Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Wed Jul 15 19:13:39 EDT 1998.
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For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but
a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just Thaththuvap Paadalgal
for this thread.
Responses:
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- From: en_thathuvangaL (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Wed Jul 22 04:41:05 EDT 1998
More from my favorite list for Kannadasan thathuvam:
1.
unnai aRinthAl nee unnai aRinthAl
ulagathil pOrAdalAm
uyarnthAlum thAznthAlum
nilai mayangAmal nee vAzazAm
2.
Urukkum vetkamillai - intha
ulagukkum vetkamillai...
athanai pazamum soththaigaL thAnE
Andavan padaipinilE - ithil
aththip pazathai kuRRam kooRa
yArukkum vetkamillai
moodargaLe piRar kuRRathai maRanthu
muthugaip pArungaL - athil
irukku 1000m azukku athanai
kazuvungaL
suttu viralAl ethiriyaik kAtti
kuRRam kooRukai-il
maRRum moondRu viralgal ungaL
mArpinaik kAttuthadA
3.
irukkum idathai vittu illAtha
idam thEdi engengO alaigindrAr
njAnath thangamE - avar
Ethum aRiyAradi njAna thangamE
4.
adi ennadi ulagam ithil eththanai kalagam..
pAsam enbathu silanthi valai
pandham enbathu perun kavalai
sontham enbathu...
athil suRRam enbathu mandaiyadi
kOdu pOttu niRka sonnAl
seethai niRka-villaiyE
seethai angu nindruinthAl
raman kathai illaiyE
kodu vattam enbathellAm
manushan pOtta....
irukkum pOthu irunthu
meeRum pOthu meeradi..
5.
manithan enbavan theivam AgalAm
vAri vAri vazangum pOthu theivam AgalAm
ooruk kendRu vAzntha nenjam kiLaigal AgalAm
uRavukendRu virintha uLLam malargal AgalAm
yArukendRu azutha pOthu thalaivan AgalAm
manam manam athu kOvil AgalAm
MANAM IRUNTHAL PARAVAI KOOTIL MANGAL VAZAZAM
VAZI IRUNTHAL KADUKUK-KULLE MALAIYAIK KANALAM
THUNINTHU VITTAL THALAIL ENTHA SUMAIYUM THANGALAM
6.
mounathil vizaiyAdum mana sAtchiyE
Asail kallAgi achathil mezuhAgi
yAr mugam pArthAlum aiyathil thiLaivAi nee
7.
kuzanthaiyum theivamum kuNathAl ondRu..
NADANTHA-THELLAM NINAIP-PATHUTHAN THUYARAM ENDRU
NJANIGALUM METHAIGALUM SONNAR ANDRU
UCHI VEIYIL SOORIYANAI MEGAM MOODUTHU
NUM ULLAM ENNUM SOORIYANAI KOBAM MOODUTHU
KARRU VANDHAL MARUPADIYUM MEGAM ODUTHU
PESI KALANTHU VITTAL KPBAM MARI NESAM AGUTHU
piLlaigaLai irunthavrthAn periyavar AnAr
antha siriyvar than kPbathinAl siriyavar AnAr
8.
nAn pArthu ondrAga kANalAm
nee pArthu vErAga thOndralAm
therivathu ondRu
purivathu ondRu
mei anbu poi endRu thOndum pOthu..
yAr sirithAl enna, ingu yAr azuthAl enna
9.
UDAITHTHA KALLIL
ONDRU THEIVAM
ONDRU KOVIL
ONDRU VASAL PADI
IRAIVAN PADAIPIL ELLAM ONDRE
IDATHAI PORUTHE ETHUVUM MARUM
sirippu pAthi azugai pAthi sErnthu vandhdhE
manitha jAthi
10.
Raman enbathu kangai nadhi
allA enbathu sindhu nadhi
Esu enbathu ponni nadhi
nadhigaL piRakkumidam palavAgum
ellA nadhiyum kalakkumidam kadlAgum
- From: Raghavan (@ 166.37.105.63)
on: Wed Jul 22 13:22:59 EDT 1998
Hey, it's too early to close this thread. I'll back after listening to the old songs in my collection.
- From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate4.ca.us.ibm.com)
on: Wed Jul 22 16:17:57 EDT 1998
Bones,
Kuzhandhaiyum, Thaivamum kuNathaal ondru... was by Vaali. It was mentioned by Ramki sometime back when Satya Keerthi mentioned it was KaNNadhasan's song..
unnai Arindhaal, N-ee unnai arindhal... paattai "Samudhayap" paadal pOla thondrukiradhu.
Same problem for
Raman enbadhu gangai N-adhi.... too.
What did you all think?
We can't complete this topic quite soon..
What about GyaNa oLi song...
thEvanE ennaip parungaL
en babangaL thannaith thangkik koLLungaL...
............
mandhaiyilirundhu 2 aadugaL veru veru padhaiyil pogindrana. avai iraNdum sandhikkum pOdhu peSa mudiyavillaiyE....
indha pattula Kavingar English ththavum solluvaar... aayiram irundhum, irundhum....
No peace of mind !!!!!
Kaviyarasar, "Junior, Junior..." pattula kuda English thaththuvam solluvar...:):):)
one more thathathuvam in that song..
chithiramadham mazhaiyaith thedi odukirai
maragazhi madhai vaiyilai thedi vadukiraai....
In another "Thaththuvam" song...
kaNNinilE anbirundhal kallilE theivam varum...
As Raghavan mentioned...
paalutee varatha kiLi... from Gowravam is also a Thathuvap Paadal. another song from same film...
KaNNa, N-eeyum N-anuma kaNNa, N-eyum Nanuma??
.....
moonradi maaNkettan vamanan ulagailE
moonrana vaiththadho mannavan thalaiyilE
vaLartha en kaNNaNo thandhaiyin N-enjilE
marum avatharamE inithaan ulagilE...
.....
arivaik KoduthathO throNarin gowravam
avarmEl thoduthatho arjunan gowravam
N-andathandhu andha N-aaL mudithatham Bharadham...
This song is also consider for another category..."9.situation songs."
Can we consider the songs as thathuvam????
kamban Emaandhaan iLam kanniyarai oru malarEndranE karpaniyil veezhthanE...
kamban Emaandhaan......
maanaivi amaivathEllam iraivan koduththa varam
manadhu mayangi enna unnakkum vaazhvu varum....
thangathilE oru kuraiyirundhalum tharathinil kuraivadhuNDo...
Yet another thathuvam from the film Thyagam
TMS sung for Sivaji...
Nallavarkellam satchigaL rENdu ondru manasatchi mattradhu thEivaththin satchiyamma.
......
N-ambikkai vaiththu kallaiyum parththal theivathin satchiyamma, adhu uNmaikku satchiyamma..
Vairamuthuva vittutomE.... VM's song from Thirumadhi oru vEgumathi....
aavathum pENNalE, azhivadhum pENNalE,
manidhan vaazhvadhum peNNalE, avan veezhvadhum pENNalE.......
this song can be treated both Thathuvam and Samuthayam.
....vaLarattum....
- From: Ranga (@ 207.237.8.20)
on: Thu Jul 23 17:56:31 EDT 1998
Kannadaasan Vs Vairamuthunnu title vaichchuttu allarum kannadasanai paththiye koovikkinu irukkeengale.
Keela keethellam eppadi keedhu.
1.maNNin meedhu manidhanukkaasai
manidhan meedhu maNNukkaasai
maNdhan kadaisiyil jeyikkirathu- idhai
mananthaan uNaRa marukkiradhu
nachchunnu illa.
The big difference is kaNNadaasan's thaththuvappaadalgaL ellam sogamaana allathu virakthiyaana oruvan paaduvathu. That is very natural and easy. The one I have shown above has no tinge of melancholy. See the tone. It is more of caution and warning than sogam and virakthi.
Is'nt it great. I am compiling similar ones of VM.
I shall come up with some more soon.
- From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217)
on: Thu Jul 23 18:24:52 EDT 1998
In this song,"kannukkul nooru nilavaa" from "Vedham Pudhidhu"
VM argues logically for and against crossing the boundaries set by man:
him:thendral thotathum mottu vediththaal
kodigal enna kutram sollumaa
her:kollai thulasi ellaik kadalthaan
vedham sonna sattangal vittu vidumaa
him:vaanukku ellai yaar poattathu
vaazhkaiku ellai naam poattathu
rendaa aethu ondrupatta poathu
in "pachaikkiligal thoalodu" from "Indhian"
VM exalts the pleasures of daily living:
pachaikkiligal thoalodu
paattukuyilo madiyodu
booloagam aanandhaththin ellai
indha boomikkuk kanneer sondham illai
. . .
indha vinnil aanandham
indha mannil aanandham
indha mazhaiyinil kooda
saayam poga vaanavil aanandham
. . .
un moochchil naan vazhthaal
indha mudhumai aanandham
. . .
en kaadhuvaraikkum kambalipodum
karunayil aanandham
vaazhvil nooraanandham
vaazhvae paeraanandham
than vizhiyaal pirarkazhuthaal
kanneerum aanandham aanandham
in the following song "tholin maelae" from "Ninaivellam Nithya",
VM characterizes the philosophy of youth:
tholin maelae baaram illae
kaelvi kaetka yaarum illae
. . .
naan paadum patchi
kaaman katchi
kaatrukkoru kashtam undoa
kadalukkendrum nashtam undoa
the following verses by VM in "Columbus" from "Jeans"
descibes the modern day philosophy of living for the weekend:
columbus columbus vittaachchu leevu
kondaadak kandupidichchuk kondaa oru theevu
. . .
sani njaayiru kaadhil sonnadhu ennadhu
machine ellaam manidhargalaagach cholludhu
kollum raanuvam anu aayudham pasi pattini kari politics
pollution aedhum pugundhuvidaadha theevu vaendum tharuvaayaa
. . .
vaaram aindhu naal viyarvaiyil uzhaikka vaaram iru naal iyarkaiyai rasikka
veesum kaatraay maari malargalaik kollaiyadi manasukkul vellaiyadi
meendum pillaiyaavoam alaiyoadu aadi
paravaiyin siragu vaadagaikkuk kidaiththaal udalukkul poruththip parandhuvidu
paravaigal edharkum passport illai kandangalaith thaandi kadandhuvidu
indru oayvudhaanae vaelai aanaal oayndhu poavadhillai
ingu nirvaana meengal poalae neendhalaam
in this old song "engal kathai" from "Paalaivanachcholai", VM captures
the fate of youth:
engal kathai idhu ungalin kathai
saalai engal paadasaalai
velai thaedal engal velai
oh, vaalibamae
tea kadaiyae aalayamae
azhuvathum vizhuvathum
ezhuvathum thozhuvathum
pazhaiyavar parambaraigal
iruppathai eduppathum
pirippathum koduppathum
pudhuyuga varaimuraigal
I thought up some more Kannadhaasan tunes too. Raghavan, the "Thai sollai
Thattathae" song, is it,"Poayum poayum manidhanukkiraivan puththiyaik
koduththaanae"?
Another one from an MGR movie:
avalukkenaa thoongivittaL
agappattavan naanallavaa
aiyirandu maathathilae
kaigalilae poattuvittan
. . .
naigalukku nandri vaiththaan
yaanaiyidam ninaivu vaiththaan
maangalukkum maanam vaiththaan
manidhanukku enna vaiththaan
. . .
vaanil ulla dhevargalai
vaazha vaikka visham kudiththaan
naattil ulla vishaththaiyellam
naan kudikka vittuvittaan
- From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Thu Jul 23 18:29:23 EDT 1998
Guys, we have an amazing list for both poets in this section so far. I would suggest let's do temporary summations and move on to the next topic. As per Raghavan's good suggestion, I have compiled all the ones mentioned so far. If I have left some out it is because I have saved them for more appropriate future topics. You guys can continue to add ofcourse but we have more than a good sampling to conclude here.
Kannadhaasan's Thaththuvap Paadalgal listed so far:
1)ponaal pogattum
2)engE N-immathi, engE N-immathi
3)satti sutadhada kai vittadhada
4)aaRu manamE aaRu andha aaNdavan kattaLai aaRu..
5)vEduvarai uravu, veethi varai manaivi,
6)iraNdu manam vENdum iraivanidam kettEn
7)uLLam enbadhu aamai adhil unMai enbadhu oomai..
8)en priandhAi maganE? En pirandhAyo?
9)manithan enbavan thaivamagalaam
10)mayakkama kalakkama manadhilE kuzhappama
11)theivam thandha veedu veethi irukku
12)paramasivan kazhuthilirundhu paambu kettadhu
13)N-ilavaip parththu vaanam sonnadhu ennaith thodathE
14)manam oru kurangu manitha manam oru kurangu...
15)kasEthan kadavuLada, andha kadavuLukkum idhu theriyumada
16)Ezhu surangaLukkuL ethanaip paadal
17)padaithanE manithanai ANdavan padaithaanE
18)Yaadhum oorE yavarum kELir
19)sodhanai mEl, sodhanai podhumada sami
20)vAzha ninaiththAl vAzhalAm
21)vAzhndhu pArkka vENdum
22)budhi uLLa manidhan ellAm
23)dheivam enRAl adhu dheivam-adhu (Kanchana or someone else please give the start of this song)
24)paalootti valartha kili
25)amaidhiyAna nadhiyinilE Odum
26)ARu manamE ARu andha ANdavan kattaLai ARu
27)Annan ennada thambi ennada avasaramaana ullagathile
28)Ore oru orile ore oru Raja
29)oruvan manathu onbathadA
30)ikkaraikku akkarai pachai
31)kadavul oru naal ulagaik kaana
32)Kamban emandhaan
33)varavu ettanA selavu pathanA
34)poyum poyum manithanuk kiraivan
35)unnai arindhaal nee unnai (samuthaaya...category paadal)
36)oorukkum vetkamillai (this may be by vaali)
37)irukkum idaththai vittu
38)adi ennadi ulagam
39)mounaththil vilayaadum manasatchiyae
40)yaar siriththaal enna ini yaar
41)sirippu paathi azhugai paathi
43)Junior junior, iru manam konda
44)neeyum naanumaa kannaa
45)manaivi amaivathellam
46)thangathilae oru kurai
47)nallavarkellam saatchigal rendu
48)avalukkenaa thoongivittaaL agappattavan
49)nenjirukkum engalukku naalayendra naalirukkum
50)yaarai nambi naan porandhaen
51)dhaevanae ennaip paarungal
52)kannilae anbirundhaal kallilae
Vairamuthu's Thaththuvap paadalgal listed so far:
1)kanavu kANum vAzhkkai yAvum
2)Vandhenda Paalkaaran pasumaattappaththi
3)Solladi Bhaaratha Maatha
4)July maadham vandhaa jodi
5)Sambo sambo...bakthi paadal
6)paarkathae paarkaathae
7)enna dhesamo idhu enna dhesamo
8)siragillai naam kili illai
9)nee aandavana?
10)janaganamana ena
11)kurangilirundhu piRandhAnA
12)vAnaththai moodap pOrvai illai
13)karuvil irukkaiyil kaN moodik kidandhOm
14)indRenbadhu uNmaiyE nambikkai ondRE nanmaiyE
15)oorvasi oorvasi take it easy oorvasi
16)ra.. ra... ramaiya...
17)ooraith therinjukitten ulagam purinjukittEn kaNmani
18)pasu vinai pambEndru satchi sollavaa mudiyum
19)samsaaram adhu minsaaram
20)athaanda idhaanda
21)aandavanae parkkanum
22)parthu sirikkidhu bommai
23)aavathum pennaalae
24)kannukkul nooru nilavaa
25)pachchai kiligal thoalodu
26)tholin maelae baaram illae
27)columbus columbus
28)engal kadhai idhu ungalin kadhai
- From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Thu Jul 23 18:29:23 EDT 1998
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