of the same kind
  with perhaps 'kannodu' being an exception.as long as the audience accepts him he would be there.
  
  But he never had the ability to bring out the 'mann vaasanai' or the 'tamil flavour' in his songs with his pseudo-western style and his music would die fast.
  
  
• From: MSK (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com) on: Thu May 21 15:13:02 EDT 1998
  
  Well Put Vijay!. I don't care as long as he gives out good original songs.. but he seems to be doing the same araitha maavau.. that's what is killing me.. But no point in blaming him . TFM audience
  seem to relish this crap .. so he is all the more into it.. thats' all.
  
  
• From: raja m (@ ww-ti02.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu May 21 19:29:14 EDT 1998
  
  Geetha:
  
  Thanks!
  
  
• From: SARA (@ 202.188.154.194) on: Sat May 23 05:46:20 EDT 1998
  
  aGGREED BUT ..........................................
  
  
• From: Prasad (@ ip187.buffalo2.ny.pub-ip.psi.net) on: Mon Sep 7 10:29:58 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  I am looking for a complete discograpy of A.R.Rehman and am unable to find it. Satish's site seems to be down. Can you help me ?
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Mon Sep 7 11:11:12 EDT 1998
  
  Prasad: Please take a look at
  
  http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5715/
  
  It has lots of graphics and is a bit slow, but has a fairly full discography....Satish's site is more complete though, as he's gone into full detail of all the songs and films....
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ elroy.cs.wisc.edu) on: Mon Sep 7 12:03:00 EDT 1998
  
  I agree that ARR's stuff SEEMS TO be going down (this cannot be said conclusively - maybe if he gets inspired, he can come up with sthing, he is undoubtedly talented, otherwise he could never have dethroned IR). The main reason why I feel this is the fact that his quality even for Mani Ratnam and other big budget producers and directors is less compared to waht it used to be although even now, he is far better than Deva and others. IR also has come up with a decent amount of trash but when it came to major movies he always did full justice; if you look at the Mani-IR combination, every movie had revolutionary music. That is the main reason why I feel ARR maybe lacks inspiration nowadays.
  
  
• From: We need a quality successor of ARR (@ chcgb202-31.splitrock.net) on: Mon Sep 7 13:06:27 EDT 1998
  
  ARR's audience is now seeing through his con music. While I liked his daring efforts to sound
  different (in my opinion, his music is totally indifferent to any reasonable expectations), the time has come for him to accept that because of the big void in Indian film music scene, his music
  is only bringing the void closer to a black hole.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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