Topic started by Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.73.97) on Sun Oct 29 01:31:55 EDT 2000.
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A great music director should be known for his/her trick on all trades when it comes to music. But AR Rahman is good only in recording crystal clear music. As far other areas are concerned he had failed miserably. Listen to all his village oriented songs same type of digital music. Even Deva and SAR do better job than him. What about BGM he plays the songs repeatedly. Deva does a better job atleast copying from Titanic or BraveHeart. What happened to songs based out of Raagas there also he lacks knowledge. What about his singing style man. Drs recommend his "Vandemataram" to clear Constibation than bringing out patriotism.
Discuss this fake, self promoting and copying star and remove his masquerade.
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- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Sat Nov 4 19:09:50 EST 2000
link = raj
Let us please stop this :-)
- From: STS (@ 38.28.19.67)
on: Sat Nov 4 21:44:07 EST 2000
MS,
Thanks for coming to a conclusion :) And we talk about digression.
- From: supplied on request (@ 193.113.185.132)
on: Sun Nov 5 03:28:31 EST 2000
Idhu eppadi irukku?
-->sobhraj-->smuggling--->unlawful offloading
-->unlawful musical offloading-->call them 'divine inspirations'---->ARR!
- From: G. Kuppusamy (@ 156.153.255.130)
on: Mon Nov 6 00:28:22 EST 2000
baghavathar-vaal,
just to kindal-adichhify the way i read ur latest posting, "We can call ARR multi faced and multi talented in copying MSV, Veda, IR, Chandrabose, Deva, SAR and other very popular Western artists!!!!!". I never thought Chandrabose, SAR, Deva, Veda were VERY POPULAR WESTERN ARTISTS.
well fan, udhaya and others what happened why didnt you contribute to the topic?
- From: eden (@ 61.1.250.230)
on: Mon Nov 6 04:15:45 EST 2000
G.K!
well fan, udhaya and others what happened why didnt you contribute to the topic?
ungaLukku sense of humor konjam jAsthi:-)
- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227)
on: Mon Nov 6 09:06:02 EST 2000
There is no point in responding to baseless accusations on ARR without any substance.
It is understood that most of them just feel like making statements on the spur of the moment without any supporting facts.
Am I seeing identity crisis in myself too?!!!
Trend
- From: hihi:-) (@ 134.124.160.10)
on: Mon Nov 6 11:13:14 EST 2000
:-)))
trend. don't worry about the identity crisis. change AgallEnA trend-E illa, veRum mand(u) thAn :-))
(hi fella, take it in the right spirit, ok)
- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227)
on: Mon Nov 6 11:40:37 EST 2000
hihi:-),
Change shouldn't be just for the sake of it.A change should occur with more knowledge so that it is constructive.
Ok,I got it in the right spirit.
Trend
- From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.61.9)
on: Mon Nov 6 13:18:51 EST 2000
Here is an interview from well known musician that mirrors my views on folk music by Rahman.
"Rahman killed folk music"
Altogether he is on his way to kill Tamil Film Music with copied Western music.
- From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.61.9)
on: Mon Nov 6 13:19:09 EST 2000
Here is an interview from well known musician that mirrors my views on folk music by Rahman.
http://www.kutcheribuzz.com/questionanswer/maduraigsmani.htm
"Rahman killed folk music"
Altogether he is on his way to kill Tamil Film Music with copied Western music.
- From: chandy (@ 131.230.25.38)
on: Mon Nov 6 13:42:59 EST 2000
Bhagavathar :
Your views as stated in the thread title is "..But AR Rahman is good only in recording crystal clear music. As far other areas are concerned he had failed miserably.
And in the interview you have quoted, Madhurai Mani says classical music was replaced by light music (by MSV), and the light music was replaced by folk music (by IR), and this was also replaced by western rhythms (by ARR).
Is this what your views are?? And is this what "mirrors" your views??? Your views are that ARR has failed in "all other areas except recording cyrstal clear music"!!! And you have not provided any justification for the same. Rather than misquote interviews and make blind accusations, why dont you give some songs, analyse them, show why ARR songs arent folk-enough or classical-enough????
Please dont give partial quotes disregarding the context just to misguide people here!!! Trust us with more sense!!
chandy
- From: msvfan (@ 216.190.255.35)
on: Mon Nov 6 13:43:38 EST 2000
same interview also says msv is great.
- From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.57.205)
on: Mon Nov 6 14:55:06 EST 2000
Chandy,The interview was quoted here simply to see the fact seen by people at large,which is that ARR is not enriching the film music in anyway.He certainly has brought new technology[of course copied] but nothing to music as such!
So to say,he has killed what was good already there!?When the guy who was interviewed says MSV was replaced by IR,why did he say "ARR killed folk music?!!"
It shows the general opinion of true musicians about ARR's music.
- From: chandy (@ 131.230.25.38)
on: Mon Nov 6 15:18:27 EST 2000
Bhagavathar :
Why did not give some examples or more concrete points to substantiate that ARR has brought "nothing to music as such". Mere repetition of saying 'he hasnt dont anything' umpteen times doesnt even add a penny worth of argument to the discussion. I'd appreciate if you can give more examples or points in support of your accusation!
chandy
- From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.57.172)
on: Mon Nov 6 16:29:03 EST 2000
Chandy:
For a change give me some good points on ARR by giving some examples. I want the examples based on albums don't give me just one song from each movie. If I talk about MSV I can give several classical and folk based albums where all songs are good. Same with KVM and IR too.
For MSV
classical - Aboorva Raagangal
folk - Pattigada Pattanama
For KVM
classical-Thillana Mohanambal
folk - Yenni Padigal
For IR
classical-Sindhu Bairavi
folk-Annakili
For ARR
classical-??????
folk-????????
That is why as a real music fan I don't consider ARR part of this elite group. He doesn't have any music sense. He has a computer does job from him than his head. "Kannamoochi" song Mixing sahana to a Natakurunji based song what he tried to prove there. That is why Subbudu said in Kumudam for "enavalle" song Kedharathukku vanta Sedharam.
Go and ask any classical musician, they will say only novice MD who doesn't know anything mix and match.
- From: SM (@ 63.101.96.1)
on: Mon Nov 6 16:36:07 EST 2000
chandy, how many times in this forum have you asked people to substantiate their accusations on ARR and how many times have you got a proper reply? Don't waste your time.
- From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.57.172)
on: Mon Nov 6 16:55:07 EST 2000
SM:
So whatever I wrote doesn't sunstantiate any proof that ARR sucks.
It shows ARR fanatics are blind and never agree that facts that ARR is a good sound engineer than a good music director.
- From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.57.172)
on: Mon Nov 6 16:55:34 EST 2000
SM:
So whatever I wrote doesn't substantiate any proof that ARR sucks.
It shows ARR fanatics are blind and never agree that facts that ARR is a good sound engineer than a good music director.
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Mon Nov 6 16:55:48 EST 2000
Ching Chak Ching Chak...
Once again, Chandy wants everyone to "see" ARR - and we cannot convince him by saying "Iam more educated than you"
Likewise Bhagavathar wants to convince ARR fans that ARRs music is not music - true, becoz some of the "classical" critics think so.
But ultimately, none of you gets convinced by the other. So why try to prove your point?
I feel it is important to enjoy music for what is, rather than classify.
- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227)
on: Mon Nov 6 17:02:10 EST 2000
Bhagavathar,
Why should we consider a album(a film)?Did ARR get a chance to compose for a movie which warranted all classical or folk songs?
"He doesn't have any music sense"
I think that is going too far.Please restrain yourself.We have already discussed about this "Subbudu-Ennavalee" issue and put things in proper perspective(esp. Udhaya)
"He has a computer does job from him than his head."
Do you mean to say all computer programmers are idiots?
"Kannamoochi" song Mixing sahana to a Natakurunji based song what he tried to prove there.
He didn't try to prove anything.It is a very nice classical composition which the critics appreciated too.
I haven't listened much to MSV and KVM.Hasn't IR done any mix'n'match?Even Beethoven and Mozart used a part of their tunes for their later compositions(they didn't do it blatantly neither does ARR).That was considered creativity b'cos they didn't sweat for a new tune.
SM,
I agree with Chandy . even now Bhagavathar hasn't properly substantiated his claims.
Trend
- From: chandy (@ 131.230.25.38)
on: Mon Nov 6 17:20:11 EST 2000
Bhagavathar :
1. Why should an entire album be used to judge a person's ability to create classical/folk stuff?? Could you please enlighten me??
2. Could you please list some albums in TFM (irrespective of MD) which are purely classical/folk number based post-1995?
How many TFM movies that ARR did warranted a complete classical/folk album?
3. "Go an ask any classical musician" - Does your list of classical musicians include Nityasree and Unnikrishnan who seem to be quite happy with the "classical knowledge" of ARR?? Or are these "BAD classical musicians" in your view just bcoz they appreciated the efforts of ARR??
chandy
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Mon Nov 6 17:34:23 EST 2000
There is less talk of music than attacking fellow DF ers. I am beginning to doubt if we all share a desire to know music, or let others know what music you like. All this seems to me more "personal" exchanges than what it is meant for. Grow up guys, and learn music. Please dont be content with what you know...
- From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35)
on: Mon Nov 6 17:39:22 EST 2000
Chandy and Trend,
some time ago,
I asked how to define a classical song ?, what do you look for in a song in order to brand the song as folk or classical or rock or hiphop
I am serious here - how do we brand a song as classical?, I think we need to decide this first, in order to know arr failed or not.
Till date I am not able to come on one single answer.
IMHO:
A good song is decided based on the song's situation, freshness in song, voice, lyrics, tune, instruments/sounds, arrangements etc,
but still all these are very subjective.
To make the dicussion worth while, we have to remove the IR-FACTOR out and analyze the songs.
Till then it is a dead-lock only.
people are mixing sentiments with facts.
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