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Kumudam opinion poll on IR vs ARR

Topic started by Subbiah (@ 192.39.1.92) on Wed Mar 7 14:18:35 EST 2001.
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There has always been a complaint in TFM DF that IR fans manipulate ratings etc.

Please visit the latest opinion poll conducted by Kumudam. IR wins by huge majority. If you find time, please read through the various opinions from all over the world. It is really amazing to find that we are not alone in praising IR - The Genius

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• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Wed Jan 7 16:02:08 EST 2004
  
  raj,
  
  Kanoodu Kanbathellam is a excellent song. But this song is derived from "Singaravelane nee vaa" from Konjum Salangai I guess. Gemini Ganesan and Savitri will be acting it.
  
  But ARR did a excellent job in modifying and adpating it.
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.201.234) on: Wed Jan 7 17:10:59 EST 2004
  
  Illayaraja's first song annakili... is modified/ derived (what ever u call) from carnatic number
  theratha villayatu pillai!
  
  
• From: raj (@ 211.29.136.12) on: Thu Jan 8 09:15:23 EST 2004
  
  Anbey sivam, I agree with you.. kanodu kanbathelam is a good song even though it's derived from singara velaney nee vaa.. but paran said kanodu kanbathelam and engey enathu kavithai are pure karnatic song. thats y i poseted the above post. rahuman never give a pure karnatic song. kanodu kanbathelam u can say 50% karnatic. thats the maximum arr can give. but note this.. i dint say its a bad song.. it is a nice song and i like it.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 211.29.136.12) on: Thu Jan 8 09:19:16 EST 2004
  
  adei fking malakiya bufta jacky, theeratha vilayatu pilai and annakili totaly different raaga idiot!
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.201.197) on: Thu Jan 8 14:55:02 EST 2004
  
  I strongly feel the starting is the same as Carnatic song 'theeradha
  vilayattu pillai'
  
  Only thing the later is in 'thisra' nadai (3) - former in chathusra
  nadai (4)
  
  
  to ......... i am not going to abuse u back cuz i pity fools and maniacs!
  Get well soon!
  
  
• From: raj (@ 211.29.136.12) on: Fri Jan 9 08:20:47 EST 2004
  
  i dont think so.. when u think of both songs it looks like it, because theeratha vilaiyatu pilai and annakili unnai theduthu lyrics sounds similar. but music different. play theeratha vilayatu pilai and then play anakili.. you will find the difference.
  i feel kanodu kanbathelam and singara velaney nee va same raaga. but i strongly feel its derived from msv's malai poluthin mayakathiley nan kanavu kanden tholi. knodu is fast malai poluthu slow.. i didnt say copy but inspired. kanodu kanbathelam also reminds me some bakthi padalkal... not quiet sure which one anyone has a clue?
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.200.60) on: Fri Jan 9 08:28:28 EST 2004
  
  u said they are different ragas why not tell the forum which raga they are?
  there's a limit to which u can defend illayaraja.
  Besides do you know that sindu bharavi song maha ganapathim sung by yesudas belongs to Maharajapuram Santhanam? I'm sure balachander and Raja would have paid him to get the royalty or whatever you call it.
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.200.60) on: Fri Jan 9 08:40:23 EST 2004
  
  raj,
  u talk about ragas now tell the forum which raga is aatama sadiratama from captain prabhakaran.
  let me see how many days u take to crack this!
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Fri Jan 9 13:59:31 EST 2004
  
  Jacky
  Mahaganapathim in Sindhu Bhairavi is a Nattai raag composition by Muthuswami Dikshitar not Maharajapuram Santhanam.
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.201.170) on: Fri Jan 9 14:10:56 EST 2004
  
  i think u r right MIL, cuz as a kid i used to listen to this song sung by Maharajapuram santhanam even b4 sindhu bairavi was made.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 211.29.136.12) on: Sat Jan 10 07:41:40 EST 2004
  
  hello the topic i was arguing is arr did not give any pure carnatic song.. and kanodu kanbathelam is not a pure carnatic song.. you cant accept this fact..so draging the topic to somewhere else.. ir has given pure carnatic songs.. leave maha ganapathim.. thats not a tamil song. the fact is IR has given plenty of pure carnatic songs and arr didnt give any.. atama therotama is not a carnatic song.. what are you talking???
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.202.226) on: Sat Jan 10 15:29:48 EST 2004
  
  From: raj (@ 211.29.136.12) on: Thu Jan 8 09:19:16 EST 2004
  
  
  adei fking malakiya bufta jacky, theeratha vilayatu pilai and annakili totaly different raaga idiot!
  
  
  
  be specific - u said they are different ragas, can u tell the raga used in both the songs or atleast one song.
  u must know the raga to have made such comments.
  This is what i asked u, come up with an answer.
  
  if u still dont understand english
  ill be more specific
  whats the raga used in annakili unna theduthey?
  eat ur own medicine!
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Sat Jan 10 20:12:21 EST 2004
  
  Jacky..
  in Mahaganapathim there is a verse.. guruguhanutham.. and Dikshitar's mudra is Guruguha..
  There is no doubt..
  like Maharajapuram santhanam.. lots of ppl in Carnatic world have sung it. there is no royalty in this case.
  
  Second. Enveetu thotathil is based on Nadavindu kaladhi namo namo song.. it does not mean that that is the copy.. it is the same Raaga and same scale.
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.2.224.132) on: Sun Jan 11 01:55:06 EST 2004
  
  thanks for the info about enveetu thotathil, it was insightful.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 211.29.136.12) on: Sun Jan 11 09:13:54 EST 2004
  
  again adei fking malakiya bufta jacky, again you dont like to accept that arr cannot give pure carnatic songs.. and trying hard to turn the topic to something else.. the following is your statement. as i told earlier both are not pure carnatic numbers, and arr will never be able to give pure carnatic numbers.. if you are interested in raagas go and learn sangeetham.
  
  13:54:29 EST 2004 From: jacky (@ 210.214.132.92) on: Sat Jan 3 13:54:29 EST 2004
  ARR is leaps and bounds ahead of raja.
  4 national awards, innumerable chart toppers!
  He has shown he can compose pure carnatic numbers like enge enathu kavithai, kannodu kanbethelam.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Sun Jan 11 10:17:05 EST 2004
  
  Jacky
  then u would like this too.. Margazhi poove.. song sounds very similar to Vishnu Sahasranamam rendered by the gr8 Subbulakshmi.. which is based on Hindolam..
  and Naan thedum sevvandi poo ithu is also Hindolam. We cannot say it is copied...
  
  But Hindolam has a variation in Hindustani which is called Malkonz (bare my pronounciation) you get the idea.. but the rendering is different..
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Sun Jan 11 10:18:36 EST 2004
  
  I am sorry!!, i dont know for sure whether Naan thedum sevandi poo ithu is Hindolam based.. but will post the song that is similar in beat and scale with Maargazhi poove.
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.200.69) on: Sun Jan 11 13:36:37 EST 2004
  
  raj,
  u made a statement about ragas and i was sure u didnt know the ragas, i just wanted to expose that u didnt know.
  Thanks for making me correct.
  next time when u reply dont talk anything about ragas :)
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.200.69) on: Sun Jan 11 13:38:09 EST 2004
  
  Mil,
  yes the flute based portion of the song - it lasts about 15 secs is a direct lift from kousalya supra.....
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.1.200.69) on: Sun Jan 11 13:52:32 EST 2004
  
  raj,
  i still keep my words that rahman has touched more genre of music than raja.
  punjabi folk - like chaiya chaiya, kareye na - taal, gazals in zubeida, lots of hindustani music in various albums.
  he's also great with fusion like jiya jale.
  since rahman touched more genre of indian traditional music i'd like him to have the edge over raja - that's my personal opinion if you cant take that dont try to desperately defend writing gibberish.
  Have anything well grounded - please lay your points!
  
  
• From: raj (@ 211.29.136.12) on: Sun Jan 11 22:53:46 EST 2004
  
  jaky..... dont worry abt my raaga knowledge.. i got enough raaga knowledge. why dont u tell the raaga first.. i have already put my points there.. arr did not give any carnatic songs. not even a single song. if got more varaity than arr. from ur statement kanodu kanbathlam is a pure carnatic song i can understand ur level of music knowledge.
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.152) on: Sun Jan 11 23:28:15 EST 2004
  
  "again adei fking malakiya bufta"
  
  mmm..numerous soulful, heart touching renditions, songs, orchestras, carnatic songs, symphonys made u to behave like this?....
  
  what a pity...
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Sun Jan 11 23:51:39 EST 2004
  
  "i still keep my words that rahman has touched more genre of music than raja. punjabi folk - like chaiya chaiya, kareye na - taal, gazals in zubeida, lots of hindustani music in various albums."
  
  Yes, anybody can copy and emulate any thing. That's very true.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Sun Jan 11 23:54:18 EST 2004
  
  jacky,
  
  one more thing, we all can see u're novice
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.152) on: Mon Jan 12 00:00:15 EST 2004
  
  he he he...here same Same Old Joe...
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.152) on: Mon Jan 12 00:00:24 EST 2004
  
  he he he...here comes Same Old Joe...
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Mon Jan 12 00:24:45 EST 2004
  
  & here comes John Doe....
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.152) on: Mon Jan 12 00:32:37 EST 2004
  
  ha ha ha ..
  story telling time
  "once upon a time, someone was so eager to bash whoever copies his line...but now"...heheheh
  
  rombe santhoshama iruku..
  
  

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