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Greatest Contribution of Ilayaraja to TFM

Topic started by Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on Wed Feb 13 23:08:16 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

What is Contribution? It means doing some thing that has never been done before. Or playing a significant role. In Thamizh, the word that comes to mind is "puratchi."
I believe every aspect of our great Isai Gnani has been explored in this forum except for a particular genre of songs. In this particular kind of songs, Ilayaraja is the mudisoodaa mannan. No one from MSV, KVM, ARR can touch Ilayaraja in this matter.

Okay, enough of this, let me get to the matter at hand. I urge all Fans, Fanatics, Dissenters and everyone else to contribute to this thread. Let me do the Pillayar Suzhi:

1. Nethu rathiri yemma (ursurpassed description of what happened)
2. Nilaa kaayuthu (who would have thought that munungals can be put to tune)
3. Antha nilavathaan naa kaiyule pudichen (by the master himself)
4. Eduthu vach paalum virichu vacha paayum (if music can be sexy, this is it)
5. Maaman oru naal malliyapoo koduthaan (innocent but deadly)
6. Orampo orampo rukkumani vandi varuthu (no doublespeak here - every thing is direct)
7. Raathiriyil poothirukkum (what a romatic song!)
8. Vaada vaattuthu (yet another masterpiece by the master himself)

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Responses:

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• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Fri Mar 1 02:47:29 EST 2002
  
  Pras
  Both can be used. Ulagalavu is more appropriate. If you take some sand and hold it in your hand (like a ba-ll) - that denotes what you know. Compare that to the sand in the whole world (shape of Earth) - what you don't know.
  
  END OF DIGRESSION
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri Mar 1 08:16:48 EST 2002
  
  ROTFL, wat was so special about the link above? Wat was in there tat upset u so much? I dont get it. it jus had some songs and some links. why r ur ears aching? Is there something i missed? jus wondering.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.162.171) on: Fri Mar 1 09:19:03 EST 2002
  
  psst. WhyNot,
  Beware, if you think the songs are okay, the HCIRF will go crazy announcing to the world about your "tastes." :)
  
  
• From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23) on: Fri Mar 1 10:03:25 EST 2002
  
  Gowri,
  
  I remember 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 15, so you would lose your bet. That's not bad at all considering that I havn't heard these types of songs in more than 10 years.
  
  BTW # 13 is Eri karaiYIN mele poravale pennmaiyile, I hate it when people mess up the lyrics! :)
  
  
  
• From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23) on: Fri Mar 1 10:23:55 EST 2002
  
  ...I took less than five minutes to recall the above...
  
  Gowri, dont pat yourself on the back too much, shoulder suzhikka poguthu! :)
  
  2. Naan maanthoppil nindirunthen,
  avan maambazham vendum endraan, athai koduthaalum vaangavillai antha kannam vendum endran
  hoiyya hoiyya....
  
  6. Sivappu kallu mookkuthi
  sirikka vantha maankutti, thangamugathula kunguma pottu vachukittu, nee engadi
  pora ??? seela kattikittu
  
  7. Adi ennadi raakkamaa
  pallaakku nezhippu en nenju kulunguthadi, kannaadi mookuthi maanika sivappu machana izhukuthadi
  
  8. Ondru enggal jaathiye
  ondru engal neethiyey, uzhaikkum makkal yaavarum oruvar petra makkaley
  
  If you can give the next lines correctly for 12,13, 14, and 15 I'll concede you have a right to start this thread.
  
  
• From: Aadhavan (@ 203.106.162.171) on: Fri Mar 1 10:33:02 EST 2002
  
  What are you trying to prove tigger.
  
  You made an ignorant comment and she proved you wrong. Instead of accepting defeat graciously, you are now changing your line of defense.
  
  Grow up man!
  
  
• From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23) on: Fri Mar 1 11:09:37 EST 2002
  
  I dont remember any ignorant comment I made. I said I dont remember many of the village style Pre IR songs. Is that an ignorant comment?
  
  Gowri than listed a whole many songs and challenged me by saying "I bet you don't even know half of these songs..."
  
  I said I remember more than half, and threw him/her a counter-bet.
  
  Now what's your problem with that?
  
  
• From: Aadhavan (@ 203.106.162.171) on: Fri Mar 1 11:24:51 EST 2002
  
  I think your problem is short-memory!
  
  I think the greatest contribution of IR to TFM is that he brought the village song to the forefront so that it was no longer
  a "poor cousin" to other types of songs.
  
  
  I was basing my observation on the fact that almost all of the popular pre-IR songs I have heard are not "village" songs. I have heard and enjoyed a lot of MSV songs, but the most memorable among them have never had a village ambience AFAIK.
  
  Who said all the above?
  Not me for sure.
  
  But now that it has been brought to your knowledge that village songs existed well before IR came into he scene, one would expect you to accept that you know precious little of pre-IR days.
  
  But no, you won't. You just want to carry on the argument in a different direction.
  And then you plead innocence.
  
  Excellent!
  
  
• From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23) on: Fri Mar 1 11:48:30 EST 2002
  
  ..I was basing my observation on the fact that almost all of the popular pre-IR songs I have heard are not "village" songs. I have heard and enjoyed a lot of MSV songs, but the most memorable among them have never had a village ambience AFAIK.. tigger
  
  ..But now that it has been brought to your knowledge that village songs existed well before IR came into he scene, one would expect you to accept that you know precious little of pre-IR days... aadhavan
  
  I never said IR INTRODUCED village songs. So how can you claim that "..it has been brought to your knowledge that village songs existed well before IR came into he scene.."
  
  I just said that "the most memorable among them (MSV's songs) never had a village ambience..".
  I stand by that statement. Make a list of top 50 MSV songs and we'll see how many of them are village songs.
  
  I just said IR brought them to the forefront. Before him, they just had "good personality". He made them "Beautiful".
  
  
• From: Mr. O (@ 64.105.35.174) on: Fri Mar 1 18:33:37 EST 2002
  
  tigger, 'village songs' can happen when the situation is village based. There are several old folk/village oriented songs that have covered all moods, right from 'opparis' to love duets and fun & frolic. Some examples...
  thAzhayAm poo mudichchu - MSV-TKR
  (Newly weds....the villager breaks into a song admiring his newly wed wife's walk with an undercurrent of the typical village innocence)
  ArOdum maNNil engum neerOdum - MSV-TKR
  (A supreme folk melody taking a deeply philosophical look at the life of a villager and his attitude. Hats off to MSV-TKR-Kannadasan team for the above songs!!!)
  aNNachchi vEtti kattum AmbaLayA neenga - MSV-TKR
  (The hero here is invited to tame the cow during a village gathering)
  vatta vatta pArayilE - MSV-TKR
  Karaharapriya used in a rural setting. Compare the start of the charanams between this song and IR's 'thAnA vantha santhanamE' (another good song in a village setting).
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: aavEndhan (@ 64.126.84.100) on: Sat Mar 2 11:12:45 EST 2002
  
  Mr.O,
  
  aNNaachchi! tigger sonna point vEra. He is not disputing that MDs prior to IR had wonderful sons with a "village/folk" background. However, it is true that IR brought about a distinct stamp of village/folk to his music. He was aided by the movie plots (Bharathiraja esp.) and he also chose singers who, he felt, had the "rustic" village voice. I believe that was one reason that he did not use SPB a lot during his early songs.
  
  Anyway, to most TFM fans IR's greatest contributions range from orchestration, maNvaasanai, prominent use of bass guitar, the violins+flute+acoustic guitar combo, more frequent western classical adapted BGMs, use of many rare ragas from Carnatic Music, bringing SJ to the forefront, re-recording, ...........
  
  Specifically to Gowri (and he/she/it stands alone in this class of one), IR's greatest contribution is the orgasmic sounds in ponmEni urugudhE, nilaa kaayudhE, and the vulgar lyrics in TFM. Man! even if I thought these were great contributions, I will give the due credit to SJ (for the sounds), Vairamuthu (for the lyrics) and Directors (for the situation). But then, when all of one's blodd is rushing to a different part of the body, you cannot expect the mind to operate with sanity. :-)
  
  
  
  
• From: Aadhavan (@ 203.106.188.121) on: Sat Mar 2 11:39:50 EST 2002
  
  tigger
  Sevudan kaathukku sanggu oothuna kathaiyaa irukku.
  
  There are four categores of people:
  1. The man who knows he knows.
  2. The man who knows he does not know.
  3. The man who does not know he knows.
  
  and lastly, people like you, i.e.
  
  4. The man who does not know that he does not know.
  
  I have come to realise that there is no point in my trying to make you understand and I met as well just bang my head against the wall.
  
  aavEndhan/ara vEndhan
  Looks like you are jumping into the wagon, without reading the discussions from the beginning.
  
  IR's greatest contributions to TFM range from orchestration, maNvaasanai, blah, blah, blah and including pure, unadulated virasam.
  
  I know your style of giving credits. As far as all good things are concerned, give the full credit to IR. When it comes to not-so-good stuff, look for partners.
  
  Nalla vedikkai! HCIRFs always come up with such beauties:)
  
  
• From: tigger (@ 65.186.21.53) on: Sat Mar 2 12:17:37 EST 2002
  
  I have come to realise that there is no point in my trying to make you understand and I met as well just bang my head against the wall...adhavan
  
  Mr.Adhavan,
  Maybe if you took some time out and thought about this you will realize that it is very simple.
  
  suppose:
  x = number of village songs that were composed before IR
  if I had said x = 0, then you have all the rights in the world to ridicule me, but I did not.
  I merely said that x > 0 but whatever x may be those songs were not as memorable as the other songs of those times. Now that is pretty subjective I agree, so your 1st response in this thread I have no problems with. You said : "I cannot accept your statement that IR brought village songs to the forefront". That's ok with
  me, since that's your opinion.
  
  What I dont understand are all of your other statements addressed to me:
  1. "You made an ignorant comment and she proved you wrong"
  2. "Grow up man!"
  3 "Sevudan kaathukku sanggu oothuna kathaiyaa irukku."
  
  Now do you know the meaning of "prove"?
  coming back to my example, if I had said x=0, then right, Gowri proved me wrong. But I didn't say that, did I?
  
  So all this bullcrap from you leads me to ask:
  
  WHAT'S YOUR AGENDA HERE???
  
  
• From: Aadhavan (@ 210.186.61.127) on: Sun Mar 3 09:27:35 EST 2002
  
  Hmm. What could be my agenda?
  
  To locate Osama bin Laden? But then wouldn't this be the place unless he is the financier of Pagan for which ARR is to score music?
  
  Maybe to "spoil" IR's name? But who in their right mind would want to flog a dead horse, for IR is a dead horse any way. Even if some of the HCIRF's want us to believe that he is a roaring lion. :)
  
  Ahaa! Got it! To come after Tigger! But why Tigger? Maybe Tigger may want to explain this.
  
  Ayyo, ularugirene! Enge antha sevuru? :)
  
  

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