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ARR's interview in Hindu .....-Intresting Point

Topic started by MumbaiRamki (@ 63.186.8.168) on Sun Dec 12 18:45:07 EST 2004.
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http://www.hindu.com/mp/2004/12/13/stories/2004121300340100.htm

1.The 'Yuhi chaala ' song from swades was orginally composed for Lagaan .

2.Harris Jeyaraj worked with him only for 2 films !!

3.On today's music -
"What is today's Tamil film music all about? They are nothing more than fast numbers or remix downloaded. What took me weeks to make music for a "Gentleman" or "Rangeela" can be done today if you have a computer, software and then pre-set the rhythms and you have a disco number! Fast music is no big deal today as anyone can become a music director"

4.Rajiv Menon film in tamizh .

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• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Tue Dec 14 13:42:42 EST 2004
  
  "So far, people here seem unwilling to accept this, and are claiming that I interpteted wrongly what I saw ARR say in his SUN interview. "
  
  was that interview in Tamil by any chance? :-)
  
  Can someone post the question and exact answer ARR delivered. Statements have to be analyzed in their proper context. I am not sure if Observer is perceiving a normal Rahman response a ssome sort of "attack". Attack is something that is usually un-provoked. Rahman didnt exactly call a press-meet to abuse his competitors did he? What kind of question did the interviewer ask and what was the response?
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Tue Dec 14 13:44:58 EST 2004
  
  "'ve been in your shoes before, so I can only say that what he's saying more and more often now about other composers has a direct bearing on his music."
  
  How? I dont see any bearing at all. Commercially his last couple of albums might not have been great hits. But if you were to look at the technical aspects can you honestly say he has done nothing new in his last 5 albums in TFM/HFM?
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Tue Dec 14 14:19:40 EST 2004
  
  Observer,
  
  I have stated very clearly, i think you are 'posing as a non-basher'. Yup that is what I think. That explains what I think of your statements accepting ARR's genius.
  
  Do you seriously think that there is absolutely no alternative to what you think was going on in ARR's mind when he made those statements? Dont you think that there is at least some chance that you may be wrong here?
  
  I am a staunch ARR fan and I have already shown the willingness to accept your statements if this trend in ARR continues.
  
  I dont see you flinching even a bit. All you have been doing is repeating your statements again and again and are not listening to other people's arguments.
  
  
• From: Genesis (@ 136.2.1.153) on: Tue Dec 14 15:04:08 EST 2004
  
  Vijay,
  Fantastic!! You are one of the very few guys (other than me?), who appreciates both IR and ARR music.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 63.211.104.194) on: Tue Dec 14 19:42:03 EST 2004
  
  
  Alright guys, after sedulous hunting for the interview video I've given up on locating it for now. Meanwhile this'll have to do:
  
  http://filmfaremagazine.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-898251,curpg-3.cms
  
  Rahman: “See, there are different ways of doing it. What some composers do is have a team of assistants. One takes care of rhythm arrangements, one takes care of the strings and so on. You give your assistants a basic tune and they do the rest in a couple of days. But the feel will never be yours."
  
  And please, before accusing me of quoting out-of-context visit the site and confirm for yourselves.
  
  And as far as I can tell from the transcript he was not "provoked". Admittedly it sounds less incendiary than the quote in the video (which btw had a mixture of English and Tamil that I could follow perfectly well) that I remember, but it's still in questionable form.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 63.211.104.194) on: Tue Dec 14 19:52:29 EST 2004
  
  Dude:
  
  "I have stated very clearly, i think you are 'posing as a non-basher'. Yup that is what I think. That explains what I think of your statements accepting ARR's genius."
  
  Just out of idle curiosity, what is your explanation for this behaviour on my part? How is a basher posing as a non-basher different or superior to a basher? For all you know I could be a non-basher posing as a basher. Or how about non-basher posing as a basher in order to mislead people into thinking I'm a basher posing as a non-basher. Er..whatever.
  
  Or why not slash the Gordian knot and take what I say as nothing less and nothing more than what I mean? Just a suggestion
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 209.23.214.123) on: Tue Dec 14 20:27:23 EST 2004
  
  I think you are a ARR-basher who has made up his/her mind about a certain (non)issue, and wants force that opinion on everyone else. How much clearer can I be??? And this is why I cant take whatever you say.
  
  When you come to a debate you should come with an open mind. You dont seem to have that. You want to prove your point one way or the other.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 63.211.104.194) on: Tue Dec 14 21:06:07 EST 2004
  
  Here it is Dude, my understanding of Rahman's innovations:
  
  When Rahman first arrived one criticism directed at him by Nadeem-Shravan, among others, was that his songs sounded like jingles. Without in any way endorsing the negative valuation intended by NS, I fully agree. The word explains a lot.
  The concentrated catchiness, the harmony vocals, and above all the sound, digital, sibilant, unnaturally scoured of all sonic detritus, carefully designed to evoke the pristine dream-world that the product being hawked will presumably bring into being.
  
  
  In the 80's and early 90's the spurt of economic activity engendered by liberalisation, not to mention the growth of a large and captive TV audience was resulting in unprecedented ad-budgets. A great deal of knowledge was accumulating in the field about sound-recording, synth-technology, Western-style pop production and so on. Meanwhile the Indian filmi mind, whether that of the composer or that of the listener, was focussed on melody. And melody of a restricted sort, culled from a relatively small set of Indian sources, spiced with the occasional foreign borrowing. No multi-octave vocal stunts please. And certainly no contralto women or tenor-voiced men.
  
  These two realms of knowledge were clearly straining to be fused, and there were already faint warnings when Nazia Hassan's Disco Deewane introduced contemporary Western pop production techniques into the Indian consciousness, and then again when Viju Shah introduced synthesized rhythms in a big way in Tridev. Yet these innovations did not "take". Maybe the country was not ready for it yet. Or maybe what was required was a special musical thinker. A deep melodist who not only saw, or searched for, visionary meeting points between under-exploited Indian tunes and little-known Western genres (reggae, electronica) that no one else saw, but had cultivated the craft required to engineer their realization.
  
  That man was Rahman.
  
  To be continued...
  
  
• From: observer (@ 63.211.104.194) on: Tue Dec 14 21:31:10 EST 2004
  
  Vijay:
  
  "How? I dont see any bearing at all."
  
  To quote from Brian Eno's Diary A YEAR WITH SWOLLEN APPENDICES:
  
  "A few years ago I came up with a new word. I was fed up with the old art-history idea of genius--the notion that gifted individuals turn up out of nowhere and light the way for all the rest of us dummies to follow. I became (and still am) more and more convinced that the important changes in cultural history were actually the product of very large numbers of people and circumstances conspiring to make something new. I call this "scenius"--it means "the intelligence and intuition of a whole cultural scene." It is the communal form of the concept of genius."
  
  Basically my position takes use of this concept and applies it to what I see transpiring in the Indian music scene. I'll argue that the collision of the film-music scene and the jingle-making scene crystallized the genius of Rahman. With the passage of time (the world never stands still!) this genius has created a scene, then raised the scene to the point where there is now only SCENIUS.
  
  Yet the way I see it all this is happening in a way that lies outside Rahman's control, outside anyone's control. It is this engulfing of genius by scenius that is bewildering Rahman, and resulting in his outbursts. He can't raise his genius further, and even if he does, the rewards will be marginal, while the inexorable flood of scenius will continue. As he joked recently when asked about his tonsured head, "It'll grow back, only my brain won't grow!"
  
  What then is the answer?
  
  
• From: observer (@ 63.211.104.194) on: Tue Dec 14 21:42:25 EST 2004
  
  Guys,
  
  I urge you to read this interview with Brian Eno at the foll. site:
  
  http://www.itp.nyu.edu/~mjn203/futures/forces.html
  
  What he says about WCM should hopefully check the desperate hunt for cultural certainty and supremacy that some IR-fans are embarked upon, with their WCM projects, and their IR-as-Western-composer dreams.
  
  
• From: Jaiganesh (@ 203.101.103.2) on: Tue Dec 14 22:21:52 EST 2004
  
  Hi!
  I happened to watch ARR interview in Vijay Times program in Vijay TV. For most part he was talking abt Swades in Tamil. Then the interviewer asked the hot question as to why he isn't doing much in TFM and the current trend in TFM. Consolidated responses to those queries are as follows.
  
  1. Lack of melody in TFM (very leading question from the interviewer here). He blamed the lack of good story for that, in defense of all MDs. He said that he will give such melodies if he gets a good story like Swades.
  2. About lesser projects in TFM.
  Interesting answer. He said that everyone wants only "kuthu/dance" rhythms and he has done enuf in TFM of that sort for 10 yrs. So he is goin to do only deserving projects.
  3. Ongoing projects?
  KSR's film, Suryah's next film and Thanu's next film.
  Among other things, there was mention about how Vaali composed lip synched , yet good lyrics.
  
  Nice interview. He seemed the same old Rahman to me, but clearly irritated at the current trend spawned by movies like Thiruda Thirudi, Thirumalai and Madurey(naming of movies my infernce).
  
  Thanks,
  Jaiganesh.
  
  
• From: DD (@ 202.184.38.16) on: Tue Dec 14 22:41:28 EST 2004
  
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• From: DD (@ 202.184.41.61) on: Tue Dec 14 22:42:37 EST 2004
  
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