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Dr.SPB , DR.KJY, M.Rafi & Kishore Kumar, who is the greatest out of these?

Topic started by Udit naryan, harihara & Kumar sanu (@ 195.92.67.65) on Fri Jan 10 12:56:43 EST 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I know it is a touch one, it is very close between Rafi & SPB, my opinion is as follows

1) SPB
2) Rafi
3) KJY
4) KK

how about yours??

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Responses:

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• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Wed Jan 15 11:20:18 EST 2003
  
  AV;
  >>"Rafi not to the level of SPB".
  This is just your personal opinion :-) In Hindi film music, Rafi is an institution and SPB an embarassment. It is good that we are spared the ordeal of listening to SPB in Hindi.
  <<
  
  so, if u say "SPB is not to the level of rafi", then that is YOUR personal opinion :-), hehe
  
  By the way, SPB not only said rafi was his favourite, but he also said KJY is guru, TMS is guru, he loves PBS big time, so what SPB says, shows that he is not an arrogant idiot like many singers, he even said that he wanted to learn carnatic music like Unni Krishnan :-)
  
  SPB may have been an embarresment in hindi due his accent, but had rafi sang in tamil, it would have been a murder,man slaughter, and what more :-)
  
  if indeed all u bother about is accent, y not get street singer from delhi & ask him/ her sing, y do u need a great like SPB or KJY????????
  
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Wed Jan 15 11:26:21 EST 2003
  
  AV;
  
  dude, I don't give a damn about singer's accent, all give damn is about their voice, the style of singing & modulation, rafi had a nice voice agreed, KK had horrible voice, but every one loves SPB's voice!
  
  >>A national award for SPBs Hindi songs is the greatest farce! <<
  
  at least the judges had better music sense than you, mate :-)).
  
  u know what is the greatest farce for northies, apart from Rafi,KK,Vinod,Mahendra kapoor, RDB & SDB, the rest are all nasal crap.
  
  we have manly singers in south like, SPB,KJY,PBS,TMS, BMK, Ghantasala, but in the north
  u get sheer clowns like Kumar sanu, (what a disgrace), Udit narayan, sonu nigam, blah blah blah
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 208.134.115.240) on: Wed Jan 15 11:39:02 EST 2003
  
  SPB-big showoff ,little talent
  KJY-constant cold sufferer, little classical skills, but thinks too much of himself
  PBS-zombie, need i say more
  TMS-good sometimes coz he had some good training, i think
  BMK-is it balamurali krishna-good sometimes
  ghantasala-this man was never alive, worse than zombie voice
  
  ALL BOLLYWOOD SINGERS - Good, Good, Good.
  
  and thats FINAL.
  end of discussion.
  EVERYBODY GO HOME.
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.149.199) on: Wed Jan 15 12:08:24 EST 2003
  
  ennada kaanumaennu paarthaen! :)
  
  Sam,
  do u know tamil by ne chance??? .... sorry if uve already told this .... but jus wanna know
  
  btw SPB-big show off,litte talent is not acceptable by even SPB haters i feel!
  
  if u want support u can try PJC fans however ;)
  
  
• From: Jyothi. (@ 213.2.111.98) on: Wed Jan 15 12:10:11 EST 2003
  
  What the hell is everyone on about. SPB's accent in hindi is not bad at all. All of u are exaggerating. Even bollywood singers don't pronounce some hindi/words words correctly.
  
  I personally feel his hindi accent is as good as Hariharan's.
  Besides SPB is able to emote the right feelings in any songs he renders.
  So all of u just f*** off!!!
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 208.134.115.240) on: Wed Jan 15 12:50:55 EST 2003
  
  is dis how all south indian women talk?
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 208.134.115.240) on: Wed Jan 15 12:58:39 EST 2003
  
  forgot.
  LOL!
  
  
• From: Jyothi. (@ 213.2.111.98) (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Wed Jan 15 13:21:47 EST 2003
  
  I am from Sam's hometown only..:-)
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 208.134.115.240) on: Wed Jan 15 14:12:46 EST 2003
  
  Jyothi r u single?
  
  
• From: Jyothi. (@ 213.2.111.98) (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Wed Jan 15 14:58:53 EST 2003
  
  Yes Sam..Whats the matter?Are u single too?give me your mail id..
  
  
• From: Meow (@ 66.138.140.161) on: Wed Jan 15 15:14:29 EST 2003
  
  "Jyothi r u single?"
  
  Sam nice start!!
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 208.134.115.240) on: Wed Jan 15 16:56:54 EST 2003
  
  jyothi u r fast. send me a mail
  
  
• From: Double (@ 32.97.182.46) on: Wed Jan 15 17:39:47 EST 2003
  
  Jyothi,
  I am supersonic! how does that grab you?
  
  
• From: Jyothi. (@ 213.2.111.98) (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Wed Jan 15 17:42:43 EST 2003
  
  Sam,
  Got my mail?
  
  
• From: Ali (@ 24.102.31.216) on: Wed Jan 15 22:29:28 EST 2003
  
  OSIG,
  
  Breathing is the single most important element in singing. In order to control your voice you have to put out exactly the amount of breath you need for the sound you want to make. This particular breath needs to be very focused. How you exhale controls the quality of the sound, the volume and partially controls the pitch and the tone. How you inhale governs how you exhale. Without proper breath control, all aspects of singing that you learn cannot be truly mastered. An untrained singer eventually reaches a creative dillema because it is breath support that turns ideas into sound. This is the reason why I said earlier that many southern artists say it is beneficial to learn hindustani music since it improves breath control and makes a singer better trained for creative challeneges if the need should arise. No matter what form of music there is out there as you have mentioned, without effective training in breathing it cannot be possible to master it.
  When you mention that hindi actors could not match SPB on screen, is it their fault or is it SPB not being able to emote the lyrics properly ?. SPB may make you fall in love with a SI song but when he sang Rafi's songs on stage it lacked that josh because he couldn't express these words properly. Same applies to his hindi songs for movies. Singing in hindi is much harder than singing in SI languages no matter what anyone says.
  There are more "jha","ha","tha", "kha","ja","fa". These words take away the breath faster. The more
  expressive you are the more air you are using up. Just singing from the throat level does not
  do justice to any song, your throat also needs to do a lot for singing in languages such as hindi,
  bengali, marathi etc. SPB makes you reach heavens with his SI songs but same cannot be said about when he sings in Hindi. SPb doesn't require that breath control when singing in SI languages. If you just glide through hindi/urdu words just sounding them, you will never be expressive. If Rafi could be so expressive in terms of Hindi/Urdu what makes you think that he couldn't do the same in SI languages. For your info when you are talking about different languages. Rafi sang in many Indian languages such as bengali, marathi etc. in which one needs this proper expression of words. This is what makes Rafi stand apart from others.
  
  Raghu,
  
  >>>ridicilous arguments, so if rafi was never born or born after SPB, then 'Ek Duje Ke Liye' would probably have happened in SPB's voice.
  
  I don't think you seem to understand my english as others here do. If you look back in history you will realize that LP were staunch Rafi devotees and they always created their best melodies for Rafi. In the 70's when KK came into the limelight and all the hype about him was being created, LP balanced their Rafi/KK equation but still saved their best for Rafi. And towards the late 70's and into the 80's they practically sidelined KK and only used him in choice songs while giving Rafi most of their songs.
  All the best LP albums which made them rule the roost and surmount any challenge for a very long time were all mostly by Rafi & Lata. Into the 80's, albums like Sargam, Judaai, Aasha, Dostana, Do Premee, Naseeb etc. were all Rafi based. So it goes without any exageration that if Rafi had lived into the year 81, he would have still been the top male choice for LP and for every other MD as well (FYI, RDB took composing more to Rafi
  again towards the late 70's and into the 80's) which is why a score such as 'Ek Duje Ke Liye'
  would probably have been in Rafi's voice because Rafi was LP's favourite singer. Because Rafi
  passed away there was a void left behind and this demoralized LP so much that they had to try
  something new and now be psychologically prepared for any favourite singer's absence. And since
  SPB was Kamal's voice down south, they thought why not try him in hindi and see what happens. If
  Rafi was alive it would have made proper sense to try the then top voice on a still struggling Kamal Hasaan trying to find his mark in hindi films. It's not a question of being born first or being born after as you have said. Your response makes it sound immature and child's play. If you don't want to look back at history then that's your own loss.....but oops i forgot.....you don't look back into any history and make comments for the hell for it.
  
  You also make comments like the South has singers like SPB,KJY,PBS etc and then compare them to singers like Udit, Sonu of now. Those are present day singers and not past singers. Have you heard of any other singer from the north besides Rafi/KK ??. There is Mukesh,Manna Dey,Talat Mahmood,Hemant Kumar etc who are all legends in their own right. And yo mention that northies are narrow minded ??......look who's talking buddy ??
  
  As Av said, don't pretend to be a fan of Rafi or KK when you haven't even heard 10 % of their songs. You make all these comments based on limited knowledge in that field. Have you ever though about researching the songs of Rafi when SPB/KJY/IR/Jayachandran and practically all male singers in India say that he is their idol and their ultimate ??. I mean if I heard cricket legends saying that Sachin was the best batsmen as of modern times, I wouldn't just shut it down and go only by my opinion, I would research his career. You know stats aren't everything. It's how many of those match winning knocks he's had to make India win, how much his temperament is at the crease and how many good shots he's played etc. I'm sure Sachin would trade in some of his career stats just to win matches for India !!.
  
  Are Yaar,
  
  There is no point in arguing with Raghu because he seems to think that his opinions are true facts with the limited knowledge he has put forth. If you feel TMS and Ghantasala have a good bass voice then stand by it. Don't let Raghu fool you into changing your opinion because he seems to have made a habit out of that.
  
  Whn you talk about covering types, no doubt SPB has covered many types of genres, but Rafi has also equalled this in many aspects.
  Romantic/slow/fast/sad/pop/rock/ etc are the types that both singers have sung in their respective careers. But let me say one thing that it is not only how many types you have sung but how much of an impact you make on those types. When Rafi sings a bhajan, people take notice, but when another singer sings the same thing, questions start arising on his singing aspects. Rafi had the ability to cover any mood at any time with the right amount of expression. That is why artists all over India admire that quality in him even to the extent of SPB's sister Sailaja saying that she hasn't seen such expression yet from any other singer including her brother. Why are so many artists in awe of the talents Rafi had. Rafi also covered many types like the qawalli, thumri etc. which SPB hasn't tried yet so lets not talk about genres in that aspect.
  
  There is this 82 year old veteran Swamiji who has had the opportunity to have close associations with many singers around India such as
  Rafi,SPB,KJY,Lata,Asha,KK,MD,TMS etc. and is fotunate to have been in the recording room with all these singers. He mentioned that when
  Rafi and Lata hummed in the recording studio, it felt silly to hum in their presence because the level was so high !!. I mean so many artists have mentioned Rafi is the most versatile ever that we must go out and hear his songs to find out why everyone is saying this. The interesting thing is that whenever a topic on singes arises, everyone starts comparing any singer to Rafi. You hear all the time Rafi vs KK, Rafi vs Mukesh, Rafi vs SPB, Rafi vs Talat, Rafi vs KJY etc etc. This only leads to one fact that Rafi is regarded as a benchmark for all singers and his talent is testimony to that fact. No other singer draws such comparisons to him other than Rafi which should tell all those in doubt something. And its not good to put Rafi and KK on the same level. It is infact an insult ot Rafi's talent to be bracketed alongside KK. Rafi will remain Rafi SAAB a title that has been bestowd upon to him by India. If you can call SPB and KJY Dr. because of their degrees you can certainly call Rafi by the title he is known by.
  
  Comparing Rafi and SPB is like comparing Wasim and Walsh. Sure Walsh may hold the record of most number of wickets, his ability to bowl with venom on fast pitches, his ability to cover many aspects of fast bowling with ease, bouncers, slow ball etc, speed etc. But Wasim has shown he has more variety i.e inswinging yorker, slower ball cutters, etc., wider bowling range i.e. different variations, variety, etc. and when in full form is regarded as the most feared bowler of all as well as also a benchmark for fast bowlers upcoming because of his style and variety. In this case Walsh being SPB and Wasim being Rafi.
  
  Regards,
  
  
• From: sowjanya (@ 219.65.97.122) on: Wed Jan 15 23:56:32 EST 2003
  
  s.p.b is nice start
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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