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IR with MR again?!

Topic started by Vijay Venkatram J (@ 202.54.33.170) on Fri Jul 6 05:24:48 EDT 2001.
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Dear Friends,

Yesterday's Maalai Malar Cinema Malar (July 5, 2001) says that MR and IR are joining again as if it is a confirmed news and that the hero will be Surya. The same news was put up in www.tamilcinema.com too. What do you all think about the reality of this news?

Hope this becomes true!

Maestro's Fans Come To:

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/maestroilaiyaraajafansclub

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• From: Guru (@ tcache-tm01.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jul 10 20:41:27 EDT 2001
  
  Good one Bharath, I agree with the fact, group dancing and duet around trees should atleast fade away. Music (background) must be like a shadow for a scene. Obviously,in reality,one cannot hear the echo of a flute or sound of a guitar string, when a guy approaches a girl, but that does not mean that movies cannot show that. At the same time, dancing around trees is absurdity. So, incorporating music into movies is like a balanced diet. Look at the picturization of songs in K. Viswanath movies or even KB's, not many songs involve artificial group dancing, yet they are so beautifully crafted. Take Salankai oli or even taken Azhagan, dance suits the sequence perfectly. Its heart-breaking that even high-profile directors hesitate to make another shankarabharanam or sindhu bhairavi. True, one has to learn more professionalism from hollywood.I would not also agree that movies without songs can not be made successful. At least kamal did it in kurudhipunal and pushpak (no dialogues even!) with a big success. Our directors need more "thinking" if they are to make movies without songs, and its a lot of pressure. No wonder,most of the indian movies appear stereotype with even 6 good songs.
  
  
• From: eden (@ dialpool-210-214-5-217.maa.sify.net) on: Wed Jul 11 05:34:00 EDT 2001
  
  raja-visiri,
  veedu would've won a few awards but was a commercial disaster:-)
  
  Clarification:
  My posting was definitely not in support of 6 song-dance sequences being shoved into `commercial' films. I support a natural blend of songs which definitely enhance the viewing pleasure.
  
  Some have already quoted salangai oli, sindhu bhairavi. I can add easily films like mudhal mariyAdhai, kadalOrakkavidhaigaL, maN vAsanai, payanangaL mudivadhillai, mEghasandhesam etc., which won't have much life without those song sequences. Imagine thillAnA mOganAmbAL without `maRaindhirundhE pArkkum marmamenna' or `nalandhAnA'! Similarly karakAttakkAran without `mAnguyilE'!
  
  The point is songs are part of our every day life and culture (in various forms) and they can definitely find their proper place in movies (under `natural' settings like narration, background, thAlAttu, concert, thiruvizhA etc. and each of those need not be 100% realistic. Why the story itself is mostly unrealistic!)
  
  I definitely do not support this `music audio/video' concept of western fellows which is nothing but another smart way of marketing, thereby making more dollars. All-in-one package is the best value for customers, IMO! If there are some very choosy people, they are most welcome to watch the hollywood stuff or the tasteless stuff dished out by the so called art-films! As for me, I would prefer watching moondrAm piRai to veedu. After all we do not have that much time for entertainment anyway:-)
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Wed Jul 11 07:47:16 EDT 2001
  
  hi
  
  recently i saw a full sng in an english movie. forgot its name. the hero is a machine-like man sent to destroy a group of ppl. in mars. but he turn to be their saviour learning the meaning of love and family.
  
  in one scene, while he runs, there is a song i the background!
  
  songs have their own advantages and disadvantages. with a good director they become an essential ingradient.
  
  why not just accept them as a part of our movie culture?
  
  also, i won't accept that songs in dramas are influenced by roman culture. silappathikaram mentions that there are so many kuththus, where songs play very important roles.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: bharath (@ ac95c52c.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Jul 11 09:22:27 EDT 2001
  
  //"My posting was definitely not in support of 6 song-dance sequences being shoved into `commercial' films. I support a natural blend of songs which definitely enhance the viewing pleasure. "//
  
  then u will have songs 1 in every 100 movies:-)
  
  
  //"I definitely do not support this `music audio/video' concept of western fellows which is nothing but another smart way of marketing, thereby making more dollars"//
  
  and that is a sin i suppose! making more dollars. i dunno what else we all do in our daily lives :-)
  
  as to why a single pakage is better i do not know. modularization has become the way of life nowadays and u r going retro :-)
  
  
  mahabs u can come only upto kuthus for ntivity which is similar to bharthnatyam etc i mentioned. no way can u say a parallel for whatever junk thats being dished out now!
  
  and eden! a movie deviod of songs is no way a parallel to veedu. I suppose u did not see airport. it was a wonderful movie by satyaraj.
  
  to u sindhu bhairavi mudhal mariyadai might have excellent songs but to me "thanni thotti" song was a drishti pottu...where do we draw the line.
  
  we cannot and so we sit bak and watch whatever is offered.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-te041.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Jul 11 12:41:33 EDT 2001
  
  · From: bharath (@ 205.188.199.13) on: Mon Jun 25 10:36:03 EDT 2001
  
  Yaaro,
  
  I am an IR fan.
  
  
  · From: bharath (@ ac88586f.ipt.aol.com) on: Mon Jul 9 09:22:36 EDT 2001
  
  I wud personally say! after MR/BR split IR's album popularity is in a steady decline. You r right from what IR was in the 80's right now I wud call IR just "surviving" not "living" and there is a difference mind u.
  
  ARR recyles MR recycles. Don't u uys listen to all IR's releases. He recyles his interludes also in some junk albums...
  
  Being an ex-IR fan I think I can cling on to his average performances no more. The speed at which tfm is going IR is now in 1st gear.
  bharath,
  these are 2 of your postings in 2 weeks-better make up your mind or be consistent.
  
  
• From: Bharath` (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Wed Jul 11 12:54:51 EDT 2001
  
  //"I am an IR fan. "/
  
  as opposed
  
  //"an ex-IR fan "//
  
  what wud have been contradictory or inconsistent from 1 - 2 is if i'd said "i never liked IR all my life" or " i hated IR ever since i got to know abt him " or " I was never ever ever an IR fan"
  
  what i actually said is somewhat similar to saying"i am ashamed to be an IR fan" etc...
  
  u r indirectly acuusing me of having varying degrees of liking towards IR.
  
  So u have not made a big point in this! nor have u proved I have contradicted myself.
  
  what u did (which was bad) is picked the first statement totally out of its context.
  
  which was (i am reproducing it from memory not C & P
  
  //"
  yaaro,
  I am an IR fan
  
  But If I were a producer, investing my life savings on a movie, I wud choose ARR as my music director
  
  But if I were a director working on someone else's money I wud still choose ARR
  
  If I were visting a music shop after 1 year and I have just 40Rs I wud buy an ARR album
  
  If I were asked to vote for the MD of last century I wud vote for IR
  
  all the above statements wud look contradictory on primafacy, but look closely I have carefully written them, they are not.
  "//
  
  I think in the spirit of the above statements I am still consistent
  so plz next time come up with a better one :-)
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-te041.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Jul 11 13:26:56 EDT 2001
  
  ex-ir fan, if my interpretation is right,you are no more a fan of of IR because, well, you dont like his music anymore.
  i asked whether you were fan of IR for the simple reason your postings were not those of a fan's.take a firm stand and post accordingly-dont write rubbish about Raaja's music even if you were an Ex fan-your postings dont sound like someone who dislikes IR's music-more like someone who hates IR as a person.esp the recent one about raaja listening to ARR's music because he does not like his own music-well i can recognise a thoghtless posting when i see one.
  so please come up with a better one next time :-)
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed Jul 11 13:41:29 EDT 2001
  
  yaaro,
  
  now seriously u have to be kidding
  
  //"well i can recognise a thoghtless posting when i see one. "//
  
  u dont see a joke when u see 1 right! or r u conveniently twisting words.
  
  kupps and I were just joking around in the article abt depression etc..
  
  I dont think it warrants a fan status to involve in jokes. so care not to twist words.
  
  Fan: if my interpretation is right is someone who is more than impressed by an artist is does something which is best descibed as more than active listening. it extends to supporting and defending the artists every move.
  
  I can say I selective like IR's good music and still not his fan because i dont like some of his songs. these r just simple plain english without any subtleity involved. by ex-fan one can only logically interpret that I will not support nor defend IR anymore bcoz i feel I cannot do that anymore.
  
  That no way mean I hate him and his existence.
  
  I am taking a firm stand on whatever I have said on the above. I cannot simply be a person who blindly supports anything and everything the artist does bcoz of the "Fan" tag.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-ta074.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Jul 11 16:54:33 EDT 2001
  
  you may be an exfan-there are a few things which we hold sacred-i think you are attacking those things.others may take it as a joke-i did not find it funny,and i dont lack in sense of humor.
  i may not like all stuff IR produces nowadays-that does not diminish him in our eyes.
  you cant make fun of things you
  used to like in the past just because you think you have out grown them.i can point out so many postings where you sound downright unpleasant about IR and sound superior when talking about ARR-well ,you can take it from me-we DONT find him that exotic.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.232) on: Wed Jul 11 17:19:53 EDT 2001
  
  yaaro,
  
  "there are a few things which we hold sacred"
  
  What are those sacred things?
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Wed Jul 11 17:47:53 EDT 2001
  
  aha! emotions!
  
  well! okay lets assume for arguments sake u r delibrately trying to take a serious view of whatever was written on the other thread. Then can I say that the mistake of belittling others was first commited by an IR fan(which according to u has someother meaning and which doesnt include me !) and hence i have all the lattitude in the world as an alleged ARR fan (whatever!) to retort!
  
  //"i can point out so many postings where you sound downright unpleasant about IR and sound superior when talking about ARR"//
  
  points r relevant to the topics it was discussed under! by doing the above you prove nothing! Its my opinion and I will say it however stressfully i want to! You can only attack the logic in them and cannot expect me to follow any set of artificial rules u have laid out for "fans".
  
  
  //"-well ,you can take it from me-we DONT find him that exotic"//
  
  okay since this has degraded to IR-ARR slugfest (as if its something new!) I retort saying that
  
  you can take it from me! I dont think IR is HOT any more! and dont trumpted on the past!
  
  

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