Topic started by Subbiah (@ 192.39.1.92) on Wed Mar 7 14:18:35 EST 2001.
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There has always been a complaint in TFM DF that IR fans manipulate ratings etc.
Please visit the latest opinion poll conducted by Kumudam. IR wins by huge majority. If you find time, please read through the various opinions from all over the world. It is really amazing to find that we are not alone in praising IR - The Genius
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- From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11)
on: Mon Jan 5 16:58:31 EST 2004
Sridhar,
In Hey Ram IR was first choice for Kamal. But IR refused to do as there was a stigma that it was against Gandhiji.
But when Kamal approached IR final time, the movie was fully taken and shown to IR to see for himself that it has nothing against Gandhiji.(There was talk of Jeyandra Saraswati Swamigal also against using his name, which Kamal planned as his shield for the movie) Then IR accepted to do and did a marvellous job.
- From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11)
on: Mon Jan 5 17:03:33 EST 2004
Sridhar,
I too agree withyou on IR cutting on numbers and give music to good movies like PM.
It will motivate him and he will have more time to concentrate.
But then again, had he adopted this, we might not have found one Thangar Bachan or one Sethu Bala for that matter. IR really gave them life by supporting them emotionally and taking the story to various directors himself as he felt they deserve that attention. These are from Thangar's and Bala's own words.
- From: ambeen (@ 203.117.10.18)
on: Tue Jan 6 00:41:48 EST 2004
Sridhar,
"I also wonder one more thing, Kamal hassan talks so much about Raja then why wasn't raja the first choice for hey ram? why did he opt L subramaniam?"
A bit of history for u: Kamal's 1st choice for all his films is IR. They are the best of friends and apart from that Kamal is one of the many who recognises IR's briliance in his artform. But of late, IR does not want to do many movies as he got his own agenda. He only choses certain movies but will do more for his other friends in the industry. Kamal, recognizing this, had an agreement with IR that he won't call him for his 'dappa' movies. That is why others were the MD for many other recent Kamal movies. When Hey Ram came, Kamal went to IR. But due to some principles that IR had regarding the story, he told Kamal abt this. The decision was obviously an amicable one by both of them. Kamal went to LS. Later, when Kamal had a problem with him, he turned to his supremo for help. Thus came out a brilliant score with brilliant songs.
- From: paran (@ 202.172.56.67)
on: Tue Jan 6 01:07:04 EST 2004
mmm...logic uthaikithe
first IR disagree's to the story..later agrees..
if yes..then why didn't Kamal convince IR in the first attempt itself..
furthermore...the tunes doesn't belong to IR...it belongs to LS..
coz IR scored music for an finished song...so he have to make sure the lip-synchronization fits exactly..when u do that..the tunes belongs to the original composer...only the music differs...
hope u understand this "AMBEEN"
- From: jacky (@ 61.1.200.62)
on: Tue Jan 6 01:27:57 EST 2004
Ambeen,
I agree that kamal need not call IR for his movies like PKS and panchatantram.
But Anbe sivam wasn't a dappa movie, it didnt do well at the BO but sure it had class, they why didn't IR score the music for AS?
And Aalavandhan was again Kamal big project? it was sure a dappa movie but it was taken on big budgets, so why was IR missing there?
I bought the cassette of virumandi the day it was launched, i think 2 songs are not of raja's class at all.
1. unna vida
2. sandiyare sandiyare
They dont show us the raja who composed songs for mahanadi, thevar magan.
- From: MADDY (@ 203.192.199.36)
on: Tue Jan 6 01:50:12 EST 2004
cut it off guys....... it is becoming more of like a Indo-Pak fight........ even they seem to find an agreement.........so pls stop it.........Kumumdam does not reflect my opinion,paran's opinion and many other ARR fans's opinion.........all ARR fans will agree that IR is a gr8, so there is no room for disagreeing..............
- From: MADDY (@ 203.192.199.36)
on: Tue Jan 6 02:05:19 EST 2004
Provoked by kumudam i set out to do my own survey with a sample of 150 common people(non-ARR and Non-IR hardcores) and i found out this:
1.who do u think is the gr8est in tfm?
IR- 53.33%
ARR- 33.33%
Both- 8%
others- 5.33%
2.do u still listen to ARR?
Yes,very much- 49.33%
if it is good- 37.33%
no, not at all-13.33%
while in Mumbai,
who do u look up for providing good songs?
ARR- 76.66%
Shankar-ehsaan-loy- 17.33%
others - 6 %
so i dunt think ARR is in such a crisis as indicated by kumudam and IR-fans.........
(ps: this is a very amateurish and non-scientific opinion poll and does not reflect the opinion of general public)
- From: jacky (@ 61.1.200.62)
on: Tue Jan 6 02:07:01 EST 2004
thats what i said quite a few posts before but guys like ambleen just dont accept reality.
i will quit this topic.
Can someone post interesting topics please?
this is a sincere request.
Thanks.
Jacky.
- From: JK (@ 61.11.77.245)
on: Tue Jan 6 02:14:00 EST 2004
paran!
Raja's tunes in Hey ram are original of his own. not of LS. If it is the case, then LS would have filed a case against IR. At the time of release itself Kamal expressed his surprise and wonder about composing for already picturised song in new and beautiful tunes.
Raja, with his own tunes, matched the lip movement.thats the truth.
In Kadalora kavithaigal also, he did a song 'Dhas Dhas" which was already picturised. But it has no lip movement.But the wonder is.. the tune matches the shots picturised by bharathiraja. That is Raja.Bharathiraja also expressed his satisfaction and wonder for the tune of this song.
- From: paran (@ 202.172.56.67)
on: Tue Jan 6 02:38:57 EST 2004
JK ..i don't get it..
it in the picture..the lip movement for the word "APPLE"..were shot...when u rerecord it should be "APPLE"..
it can never be "AAAAPPPLLEEEE"..rite?....so who sets the tune?
- From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18)
on: Tue Jan 6 02:58:28 EST 2004
"furthermore...the tunes doesn't belong to IR...it belongs to LS.. "
Ade mada saambraani, from this ppl wld know how knowledgeable u r in tfm/hfm/wfm!
somebody from the ARR camp, plz teach this stray something before it strays.
- From: jacky :) (@ 61.1.200.13)
on: Tue Jan 6 03:08:00 EST 2004
by the way ambleen
how much did u donate to thiruvasakam project?
Raja needs more than your text support on chat forums and message boards!
- From: Jk (@ 61.11.77.245)
on: Tue Jan 6 03:15:39 EST 2004
paran!
"APPLE" cannot be pronounced as "AAAPPLLEE". But u can notate apple as "sa ri ga". u can notate 'apple' as 'ri ga ma' or 'sa ni pa'.
if LS notate it as "sa ri ga" IR notate it as "sa ni pa"
Got it?
- From: paran (@ 202.172.56.67)
on: Tue Jan 6 03:19:50 EST 2004
"Ade mada saambraani, from this ppl wld know how knowledgeable u r in tfm/hfm/wfm! "
ungala mathiri thaan yennakum knowledge undu...
hehehehe...
JK are u trying to say that he actually modified..and not created...
- From: JK (@ 61.11.77.245)
on: Tue Jan 6 03:25:44 EST 2004
'sa ri ga' is totally different from 'sa ni pa'
- From: jacky (@ 61.1.201.172)
on: Tue Jan 6 03:32:26 EST 2004
jk - that was good! atleast u r trying to put some sense here!
- From: rasigan (@ 195.39.134.84)
on: Tue Jan 6 03:34:07 EST 2004
In one of TV channel, as a part of one programme,
they used to show video songs but audio will be
different songs.
Like, for old song, the audio will be some new song. Mostly song matches with the video (including dance). Not sure about the programme and channel.
This is something similar to mixing in video coverage (for marriages).
The point is, the composer can make many tunes for the same schene, if he is capable. And, that's what happened with Hey Ram.
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on: Tue Jan 6 03:37:19 EST 2004
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- From: JK (@ 61.11.77.245)
on: Tue Jan 6 03:41:17 EST 2004
Thank u jacky!
- From: raj (@ 211.29.136.12)
on: Wed Jan 7 08:24:43 EST 2004
adiye paren.. i didnt say all songs in ivan are carnatic songs. stupid malasian! ok ipa onaku theliva soluren apayavathu onoda mara mandaikula eruthanu parpom. Ivan got 9 songs. athula Kanan nee en isai, Enakena yar ingey and Enai ena seithai are carnatic songs. but If you say kanodu kanbathelam is a pure carnatic song then that means you can say all songs in ivan are pure carnatic songs.
- From: jacky (@ 61.1.200.184)
on: Wed Jan 7 13:15:38 EST 2004
guys cool it off what matters to music company md's and the common audiences like me is a enticing tune, hummable thats all.
Raja's appide pakurathellam and nipathuve were great, similarly rahmans kanodu kanbethelam and enge enathu kavithai were great!
That's all.
- From: * (@ 161.114.64.71)
on: Wed Jan 7 14:26:02 EST 2004
yo paran, IR's composition on Hey Ram and the intricacies have been debated to death in several old threads in this forum. Just dont bring out some nonsense for the sake of putting up some argument.
- From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11)
on: Wed Jan 7 15:55:52 EST 2004
Paran,
IR has once again proved that he could do the songs for already picturized songs in Sambu.(Telugu movie).
IR has exceptional talent and experience in movie music. I don't think that IR's selfrespect will allow him to LS tunes on the first place.
In fact Kamal's first request was to leave the songs as done by LS and requested IR to do the BGM alone without knowing IR could do good music for already shooted songs. This is told by IR in Hey Ram interview done in Sun TV, I guess. IR clearly refused this, but offered to give different tunes. Kamal told that he can reshoot songs alone. IR told that it is not necessary, but it will take one week for one song, but he can give new tune matching existing picturization. To Kamal's surprise, he gave all the tunes in one week.(This was told by Kamal)
Hope this clears your doubt.
- From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11)
on: Wed Jan 7 16:00:35 EST 2004
Paran,
"In fact Kamal's first request was to leave the songs as done by LS and requested IR to do the BGM alone "
can be read as
In fact Kamal's first request after split with LS was to leave the songs as done by LS and requested IR to do the BGM alone
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