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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 4: Vaarththai Prayoagam

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Thu Jul 23 21:34:25 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but
a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just theirVaarththai Prayoagam for this thread. By vaarththai prayoagam, we mean captivating use of language, word play, different use of a known word, vocabulary, etc. Please provide the name of the song whose lines you excerpt and the name of the movie if known.

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• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Jul 24 19:00:08 EDT 1998
  
  This is an edited version of some of the postings from an archived thread,"Pudhumaiyaana Varthaigal/prayoagangal"
  
  From: pg (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Fri Sep 5 10:25:43 EDT 1997
  Have you guys/gals noticed use of new/non-standard words in TFM ? Or usage of standard words in a novel
  way ?
  
  Vairamuthu has introduced certain words in TFM.
  
  For example :
  
  Vaanam enakkoru bodhimaram Nobody else has used bodhimaram in any of their songs.
  
  Vaanam en vidhaanam - Vidhaanam - a beautiful word.
  
  From: pg (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Fri Sep 5 11:39:15 EDT 1997
  Vidhaanam is a thamizh word. It means roof.
  
  
  From: Ramki (@ ucc216.lab.cc.wmich.edu) on: Fri Sep 5 11:42:23 EDT 1997
  In the song 'vetri nichayam'(Annamalai)VMuthu
  uses the word 'vritcham'(ovvoru vidhaiyilum
  vritcham ozhindhulladhe)which, i guess,is not
  a tamil word
  
  
  From: pg (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Fri Sep 5 11:52:00 EDT 1997
  Kaadhal Oviyam has some really nice karpanai.
  Raagam meedhu dhaagam kondu aaRum nindRu pogum
  
  Aatrukku dhaagam edukkiratham !
  
  Nice use of muraN.
  
  From: cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on: Fri Sep 5 12:15:57 EDT 1997
  Ramki, you are right. Vritcham is a sanksrit word for "tree". I think there are some common words in tamil
  and sanskrit which are accepted in both languages and also have the same meaning.
  
  
• From: ss (@ 173-105-157.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Jul 24 20:42:28 EDT 1998
  
  In Kaadhal Oviyam VM
  
  "Kaatrin Desham engum enthan Gaanam sendru thangum"
  Nizhalgal
  "Poomrangal Saamarangal Veesatho"
  Sivappu Malli
  "poovai kayil Poovai alli koduththa pinnum"
  Raaja Paarvai
  "Thaavani visirigal veesukiren"
  "Thanneeril Nirkumpothum verkindrathu"
  "Santhanamaai enai poosukiren"
  
  
  
• From: ss (@ 173-105-157.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Jul 24 20:49:07 EDT 1998
  
  In sivappu Malli
  "Nam neruppukku innumaa urakkam"
  Oru Odai Nadhiyagirathu
  "Irandu nathigal inainthu nadakkum puthiya alaigal karayai udaikkum"
  
  
  
• From: ss (@ 173-105-157.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Jul 24 20:55:28 EDT 1998
  
  Kannadasan in Nizhal Nijamakirathu
  "En vaazhkai nathiyil Karai(river banks) ondru kanden
  Un Nenjil etho kaRai ondru kanden
  Puriyathathaaley thirai pottu vaithen
  thirai potta pothum anai podavillai
  Maraithitum thirai thanai vilakki vaippayo
  ViLakki vaippayo"
  Nice use of karai kaRai, vilakku viLakku.(Vani jairam does full justice to this song by clearly pronouncing the words)
  
  
• From: Observer (@ spider-wg034.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jul 25 00:23:54 EDT 1998
  
  VM's neengal kEttavai
  ---------------------
  
  puththam puthuboomi VENDUM
  niththam orurAgam VENDUM
  thanga mazhaipeyya VENDUM
  tamizhil kuyilpAda VENDUM
  
  VM's ARTHAMulla pAdal
  --------------------
  
  kannum kannum koLLAiyadiththAl
  kAthal endru ARTHAM
  kadalai vAnam koLLAIyadiththAl
  mEgam endru ARTHAM
  poovai vandu koLLAiyadiththAl
  puthaiyal endre ARTHAM
  puthaiyal ennai koLLaiyadiththAL
  achchamenbathE ARTHAM ARTHAM
  
  VM's ANATHA kummi (Bangra style)
  --------------------------------
  
  ThannanAne thAnanE ANANTHAmE
  ThannanAne thAnanE ANANTHAmE
  
  pachchai kiLigal thOLOdu
  
  andavinnil ANATHAM indhamannil ANATHAM
  adiboomip pandai sutRivandu ponAl ANANTHAM
  veyinin suththam ANANTHAM mazhayin saththam ANANTHAM
  adamazhayil kooda sayampOnal vAnavil ANANTHAM
  vAzhvil noorANANTHAM vazhvE pErANANTHAM
  ...........
  
  
• From: Observer (@ spider-wg013.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jul 25 00:46:03 EDT 1998
  
  VM's 'In the eyes of a blind'
  ---------------------------
  thanthAnE thanthAnE unnakkanigal thanthAnE
  suvaiyellAm thiththi thEnE
  thanthAnE thanthAnE pattukuyil thanthAnE
  seviyellAm inbath thEnE
  oligaLile...
  
  thanthAnE thanthAnE megakkootam thantnAnE
  idiyudan thAnLan thAnE
  .....
  
  
• From: Laks (@ dialup14.black-hole.com) on: Sat Jul 25 18:39:56 EDT 1998
  
  What about this song.
  
  Kanvannam ange kandaen kai vannam inge kandaen peen vannam noi kondu vaadukiran.
  
  I think kavignar got inspired by kambar's songs in ayothiya kaandam.
  
  Can somebody post the full song.
  
  VM as pudiya mannar
  
  Eduda antha sooriya mealam, adida pudu vaaliba thaalam, Yelundu vittoom imayam poale uyardu nirkum sigaram yellam namakku keela..
  
  
  
  
  
• From: kOdak_moment_pAttu (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Mon Jul 27 01:55:57 EDT 1998
  
  Laks:
  
  here is the VANNAM pAttu by KANNAMdAsan...
  
  pAl VANNAM paruvam kaNdu
  vEl VANNAM vizigaL kaNdu
  maN VANNAM nAn kaNdu vAdugirEn
  
  kaN VANNAM angE kaNdEn
  kai VANNAM ingE kaNdEn
  peN VANNAM nOi kaNdu vAdugirEn
  
  kannam minnum mangai VANNAM
  unthan pinnum vantha pinnum
  aLLi aLLi nenjil vaikka Asai illaiyA
  kAr VANNA koonthal thottu
  thEr VANNA mEni thottu
  poo VANNA pAdam solla eNNam illaiyA
  
  manjaL VANNA veiyil pattu
  komjum VANNA vanji chittu
  
  intha kAlathu VANNAM pAttu nJabagam irukkA ??
  from PorkAlam..who is the lyrikist, VM ???
  
  pachcha COLORU JINGICHA
  sevappu COLORU JINGICHA
  manja COLORU JINGICHA
  rose COLORU JINGICHA
  VANNA VANNA sElainga
  vasathiyAna sElainga
  
  
  
  
• From: pala_oor_pattukkaaran (@ 204.220.169.94) on: Mon Jul 27 06:08:31 EDT 1998
  
  That reminds VM's Thanjavoor mannu eduddhu
  - in a TV show he explained why he chose
  the particular site for particular part of the girl-silai.
  
  That reminds 'Endha oor endravale, Iruntha oorai chollava' for its innovative use of
  the word oor.
  
  
• From: neengalE_sollunga (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Mon Jul 27 07:12:17 EDT 1998
  
  To me, VM's Azagu, Asai pAdalgaL are just LISTING
  not of word play as in "kAi", "VaLai" & "thEn"
  pAdalgaL. I don't find any "puthumaiyAna vArthai
  prayOgams" there.
  
  In the following song Kannadasan plays with
  - sellamA between lovers - nee sollu - illai neeyE
  sollunu - the love between them.
  
  nee SOLLU
  neeyE SOLLU
  nadanthau ennavenDru neeyE SOLLU
  ragasiyam pEsugindRa kaNNAl SOLLU
  
  kUndukkuL paravaigaL kulavuvathu En enDru neeyE SOLLU
  kOthaiyarum kALaiyarum konjvatju En enDru neeyE SOLLU
  kaN mayangum peN Azagu kanivathu En enDru neeyE SOLLU
  kadalinilE nadhigaLelAm kalapathu En enDru neeyE SOLLU
  sinna idai kaiGalilE thigaippathu En enDru neeyE SOLLU
  sErnthirukkum vEaliyilE thavaipathu En enDru neeyE SOLLU
  
  thuNairukkum idai azagu thudippathu sugam endRu neeyE SOLLU
  thudithu varum vELaiyilE nadippathu sugam enDru neeyE SOLLU
  Arambathil azagu mayil anjuvathenDru neeyE SOLLU
  aduthu pazagivittAl kenjuvathu enDru neeyE SOLLU
  
  
• From: sonthakAran (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Mon Jul 27 07:18:06 EDT 1998
  
  Also philosophical questions from Kannadasan
  with some LISTINGs....
  
  kAkkaikuk kuruvikkum kadal SONTHAMA
  kazuthaikku summakinRa pothi SONTHAMA
  nAkkukku Aiyiram mozi SONTHAMA
  nAlu kAlukkoru vAl SONTHAMA
  
  (DF enna IFRku SONTHAMA ???)
  
  
  varukiRa uRavukku manai SONTHAMA
  mayakiRa mugathukku ezil SONTHAMA
  kuvikkiRa paNathukku edam SONTHAMA
  koodum kootathukku madam SONTHAMA
  
  (TFM enna Tamizanukku SONTHAMA ??)
  
  Song: jAvarE jAv intha veetuku nAn Raja
  from: kumari peN
  
  
• From: KAI_nAttu (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Mon Jul 27 10:09:04 EDT 1998
  
  Another work play of KAI by Kannadasan
  see this song is NOT a LISTING but various
  usages of the same word....
  
  akkakoo.. KAI KAI malar KAI
  ammamooo..KAI mEl KAI vai
  ingu iru KAI thazuvum maRu KAI
  intha iru KAI iNainthAl vAzKAI
  
  salangKAI kulunga nadakkum silai azaKAI
  sontham koNdu aNaikkum mannan manik KAI
  unthan ninaivil urugum mangKAI
  uRavil prugum inba gangKAI
  
  idhazil Or punnaGAI athu poonaGAI mullai malliGAI
  idayam Or mALiGAI athan vAdaGAI anbuk kANikkKAI
  iravil Aiyiram vEdikKAI iLam vayathil ithu vAdikKAI
  
  
  ethunai KAIgaL idhil ethuKAI mOnaiyudan!!!
  
  
• From: ts_balaiya_fan (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Mon Jul 27 10:23:13 EDT 1998
  
  For ThiruviLaiyAdal song...
  oru nAL pOthumA song...
  Kannadasan writes about RAGAM names related lyrics
  something like...
  
  isai kEttu ezunTHODI varuvArandrO....
  THODI....
  
  and something something KANADA....
  en pAttu thEnadA..
  
  I don't remeber the lines.
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate2.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Mon Jul 27 12:35:56 EDT 1998
  
  Vaarthaip priyogathil KaNNadhasan palE killadi.
  Bones (aka Sathyakumar aka Kavingar AAvi :):):))
  Thalaiva... thooL kiLLappi vittuirukkeenga.Wonderful selections.
  
  eppavum KaNNadhasan varthai priyogam pattri sollum podhu N-inaivukku varum padal
  "kaNNan ennum mannan peiyarai solla solla.....
  akkam pakkam yaarum parththaal vetkam, vetkam anbE unnai N-eeril kaNdaal N-aaNam, N-aaNam.....
  
  appuram N-inaivukku varum padalgaL
  
  parththEn siriththEn... from Abimanyu
  aththikkaai kaai, aalangkaai vENNilavE...
  vaan N-ila N-ila alla un vaalibam N-ila... from pattina pravEsam.
  endra oor endravanE, irundha ooraich chollava...
  
  then Bones kurippita pala paadalgaL..
  
  sari ivvaLavu sollittu VM-ai sollama irundha eppadi.. "KARA(M)N"-mana pattu...
  
  N-aan AutoKARAN, autoKARAN
  N-alum therinja route-ukKARAN
  Gandhi porandha N-attukKARAN
  kambeduththa vettaikKARAN
  periyavang uravukKARAN
  irakkamuLLa ManasukKARANdaa
  ezhaikkellam sondhakKARANdaa
  
  ennakE enakku sondhamana padal...
  
  enakkE enakaa??
  .......
  hairE hairE hirabba...(Enna vaarthai priyogam :):)...)
  50 KG tajmahal enakkE enakkaa?
  bike-il vandha N-andhavanam enakkE enakkaa?
  packet size-il veNNilavu enakkE enakkaa?
  fax-il vandha peN kavidhai enakkE enakkaa? ....
  
  
  Sari VM rasigargaLE adikkadheenga.. just kidding..
  
  ...continue later....
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ csnt01.cs.wmich.edu) on: Mon Jul 27 14:42:44 EDT 1998
  
  In 'kaathrindha kangal'Kannadasan writes
  
  thulli thirindha penn ondru
  thuyil kondadhen aenindru
  thodarndhu pesum kili ondru
  pesa marandhadhen indru
  
  aasai nenjil irundhaalum
  acham kollum gunameno
  annai thandha seedhanamo
  ennai vellum naadagamo
  
  
  
  Using highly contradictory words he describes Karnans character:
  
  thaikku nee maganillai(for being the unwanted son of Kunthi)
  thambikku annanillai(to battle against his own step brothers)
  oor pazhi aetrayada(to be called as therotti magan)
  naanum un pazhi kondenada
  
  
  

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