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Who gave more hit songs in First Ten Years - IR or ARR?

Topic started by Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 12.92.214.200) on Mon Jun 25 22:47:19 EDT 2001.
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• From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Mon Aug 13 14:23:42 EDT 2001
  
  Hi Yaaro,
  Pls give some explanations and dont use this thread to just laugh away.
  
  Regarding Star Sales, I had read the album earlier itself. Why it has'nt sold is because it was already made in Hindi and ppl had already heard the music. And as for the film, I think it is running this much time only because ARR put the music.
  
  Hi JAG,
  I dont know how you can manage to say that ppl dint like ARR Telugu songs. So you say that Alaipayuthe is dubbed and all that Stupid stuff. Neverthless it is ARR's music and it becoming a hit prooves that ARR's music has croosed the cultural barrier. Moreover his 'GangMaster' was a great hit over their ( I lived in Hyderabad ).
  
  //HE is definitely getting stereotyped. WHen a new ARR album releases I hope I can get music like that in Roja, Thiruda Thiruda Gentleman, Pudiya Mugam, new and vibrant, but the music sounds so similar to his other albums.//
  
  I dont know whether your obsession for IR has made your auditory senses go numb. How can you ever say that he is Stereotyped ? He is putting music right from Fusion, Hindustani, Classical, English ( Bombay Dreams - I dunno the type of Music ), Western Pop, Electronica and the local Dappankuttu. I hear variety every time in his films. I think you are just lying when you tell that Roja, Gentleman sound the same.
  
  IR puts the same type of music, uses the same instruments and the same beats in all his songs. Most of his beats are the same. Is Rahman's so ? Can you pick out any of them ?
  
  Moreover ARR has managed to cross the CULTURAL BARRIER across India. PPl all over like him. IR was'nt as successfull.
  
  AND HE IS LEARNING ALL THE WHILE... EXPERIMENTS ALL THE TIME... ANYONE ONE FOR ARGUING ?
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.217) on: Mon Aug 13 14:58:27 EDT 2001
  
  //what 3 movies?? //
  
  Super police
  Gang master
  Palnati Porusham (remake of Kizhalakku cheemayilae)
  all three are flops, two of them musically too.
  
  //what is the recent IR telugu music in the last decade? //
  Antahpuram(hit), Chinnabbai(flop).(more this year, big ones too)
  Great music really looking forward to more of it.
  
  
  //suddenly the albums of ARR seem hazy to u//
  not so suddenly, they have been from his first album itself. When I heard Pudhu vellaimalai(in the radio ad) from Roja I immediately thought what is Kraftwerk's beat doing in an Indian movie, it sounded out of place , of course it looked alright when I heard it twice or thrice.
  
  //you have a vague parameter called "direction" based on which u have decided to jusdge ARR. //
  I have not judged ARR or IR personally on any basis. What I meant by direction was that ARR is trying fusion and all sorts of music without caring for the quality of output, which is not the right thing to do. WHatever music he makes should be remain for a long time , that should be the direction of his music.
  
  Gmaruthi:
  
  //I think you are just lying when you tell that Roja, Gentleman sound the same//
  
  They don't sound the same but movies other than them sound similar.
  
  //'GangMaster' was a great hit//
  Only one song.
  
  //ARR's music has croosed the cultural barrier//
  Like wise all IR's tamil dubbed movies in telyugu were big musical hits and many of the ran because they had IR's music.So they are even here.
  
  //. IR was'nt as successfull. //
  In perspective, he was very successful and still is.
  
  //IR puts the same type of music, uses the same instruments and the same beats in all his songs//
  you are way out of your depth aren't you?
  
  Yup, past is the best. No argument. In fact I don't want argue with anyone. who am I to change the way people think?
  
  Jag
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Mon Aug 13 15:31:57 EDT 2001
  
  //"What I meant by direction was that ARR is trying fusion and all sorts of music without caring for the quality of output, which is not the right thing to do"//
  
  which to put it simply ARR music doesnt impress u! This point has been cloaked abd covered in the disguise of direction!
  
  Yu have thr right and qualification to say that. see people other than u.. for e.g me think he cares about his o/p as much as IR does?
  
  //"WHatever music he makes should be remain for a long time , that should be the direction of his music. "//
  
  see when u started off with the direction thingie u sounded as if u were infact looking for a commonality among ARR albums thro the years to see some sort of a ARR signature consistency among them...
  
  now! u simply say each album must be long lasting and good. so if thats the case why go into long term direction etc... and confuse?
  
  if u say something abt long term direction! then u should say what the direction was supposed to be (in the long term sense) and what was missing ? and give an example of another MD with such a long term direction
  
  2 different view points in posts r confusing!
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.217) on: Mon Aug 13 16:03:03 EDT 2001
  
  //which to put it simply ARR music doesnt impress u! This point has been cloaked abd covered in the disguise of direction! //
  His recent albums don't impress that is correct. No cloaking , as I said I like ARR's music, but surely will not buy the CD without listening at least once or twice.
  
  //see when u started off with the direction thingie u sounded as if u were infact looking for a commonality among ARR albums thro the years to see some sort of a ARR signature consistency among them... //
  there is nothing wrong with having consistency as well as longevity from the works of a composer.
  They might be two different concepts but a clever musician knows how to get both of them together effectively.
  
  //if u say something abt long term direction! then u should say what the direction was supposed to be (in the long term sense) and what was missing ? //
  I still love to hear Roja's songs. But hardly listen to Karutthamma, Iruvar, Mutthu, Padaiyappa, , Kandukondaien Kandukondaien. In long term sense the quality has come down from creativity to mediocrity. His direction should be towards being more creative.
  Alai Payuthey for example is a hit in telugu. It was a movie with a soft love story as theme similar to Idaithai Thirudathey(geetanjali in telugu). If ARR could sustain his beat it would have been a big hit like geethanjali or Roja. But it was a soft musical hit , one among many at that time. Maybe he is doing too many things at the same time and that's what is causing him to lose touch.
  
  
  Jag
  
  
• From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Tue Aug 14 01:17:24 EDT 2001
  
  //Cultural Barrier//
  IR hasnt been able to cross outside South India
  ARR is famouse Worldwide
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ atlwebproxy1.core.hp.com) on: Tue Aug 14 01:56:13 EDT 2001
  
  Digression
  
  I have an observation, i feel it is not correct to say that ARR's songs crossed cultural barriers in his strong forte except in a very few cases. Only his pop songs like muquala, humma humma are hits throughout india but how many people outside thamizh nadu appreciated a poraLae ponnu thayee, alaalakanda or even mettu podu?
  
  If ARR's songs are hit means they are either hip moving songs are a quwalli based "mopappa paa aaaaaaaaaaa" kind of songs. This doesn't show that ARR's music has crossed the barriers it shows that only when ARR adopts other styles his songs are listened. But it is an injustice to an able MD like ARR. I think if seen actually ARR doesnt get any better treatment than IR.
  
  IMHO, generally ARR is also seen as a southie(not in regional sense but in a less-respected sense i.e. all southie MDs know to give only folk music no "great numbers") who occasionally gives good tunes.
  
  End Digression
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Aug 14 04:54:05 EDT 2001
  
  IR +SPB+SJ had the biggets hits in Tamil Film Music's history!!
  
  
• From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Tue Aug 14 13:29:58 EDT 2001
  
  //I have an observation, i feel it is not correct to say that ARR's songs crossed cultural barriers in his strong forte except in a very few cases. Only his pop songs like muquala, humma humma are hits throughout india but how many people outside thamizh nadu appreciated a poraLae ponnu thayee, alaalakanda or even mettu podu? //
  
  Of course some songs do not cross the language barriers, but IF WERE TOLDS TO MAKE SOME SONGS THAT MUST CROSS THE CULTURAL BARRIERS, HE WILL.
  
  Just take the example of Shakalaka Baby, Vande Matram, Chayya Chayya ( even Andrew Webber Liked it )
  
  IR couldnt do so... So he was left behind ( otherwise he will be working in Bombay Dreams )
  
  
• From: Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 179.norcross-10rh16rt.ga.dial-access.att.net) on: Tue Aug 14 15:26:02 EDT 2001
  
  g.maruthi,
  
  Dei vennai, romba thullama pothikkittu poda.
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Wed Aug 15 09:38:37 EDT 2001
  
  ir didn't have the opportunities viz., tv, cd etc enjoyed by arr. much like msv. obviously, they couldn't reach a wider audience.
  
  i remember, in those days, we had only dd1, and it had oliyum oLiyum on fridays. even dd2, which had more music prog.s started only after the arrival of arr.
  
  you may ask why ir couldnt reach his heights nowadays. frankly, i don't know. but, i think many reasons contributed for this.
  
  it is wrong that ir's music it not attractive to others. i gave a collection of ir's best songs to my iraqi friend. he liked all the songs very much. he also saw the movie hey ram and highly appreciated the bgm and songs. fyi, he liked arr songs too. minnalae and deva's certain songs are the ones he is currently enjoying.
  
  carnatic music doesn't have a wide audience. not even in tn. does that mean it is less worthy? not at all. the main reason is that it was not exposed in a proper manner to many people.
  
  how many of us really know other music forms?
  
  i don't know! that's why i appreciate even deva's songs, though they are copied.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Thu Aug 16 06:10:59 EDT 2001
  
  ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT ARR GREW POPULAR ONLY BECAUSE CD'S, INTERNET, CABLE TC ARE THERE ?
  
  PLEASE DONT TAKE THE CREDIT AWAY FROM ARR USING STUPID SUGGESTIONS.
  
  Are You telling that ROJA became a hit in the North ( and they started to like ARR afterwards ) only due to CD, CABLE TV.
  
  Please dont take the DUE CREDITS away from ARR.
  
  Even now cd, cable tv and all are there but where is IR ?
  
  
• From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Thu Aug 16 06:11:27 EDT 2001
  
  ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT ARR GREW POPULAR ONLY BECAUSE CD'S, INTERNET, CABLE TC ARE THERE ?
  
  PLEASE DONT TAKE THE CREDIT AWAY FROM ARR USING STUPID SUGGESTIONS.
  
  Are You telling that ROJA became a hit in the North ( and they started to like ARR afterwards ) only due to CD, CABLE TV.
  
  Please dont take the DUE CREDITS away from ARR.
  
  Even now cd, cable tv and all are there but where is IR ?
  
  

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