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Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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• From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.6) on: Tue Sep 26 17:06:07 EDT 2000
  
  IR/Vasu
  
  'Kaatre en vaasal' looks like darabari kanada.
  In charanam, i see 'ni2 dha2 ni2 dha2 ni2' in 'nedungalam sirpikulle', which looks like darbari kanada. is that right ?
  
  my guesses in other songs:
  nathiye nathiye - ananda bhairavi
  nilame poru nilame - nata bhairavi/abheri
  
  Please confirm.
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ 192.35.232.13) on: Wed Sep 27 13:52:32 EDT 2000
  
  www.swara.com has more Bharathi songs than www.raaga.com.
  
  
• From: IR (@ 38.220.167.225) on: Wed Sep 27 14:35:55 EDT 2000
  
  Ninai Charanadaindhen - superb :) sounds like Panthuvarali
  
  
• From: IR (@ 38.220.167.225) on: Wed Sep 27 14:39:02 EDT 2000
  
  Thanks for the link Vasu..
  
  
• From: IR (@ 38.220.167.225) on: Wed Sep 27 14:47:55 EDT 2000
  
  Keladaa Maanida - sounds like Mohanam plus Kalyani - although not Mohana Kalyani
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.53) on: Wed Sep 27 17:05:26 EDT 2000
  
  IR,
  in www.themusicmagazine.com they have listed 'ninnai charan' as puriya dhanashri which is Hamsaanandhi.i thought so too. is it panthuvaraali?
  
  
• From: IR (@ 63.16.71.78) on: Wed Sep 27 17:46:44 EDT 2000
  
  vijay: it could be very well puriya dhanashree which is a panthuvarali janyam and takes all the notes in Panthuvarali in a vakra manner (zig-zag).
  
  Pa; Ma Ga - Ma Ga ri ri Sa;
  Nin Nai.. Cha Ra Na dain Dhen
  ( Ma Ga Ma ga ri is a typical prayoga in PD)
  
  It cannot be Hamsanandhi as it takes dha1.
  
  I love this piece... Hats off to Bombay Jayshree
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Wed Sep 27 20:31:22 EDT 2000
  
  thanx IR.
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.240) on: Thu Sep 28 06:51:28 EDT 2000
  
  hey guys!
  this is sindhuja from B'lore...
  your conversations r tooooo interesting.....
  .....coming to the topic-what raagam is "manam virumbuthe..."(nerukku ner)
  it sounds like manavyaala kim...but that's just the 1st line.it also sounds a little like kedaaram...
  
  
• From: IR (@ 63.22.97.173) on: Thu Sep 28 10:43:32 EDT 2000
  
  Guys, what are some of the other film songs by Bombay jayashree besides Ninnai Charanadaindhen, Narumugaye and a tiny bit in En penn endru pirandhaai ?
  
  
• From: IR (@ 63.22.97.173) on: Thu Sep 28 10:44:29 EDT 2000
  
  IMO, she has more melody in her voice than Nithyashree who is more talented than BJ when it comes to carnatic music...
  
  
• From: Vidhya (@ ) on: Thu Sep 28 12:36:09 EDT 2000
  
  Sindhuja: pl refer to the list in the top of the thread page: http://newtfmpage.com/forum/classical.html
  manam virumbudhae is in kedharam.
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.138) on: Thu Sep 28 22:13:03 EDT 2000
  
  IR: her first under IR (no, this is different IR :) 'kai veenai aendum kalaivaani' (vietnam colony) is also a good one. Her debut is supposedly under MSV, but i don't know the song.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Fri Sep 29 09:33:02 EDT 2000
  
  bb/RR:
  
  raga database link does not work. Please chk.
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.145) on: Fri Sep 29 10:09:48 EDT 2000
  
  Thanx for the link,vidya.
  BTW,is the TITAN add music by ARR or MOZART??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  I'm desperate to know!
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 155.69.4.55) on: Fri Sep 29 11:41:41 EDT 2000
  
  Sindhuja,
  
  "manam virumbuthe" (nerukku Ner) is in gambeeraNaattai and not kedharam
  
  R
  
  
• From: Vidhya (@ 206.216.1.3) on: Fri Sep 29 12:31:27 EDT 2000
  
  Ragapriyan: in the lines "puyal vandhu ponadhoru vanamaai". Ri2 is used. It is kedhaaram.
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.7) on: Fri Sep 29 14:27:38 EDT 2000
  
  Vidhya/Ragapriyan,
  
  we had a big discussion on manam virumbuthe, some time back. Pallavi looks like Gambeera nattai to me and the charanam has R2 in it. so, it should be kedaram. probably, it's again a mix.
  
  
• From: silkfort (@ 202.9.188.88) on: Sat Sep 30 06:47:13 EDT 2000
  
  sindhuja,
  
  titan ad theme is from symphony no.25 from Mozart.
  
  brilliant. No?
  
  
• From: silkfort (@ 202.9.188.88) on: Sat Sep 30 06:47:29 EDT 2000
  
  sindhuja,
  
  titan ad theme is from symphony no.25 by Mozart.
  
  brilliant. No?
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.86) on: Sat Sep 30 08:43:01 EDT 2000
  
  no doubt the titan music is brilliant,but quite a disappointment , as i was for long under the impression that its by ARR and u see, i'm a grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat fan of his!
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.86) on: Sat Sep 30 08:53:45 EDT 2000
  
  ...and about the hamsanaadam discussion,to my
  knowledge, these days,the swaram DA is not permitted(i believe seshagopaalan even announced this in 1 of his "kutcheris").
  the hindustani equivalent of this is"shuddha saarang" in which DA,MA1,the other NI are all used .-you guys MUST check out chitra's & ustad sultan khan's(the saarangi player in "snehidane")new album "piya basanti"-which has a song in shuddha saarang-its amazing!
  
  
• From: Ramaswamy Gireesan (@ 194.59.176.11) on: Sun Oct 1 15:03:40 EDT 2000
  
  sindhuja,
  
  regarding Hamsanadam, this is what Hari Govindan mentioned once in a mail he had written to me:
  
  "ilakkaNam mARudho's raga is a version of hamsanadam. I know that the standard hamsanadam is sa ri2 ma2 pa, ni3 sa. But actually the popular version of hamsanadam officially is called skandamanorama (or something similar to it.) The original hamsanadam, derived from the 60th nitimati has both ni's in it. Another version of hamsanadam replaces the komal ni with dha 2. And that is the version in the song ilakanam. There is a similar scale with
  generous mixing of both ma's in a song from the malayalam movie Kaveri (music by IR along with Dakshinamoorthy)."
  
  BTW, all TFM-fans participating in this thread, I would be grateful if you visit my homepage and mail me your comments. I have recently added several songs (all IR compositions) and I have to admit that I am not able to identify all the ragas correctly.
  
  http://members.nbci.com/rgireesan
  
  Thanks and regards
  
  G.Ramaswamy
  
  
• From: Ramaswamy Gireesan (@ 194.59.176.11) on: Sun Oct 1 15:05:19 EDT 2000
  
  IR,
  
  Bombay Jayashree has also sung in the film kaNmaNi oru kavidhai (Music : IR) - you can listen to this song on my homepage.
  
  Regards
  
  G.Ramaswamy
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.181.62) on: Mon Oct 2 05:45:35 EDT 2000
  
  ramaswaami,
  thanx for the info.
  
  BTW,can u enlighten me on the raagam "sumanesa ranjani"?--i can't remember either the name of the film nor the starting of this song--arvind swamy singing for revathi's birthday(with a guitar-to be more precise)i think it starts with the word "nalam"--i think this song is in the raagam mentioned above.priya sisters have also rendered "ninnai charanadainden"in this raagam-(the prob. is the raagams aren't mentioned in this casette) i wanna be sure of the name of the raagam.
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.181.112) on: Mon Oct 2 06:04:32 EDT 2000
  
  .......i forgot to add on......
  the raagam is defined by-sa ga2(as in kaanadaa)ma2 pa ni2(as in harikAmbodhi) and thus, i guess is a janyam of shanmukhapriyA
  so,........what i want is, the NAME of this raagam.
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.181.112) on: Mon Oct 2 06:04:46 EDT 2000
  
  .......i forgot to add on......
  the raagam is defined by-sa ga2(as in kaanadaa)ma2 pa ni2(as in harikAmbodhi) sa and thus, i guess is a janyam of shanmukhapriyA
  so,........what i want is, the NAME of this raagam.
  
  
• From: IR (@ 63.36.195.117) on: Mon Oct 2 12:26:37 EDT 2000
  
  Sindhuja - are you talking about Sumanesa ranjani??
  
  A/A: Sa Ga2 Ma2 Pa Ni2 Sa - Sa Ni2 Pa Ma2 Ga2 Sa
  
  this is a SMKP Janyam
  
  
• From: IR (@ 63.36.195.117) on: Mon Oct 2 12:28:11 EDT 2000
  
  oops I do see that you are talking about that ragam :) (Nalam vaazha en naalum en vaazhthukkal??)
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ 192.35.232.22) on: Mon Oct 2 15:28:38 EDT 2000
  
  Nalam vaazha - I think it also has m1 and d1 creeping in pallavi. So it cant be pure sumanesa ranjani.
  
  
• From: Kannan (@ 209.185.189.242) on: Tue Oct 3 09:23:17 EDT 2000
  
  Can someone please give the raagas of all songs in Bharathi?
  
  TYIA
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.181.157) on: Tue Oct 3 09:33:26 EDT 2000
  
  i had a hunch it WAS sumanesa ranjani--i just wanted to be SURE......
  thanx anyway.
  BTW, did you know "malargale" in love birds is in raag"sham kalyani"?i was under the impression that it was saraswathi....
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ 192.35.232.14) on: Tue Oct 3 11:03:28 EDT 2000
  
  nalam vaazha also has n3 in its charanam. If you take n2 as d3 you can more or less call the song is based on raga Nitimati. (except for the m1)
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.181.52) on: Tue Oct 3 23:09:58 EDT 2000
  
  i was thoroughly surprised on seeing the song "innum ennai yanna seya pogiraay"(singaara velan)under gambheera naattai in the "raagaas of film songs"page in this site.i strongly feel it is tilang--someone please explain.
  isn't tilang defined by sa ga3 ma1 pa ni3 sa;sa ni2 pa ma1 ga3 sa?
  
  
• From: SL (@ 63.253.7.13) on: Tue Oct 3 23:53:37 EDT 2000
  
  Sinduja, 'innum...' is in Gambeera Nattai alright. Tilang has a N2 not N3.It is a janya of Hari Kambhoji. If there is another version/common usage that includes N3 also, I am not aware of it.
  
  
• From: Ramaswamy Gireesan (@ 194.59.176.11) on: Wed Oct 4 04:02:40 EDT 2000
  
  sindhuja,
  
  innum ennai is indeed in gambeera naattai. I remember posting the notes for this song in the thread meant for that. (Posted it almost 2 years back, I guess)
  
  Regards
  
  G.Ramaswamy
  
  
• From: IR (@ 63.22.72.165) on: Wed Oct 4 07:26:04 EDT 2000
  
  SL - Thilang does take Ni2 and Ni3
  Sa Ga3 Ma1 Pa Ni3 Sa - Sa Ni2 Pa Ma1 Ga3 Sa
  
  

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