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Musical Merits &Demerits of IR and ARR [Only for fans, not fanatics!]

Topic started by V (@ 147.129.99.180) on Thu Jul 17 16:26:37 EDT 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

To bring our healthy/unhealthy discussion on music merits and demeits of IRR and ARR out of the Thangar Bacchaan thread I starting this thread so that it would be more appropriate.

I expect people who post here to be fans and not typical fanatics. Expecially the young ARR fans and the "Theevira" Raja fans

Thanks!

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• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Sun Sep 14 20:38:04 EDT 2003
  
  hmmm..I thought I will learn something about IR or ARR's music here..but instead you folks are talking about tamil and caste system without knowing anything about their glory/in-glory and history. If you guys feel IR is doing a bad thing with Thiruvaasagam, please open a separate topic (and I will participate fully). It is not appropriate for others to talk about these things here as it is not related to the topic.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Sun Sep 14 21:00:50 EDT 2003
  
  K
  sorry, i got disgressed, personally apologize for continuing the argument..
  
  
• From: Musio (@ 210.210.34.158) on: Mon Sep 15 09:39:13 EDT 2003
  
  Ok, let us resume back to the captioned subject.
  
  I recall my earlier posting here before adding the 2nd & 3rd.
  
  IR Vs ARR
  
  1. IR Makes a Great Tune look Simple - Eg. 'Kaadhal Oviyum', 'Nandri sollave unakku...', 'Metti Oli Kattrodu'.
  ARR Makes a Simple Tune look Great - Eg. 'Akkaranu Neegan', 'Oruvan Oruvan Mudalali'.
  
  Excellent Sound Mixing Techniques and usage of Computerized / Digital Sounds, Rhythms, DTS/DTX etc .. which instantly attracts everyone and makes their foot tap at the first go. This is ARR's Merit and he wins over IR. But at the same time Western Oriented Songs will not linger long in your memory. The Rhythm based Music will gradually fade away over the years. This is his Demerit. I think this is where IR wins over ARR.
  
  2. Can U compare Rajni and Kamal, Shivaji and MGR, SPB and Jesudas, Bhim Singh and Shankar...No, it is quite difficult - becos there stylz are different. Rajni may be popular among masses but it does'nt mean Kamal is one step below Rajni. Same is the case of IR And Rahman.A Song Can be branded as IR type or ARR type by just listening to it. Both follow their own styles, which cannot be compared one to one.
  
  3.IR has his strength on composing great tunes, Writing quick notes, managing big Live Orchestration, handling multiple Ragas... But the Demerit lies in IR not updating to the Newer Technolies, Not venturing new areas, Abstaining himself within Southern India.
  ARR has his strength in Mixing Sounds with pre-recorded tracks, bringing out the best out of the singing artists, making a song grand, giving fresher Music, quick adaption to the western styles ... But the Demerit lies in depending on machine more than man, Rythms /Beats/Tempos more than tunes and giving least recognition to the richness filled southern traditional music.
  
  This is just my opinion.
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Mon Sep 15 14:15:19 EDT 2003
  
  MusicIsLife.no problem..caste,language are serious issues and they deserve better treatment than film music.
  Back to the topic..
  Re: "ARR depending on machine more than man" ..I think it is IR who does not depend on any man :) :) :) not ARR !!!
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.217) on: Mon Sep 15 14:54:37 EDT 2003
  
  same crap things abt. ARR by musio.....nobody seems to understnad ARR's music that easily.....
  
  "Western Oriented Songs will not linger long in your memory".....says who???// still i listen to "18till i die by bryan adams and chandralekha by ARR....... it's all in ur mind.......... and also dunt think rajini,MGR,ARR are only for the masses... they have their own class too......
  
  Rajini- look at his pre-superstar-status movies...they were all class personified....
  MGR- for me he is the most natural actor of yester-years.....
  ARR- has a very wide range of knowledge of diff. types of music better than any other TFM md.....
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 12.29.89.6) on: Mon Sep 15 16:29:07 EDT 2003
  
  "most natural actor of yester-years"..... ha ha ha.... semma llolluuuu MADDY.....
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Mon Sep 15 18:58:34 EDT 2003
  
  About MGR.. he had that charm, perfectionism..
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Tue Sep 16 00:12:15 EDT 2003
  
  "ARR- has a very wide range of knowledge of diff. types of music better than any other TFM md....."
  
  b4 somebody knocks u over for saying tat statment u better re-assess & re-phrase it.
  
  
• From: V (@ 147.129.97.242) on: Tue Sep 16 00:55:12 EDT 2003
  
  ambleen
  
  I am quite glad at the absence of the typical slander, name-calling and mud-slinging that accompanies your post to make it obscenely ornate!
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Tue Sep 16 01:26:03 EDT 2003
  
  ambleen, kovichkkatheenga. Etho Maddy-kku therinjatha sollraru
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Tue Sep 16 02:49:20 EDT 2003
  
  "ARR- has a very wide range of knowledge of diff. types of music better than any other TFM md....."
  u mean he has BIG collection of CD's with diff types of music?:-)
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.135) on: Tue Sep 16 02:51:18 EDT 2003
  
  Yea...which he borrowed from his Master, Mentor and Tutor (u know who)...
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Tue Sep 16 02:56:27 EDT 2003
  
  as the tutor had given all his collections to ARR the tutor started composing on his own with his own talent..and ARR still composes with the help of that borrowed collection..
  
  
• From: checkout (@ 130.194.13.104) on: Tue Sep 16 03:12:18 EDT 2003
  
  this thread is really doing great.
  
  cheers for rajasaranam, V and MIL. i have been not going thru threads for few days. to be frank i have learnt a lot. both in terms of music and outside it(caste, vedas everything).
  i am happy to see so much info abt IR. i like ARR and IR. but apart from songs, i donno much abt IR and what he has achieved outside music. good work rajasaranam for highlighting ppl like us who donno that much info abt 80s.
  ambleen, the last posting was really good. instead of calling names which may make the person angry and comeback with more bad rhetorics, this will help them to take ur postings in right sense.
  may be u can spare Maddy (die hard ARR fan)... LOL!!
  i cant post much on the topic coz from the positings which have been previously listed, i understood that i am not that knowledged abt IR. so keep up the good work and help ppl like me to know more.
  
  
• From: x (@ 156.153.254.42) on: Tue Sep 16 03:41:05 EDT 2003
  
  From: Musio (@ 210.210.34.158) on: Mon Sep 15 09:39:13 EDT 2003
  
  >> But the Demerit lies in IR not updating to the Newer Technolies, Not venturing new areas, Abstaining himself within Southern India.
  
  I don't agree to this as he is always upto date with hi-tech in Music world.
  
  Check the DTS BGM's by IR.
  
  to make a note.... IR was the first one to use computer to compose a song well before any one else, even though some one hindi MD like Bappi lahari published in ad and news that he is the first to compose using computers in India.
  
  IR had done it long before him and the song was hit too. Only thing it was used not for publicity like others
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Tue Sep 16 08:32:59 EDT 2003
  
  From X
  I think IR did not have that much publicity campaigns or he was not projected that much.. that is a Demerit..
  
  
• From: Musio (@ 210.210.33.166) on: Tue Sep 16 09:47:14 EDT 2003
  
  
  Maddy,
  "ARR- has a very wide range of knowledge of diff. types of music better than any other TFM md....."
  I think u are interested in inviting arguements. It is a established fact that IR has tried all sorts of music. He has already proved in the last 25 years that he is capable of handling any subject.He too has passed successfully the classical guitar (Higher Local) examination conducted by the Trinity College of Music, London , with honours and gold medal. ARR may be trendsetter with is new style, but he cannot be termed the best.
  Can ARR give a music like 'Nizhalgal', 'Kadalora Kavithaigal', 'Sindhu Bhairavi' or 'Kasi'. Don't ask me whether IR can give 'Boyz'?. IR has the Potential but he is reluctant and least interested.
  X
  IR concentrates more on Tunes, types of instruments and Fusion. But not on Sound Mixing. Just imagine what ARR will do if he gets a song like 'Megam Kottatum', 'Puttukkal Podatha'...?
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Tue Sep 16 10:12:01 EDT 2003
  
  Can ARR give a music like 'Nizhalgal', 'Kadalora Kavithaigal', 'Sindhu Bhairavi' or 'Kasi'
  
  Musio,
  I kind-a disagree to that, probably he(ARR) did not get a chance to work with that kind of subject matter and the Time-periods you are talking about are different. It is the Age of Hip-hop, TV generation, I don't think it is Commercially viable for anybody to bring chart toppers (which might be 1 or 2 songs) that is a high quality localized music (though one or two might sneak in).
  
  Then it will become only a local success. Though somebody might come up with the ex of Lagaan.. If you see Lagaan was released in REGALCINEMAS in NJ,US, but PK, Dhool, Saami, KK (most tamil movies) are released only for a weekend in a Indian Theatre in NJ, which is too far to commute and very bad in everything i must say...
  
  By distributor-ship and no of people going to the movies Hindi movies beat Tamil movies in the US
  
  Now somebody like "Dude" will call me "Thatha", and as stupid as it might seem, that is OK....
  
  Dude:
  "If you want to Reform the world, Reform yourself, there will one fool less to be reformed" - Swami Vivekananda..
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.180.254) on: Tue Sep 16 13:13:09 EDT 2003
  
  LLD,
  going by ur analogy, ARR can access those CDs for another 10-20 years! :-)
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.131.179) on: Tue Sep 16 14:55:49 EDT 2003
  
  ufffffffff,
  
  much hav happend in the last few days. sorry guys i was absent :-) BTW the topic MIL,myself and V were discussing is put to end temporarily. it seems the thread has taken a complete different course, hence iam abstaining frm answering V [though i want to]. lets get on with this wat we r at now.
  
  Maddy, already i ve given u examples and put an end to ur arguement that IR is less knowledged, in another thread y r u telling the same thing again?
  
  and it s very luvable that maddy can come up with jokes often.
  rajini,MGR,ARR are only for the masses...
  he took for granted the post frm Musio and came up with such a statement comparing the superstars and ARR. BTW IR was the superstar for masses and he had class too...
  jus a few days back i happened to listen to the song 'kaadhal kasakuthaiyya' frm the movie AAn paavam[ listened to it after around 15 yrs, so fresh and wat a song fusing folk and disco]. the lyrics in the second pallavi goes like this..
  kittappa antha kaalthilae kaayatha kanagathae...
  P.U.Chinnappa vantha kaaalthilae kaadhal kanirasamae...
  manmada leelai M.K.T. kaalathilae...
  nadaya athu nadaya Nadigar thilagam baniyilae...
  hello hello sugama ada aama neenga nalama engaeyum thaan kaetom annan M.G.R kaalathilae
  intha kaala ilaignar seiyum kaadhalukku ILAYARAAJA enthan paatirukku...
  
  all the persons mentioned in the song were actors except IR.
  
  This shud throw some light on how popular was IR in those periods more than Rajini/Kamal. as far as my knowledge none of the Film music director has achieved so much popularity with the masses and worshipping frm his fan base.
  Maddy i think ur too ung to know all these things. even in ur days listen to the song in avatharam where the lyrics goes
  'athukagathaan isai avatharama naan porenthannu boologum parattumae...'
  can u name one song where any other MD got so much recognition???? u may call this self boasting by IR. well self boasting is justified for superstars, jus listen to the dialogues of rajini' naan oru thadavae sonna' or any other similar dialogues all those r self boasting and it wud be laughed at if that person is not a SS, like people laugh while chimbu attmepts to imitate rajini. but nobody questioned IR so it is well accepted by people that he was a superstar.
  other general songs uve to notice r the songs which contain the name 'raaja' like 'raaja raajathi raajan intha raaja' frm agni natchatram or 'chinnathayaval thantha raasavae' frm thalapathi. IRs mothers name is 'chinnathaayi' and his original name is 'Raasaiyya'. films hav been released in both names.many of the ramarajan, rajkiran movies had titles with raaja added to it.many of movies had the heros naem as raaja in 80's. do u want to say that was a coincidence. every one was well aware how popular our Raaja was.hence songs like 'raajavukku raaja naanthan' - padikathavan, 'raaja kaiya vacha'- apoorva sagodarargal, were always linked to our IR.
  OR look at the scenes in 'vaithegi kaathirunthaal' where people say 'vellaichamy paada arambichuduvaan' or 'chinnathambi paada aarambichutaan ini kolanthai alathu'. was it vellaichamy and chinnathambi people were glorifying???? it was IR IR IR.and this magic has not ended, even now, in the latest release 'kaathal jaadhi' the dialogue before the song 'kaathae kaathae' starts with 'mayilsaamy mic edukka arambichitaan vaangada povom'......
  intha edatha entha kombanalayum ini pudikka mudiyathu.
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.222) on: Tue Sep 16 15:18:34 EDT 2003
  
  "ARR- has a very wide range of knowledge of diff. types of music better than any other TFM md....."
  
  Musio i told that statement bcos i have never seen IR's songs having a qawwali, hindustani, chinese folk,metal sound in it....IR's fusion is also not of ARR's quality.......
  and also i wud like to bring notice a major diff. bet'n ARR and IR in fusion....the situation for a song is the same: englishwoman falling in love with a Indian guy in "Nadodi Thendral" and "Lagaan"... and folks just compare the songs " O rey chori" and "Adikko paadikko" from these movies and judge urself.....
  
  

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