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Why ARR's BGM is still bad even after 10 years??!!

Topic started by Saran (@ 164.164.46.20) on Thu Apr 25 06:53:28 EDT 2002.
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Surprising! Even after 10years, ARR still a kid in BGM. Even in his latest KM, BGM lacks a lot. Especially in the scenes where the BGM need to lift the scene. Does his musical talent is LIMITED only to the songs or his CREATIVITY misses something whenever it comes to BGM or does he need MUCH MORE TIME to compose it? Yeah, i agree perceptions differ. Lets see how it goes.....

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• From: WN (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Thu May 9 09:13:16 EDT 2002
  
  RP stands for Prakash Ramamoorthy. yaaro, my initials are PR as well. :-) But I do not agree with u.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Thu May 9 12:43:50 EDT 2002
  
  See, IR had enough opertunity to compose in rustic tunes. Hundred of films, where IR is the only hope. Folk based songs are IR's home ground.
  95% times he makes a century there.
  
  Also, in IR's era, he had enough opertunity to compose for various situations and there were directors to give such situations.
  
  Now, in ARR era, we cannot expect such out and out village subjects or any emotional story that will challenge a MD. Of the little he has got in recent times, like KM, 1947, Lagaan and TLOBS, I think ARR has done his best on these things.
  But even now, for films like Azhagi or kutti, people go to IR only and not to any other MD (So ARR also included) because, IR has that experience and these new MD (ARR inclusive) are more seen as Market potential MD's for hip hop numbers.
  Recently, I was with an interation with one of mad ARR fan. He was litrally begging (just emoting) to ARR to give hits like Kadhal desam or any other fast number. When I said that ARR is recently doing excellent job and has matured very much and is now doing lot of experimental films that others don't dare to do nowadays, he simply says all is fine and he liked all, but enough is enough...what he need is a damn hit numbers..just full dance number.
  When, the public taste is so vague, you cannot expect an MD to sustain experimenting.
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Fri May 10 10:55:52 EDT 2002
  
  Nice Post WhyNot.
  But as Kupps said many songs in that list is not Sthn folk IMO.
  Nice that u have agreed ARR is not a expert in Sthn folk..We can safely say he experimented in it.
  In the lighter side we can say ARR's folk is like Keppa kuzh poured in a nealty decorated BEER glass..or Pizza given in a Vaazhai ilai?
  If u analyze the posts u can see that Udhaya(a good lyricist) concentrates on the lyrical part of ARR's folk and rajaG(a good singer) giving emphasis on the singing and Trend as usual as a good ARR fan..:-)
  Can southn folk can also be learned like other music forms like Carnatic,Western?Anyway we shud appreciate ARR in trying to attemp it..
  But i seriously doubt that anyone(including IR) have used the instruments that is mentioned in the link(u specified) in their folk songs.Those intruments seems to be very alien.:-)
  It will be nice to see posts from guys who have village background commenting on ARR's folk try..Kupps can u please?..:-)
  
  And regarding Trend setting(when i saw Trends post i was little confused..:-))
  u have mentioned ARR's composing stlye link.I didnt go thru it fully..sorry..but with whatever i have read in that thread it says abt the way he composes ..Trend according to me is creating something new and making others(atleast some) folow it...
  If u cud summarize the thread u mentioned then it wud be very useful for us..
  Wht i feel is he created a stamp on his songs..a ARR stamp which other MDs cudnt copy easily...Ranjit barot and Harris Jeyraj came very close to that stamp..even Deva in Asai...
  Can we say IR introduced the trend of giving great interludes and preludes..which everyone atleast tried to follow..Even MSV's and KVM's songs had that special care for interludes after IR's entry..IMO..
  and why do u give a link like this?
  "and it starts here: http://newtfmpage.com/forum/8602.29254.18.56.17.html "..:-)
  How can i see the other pages?:-)..jus joking..
  
  Finally i agree that ARR has touched some folk and he created a new trend in creating a stamp for his songs..:-)
  
  
• From: allimo (@ 208.51.40.110) on: Fri May 10 11:46:09 EDT 2002
  
  
  all Imo,
  the reason for laagan songs being a big hit is due to its nativity. This includes the melody, lyric and the pronounciation.
  Arr has clearly understood the nativity essence when composing the music. He created tunes that match the region. Infact he goes one step further he has also mixed south indian folk into laagan songs.
  
  we cannot quantify this capcaity of a composer by saying he has touched, swallowed, chewed!,
  arr makes music for motion pictures.Arr cannot use folk in urvasi urvasi or hamma hamma.
  
  "Indian" film music is composed on various requirements!, arr is doing this task perfectly than anyone else we know.
  
  Camera was invented by George Eastmann , no doubt he is great, but the fact remains that there are photographers these days who are better than Mr.Eastmann.
  
  
• From: Ellaam Neram (@ 202.9.184.74) on: Sat May 11 01:01:36 EDT 2002
  
  namma ooru aalungo namma ooru music-a podaradhukku naama ellaam perumai adichikka vendiyirukku... "ARR has TOUCHED folk music".. what a statement... aha... ARR folk music pottutaar.. folk music pottutaar...ennatha sollaa..!!!
  
  
• From: neramillai (@ 203.199.248.94) on: Sat May 11 03:49:50 EDT 2002
  
  onnum solla vendam..
  amused a paartha pothum!!
  
  
• From: WN (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Sat May 11 08:55:05 EDT 2002
  
  "Finally i agree that ARR has touched some folk and he created a new trend in creating a stamp for his songs..:-)"
  
  Peeps, I'm glad something constructive came out of this discussion. :-)
  I agree with allimo(srik?), that we cannot try to place a measure on the amount of folk in his music and 'touched' is not at all an appropriate word here, tho I believe I understand what u r trying to say.
  ARR has always remained versatile according to the situation, without giving too much emphasis to any particular genre of music (which has so far been useful in preventing him from being labelled as the 'folk' MD etc.)
  
  There is no way I can personally summarise tat giant of a thread! Besides anyone truly interested shudnt have any problems going thro it.
  
  With regards to folk music, I dont believe they use the very original form of all such folk instruments either, tho I cud easily be wrong. Like it was mentioned in tat article, there are carnatic equivalents to some of these instruments, and it may be more practical to use those. Besides, if folk music is to reproduced for recording purposes for CD-quality music, some amount of its original nature is inevitably going to be lost along the way. AIMHO.
  I've heard folk music is not formally taught in the same way classical music is. There are no preset time frames within which to learn either. But it is a very intriguing area no doubt.
  Maybe peeps shud start a folk music thread to discuss this further.
  
  "naama ellaam perumai adichikka vendiyirukku"
  Ellaam Neram, I think peeps did not say it in perumai, but in concession.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 64.126.84.100) on: Thu May 16 20:28:05 EDT 2002
  
  RP/yaaro:
  I am sorry for the delayed response to your observation on telugu folk songs by IR. My point was
  a. Suvvi suvvi suvvaalammaa (despite Kamalahaasan's dialogue about 'maa saapradhaayamulO ee paata...') is a good melody in madhyamaavathi with a 3/4th beat. There was nothing Telugu folk about it. Or let me rephrase it in another way. If the song was originally released as 'thuLLi thuLLi' in Tamil you, me and others would not be saying, "Gee whiz! IR has imported a Telugu folk genre into thamizh film music". In that sense, there was nothing "thelugu" about the song (apart from the language).
  b. aamani paadavE haayigaa is definitely NOT a folk tune.
  Examples of thelugu folk (not by IR) 1. konda gaali thirigindhi gundE oosulaadindhi 2. kOlu kOluyamma..
  
  The reason I mentioned thaazhaiyaam poo mudichchu is explained in the PPP of the lyrics page. This was an adaptation of a SDB humming of a Bengali boatman's tune (used by him in a famous Hindi song).
  
  I am not saying that IR did not explore the folk genre of different regions. I am just wondering if the thelugu songs you have listed are "thelugu folk" despite being thelugu originals.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri May 17 01:29:21 EDT 2002
  
  Wht i feel is he created a stamp on his songs..a ARR stamp which other MDs cudnt copy easily...Ranjit barot and Harris Jeyraj came very close to that stamp..even Deva in Asai...
  Can we say IR introduced the trend of giving great interludes and preludes..which everyone atleast tried to follow..Even MSV's and KVM's songs had that special care for interludes after IR's entry..IMO..
  
  
  ARR introduced the trend of more importance to the rhythm and sound (whether it is good/bad is not the point here but definitely it is a trend set by ARR). Due to this trend ARR's music making method is different (like first forming base tune and working extensively on rhythm asking the singers to sing with their own sangadhis etc etc).
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 213.121.212.121) on: Fri May 17 13:03:05 EDT 2002
  
  these songs were a blend of folk and carnatic music.Beleive me-I am a telugu chap:-)
  for eg-the song in unnal mudiyum thambi-punjai undu-kamal declares he is going to mix folk with some raaga-gemini was not too impressed with that.The identical situation song in Rudra veena is tarlirada kane vasantham.(Have you heard the song randi randi from the same movie-amzing WCM like string arrangements-no wonder they gave raaja national award that year)
  
  
• From: WN (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Fri May 17 13:47:13 EDT 2002
  
  "Beleive me-I am a telugu chap:-)"
  So wud being a telegu chap make u an authority in telegu music & telegu folk? btw, i am also a telegu by birth, but know nuts abt telegu culture or folk and cant even string one decent sentence in telegu. :-)
  
  
• From: urshadowuthoughtme...once (@ 153.39.78.61) on: Fri May 17 14:20:27 EDT 2002
  
  telegu appidinu sollumpodhae theriyardhu you cant even string one decent sentence in telugu appidinu;-))
  
  
• From: WN (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Fri May 17 15:16:34 EDT 2002
  
  urshadowuthoughtme...once (@ 153.39.78.61):
  r u isaiosai? :-) "telegu" is the way it is officially spelled (at least in my spore documents).
  doesnt mean "tele" is pronounced the same way as the tele in telephone.:-)
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.48.162) on: Fri May 17 15:29:49 EDT 2002
  
  well whynot,
  just because u r telugu and dont know nuts,why should that apply to me?kadavule...:-)
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.48.162) on: Fri May 17 15:30:46 EDT 2002
  
  BTW, did you ever listen to those songs at all?
  
  

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