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LAGAAN LOOSES OSCAR FALLS IN "NO MAN'S LAND"FROM BOSNIA.

Topic started by SHYAMSUNDAR.U. (@ 61.11.79.75) on Mon Mar 25 01:59:38 EST 2002.
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VERY IRONIC in a picture on cricket(LAGAAN) the oscar award has landed in "no man's land" from BOSNIA.SADLY,SHYAM SUNDAR.U.

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• From: (^!^) (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Mon Mar 25 14:26:46 EST 2002
  
  Bharath: You are on a roll!! nadaththunga :-)
  
  
• From: OsCartoon (@ 192.44.136.103) on: Mon Mar 25 16:01:16 EST 2002
  
  The clip that was shown was a joke. Felt like puking. Jokers...
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Mon Mar 25 16:09:40 EST 2002
  
  ""Lagaan story was improbable. we cant even beat engalnd in 2002 let alone beat them in 1887.. its nonsense. leave it to the movies to hide our inferiority...""
  
  Bharath, This statement is what unnecessary at this point. Try to take it easy. There are millions out there who enjoyed this movie. This movie is going to be released in USA in may ( by Sony ).
  
  Indian team is inferior now but India was once world champions, and champion of champions ( Benson and Hedges ). May be its a fluke. But it made it. why cant you take lagaan too as the same before declaring this as nonsense.
  
  
• From: ADREAMER (@ 63.208.65.80) on: Mon Mar 25 18:39:05 EST 2002
  
  Robin: you r right. there is more prejudice in India than at the Oscars. first of all, we ourselves don't really recognize one another within India, how do you excpect outsiders to understand us? This black and white thing is like brahmin and cheris type of talk. it goes on everywhere. to have fair skin is a way to feel superior over the darker folks. whereas the darker folks feel it is a disadvantage being dark and give the advantage to the fair skin. in America, the dark skinned guys put up a fight and don't yeild, but it has taken them a long time though much faster than the dark skinned people cheris in India. (honestly, i don't know what a cheri means, but i've heard it spoken by the significant opposites a lot of times!)
  
  As regards Lagaan, i think non-violence is a tame idea for the insecure and aggression oriented whites. being non-violent is choosing the easier and safer path. Most of the great movies are winners if they have war as a theme. ('Gandhi' is a story of an ideology, something the westerners cannot believe why it should work when works of bravery, daredevilims, strategy, heroism is all lost in that process!) War is a way for the west to test technology, ideals,innovations and in reduce their own population (ww1 and 2), ethnic cleanse (bosnia, vietnam, which was in the pretext of communism). As far as I know, what they have done is test nuclear weapons on land, sea, air over a hundred times, blast bombs everywhere and now the result no Oscar ceremony can make up, Global warming. The disastrous outcomes of which is only a few years away.
  
  So, Oscar or no, first Indians have to restore credibility within home, develop style and class, then think of competing on a level scale with the west. I think Lagaan is a great proof of our incredible talent, but as far as style, elan, class, presentation and 'portability' we have some more war-like hard work to do (i don't mean war) and we need directors, producers with great life experiences to reach out.
  
  
• From: S (@ 131.243.115.238) on: Mon Mar 25 19:30:48 EST 2002
  
  True, Lagaan was a good Movie but it doesnt deserve an Oscar. This is the problem with Bollywood. They hardly see a good movie. If they see a good movie they want it to win an oscar.
  
  No where on this planet will a movie win an oscar for playing a game for 31/2 hrs.
  
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 66.137.224.62) on: Mon Mar 25 21:37:47 EST 2002
  
  look at the way ADREAMER stereotypes people..
  
  1)he thinks all brahmins are fair skinned
  2)he calls all non-brahmins cheris (and he says he doesnt know what it means, oh! boy what innocence)
  3) he also says all cheris are dark skinned.
  4)he says most great movies have war as the theme (but suddenly he remembers gandhi and invents a reason why it was an exception)
  5) it seems war is the way of west to test technology, reduce population. ( so he says india isnt at war because we dont have technology and we have a huge population)
  
  so having justified all our inadequacies what does this person do..
  
  he makes great speeches about some half baked things. connects global warming to bomb tests.. and as if that babble wasnt enough.. he encourages "us" by saying we have "war-like" hardwork to do.. which is where i burst into laughter..
  
  because at first he mocks at the west saying they think that //"being non-violent is choosing the easier and safer path"//
  
  and then he says//"we have some more war-like hard work to do "//
  
  contradicting himself in full in just a single post.. ofcourse he will say, he said //"i don't mean war"// in brackets.. but thats because he doesnt understand what I am laughing at...
  
  these are the very same people who make Hum aapke hain kaun a hit...
  
  
• From: AV (@ 12.234.170.75) on: Mon Mar 25 22:11:13 EST 2002
  
  It is sad that we lost in the oscars. Not to loose heart, check this out....
  
  http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/020325/ideas/25bollywood.htm
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Mar 25 22:20:09 EST 2002
  
  Thanks for that Bharath. I am glad somebody has the courage to counter ADREAMER's post - one which is filled with bigotry, incoherence and metaphors of violence and war...(I guess, given the convoluted logic of the post, BORDER or REFUGEE would have returned home with an Oscar??)
  
  In these times when the very fabric of secularism and unity is being ripped apart by politically fuelled communal agents and their accessories, I find it absolutely horrific that someone would suggest "war-like hard work." Even as a mere literary phrase (or analogy) it stinks! And all just because some Indian film didn't bring home the trophy...
  
  Talk about misplaced (and miscreant) priorities!!
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161) on: Mon Mar 25 22:56:15 EST 2002
  
  >>>>As regards Lagaan, i think non-violence is a tame idea for the insecure and aggression oriented whites. being non-violent is choosing the easier and safer path. Most of the great movies are winners if they have war as a theme. ('Gandhi' is a story of an ideology, something the westerners cannot believe why it should work when works of bravery, daredevilims, strategy, heroism is all lost in that process!) War is a way for the west to test technology, ideals,innovations and in reduce their own population (ww1 and 2), ethnic cleanse (bosnia, vietnam, which was in the pretext of communism). As far as I know, what they have done is test nuclear weapons on land, sea, air over a hundred times, blast bombs everywhere and now the result no Oscar ceremony can make up, Global warming. The disastrous outcomes of which is only a few years away.
  
  So, Oscar or no, first Indians have to restore credibility within home, develop style and class, then think of competing on a level scale with the west. I think Lagaan is a great proof of our incredible talent, but as far as style, elan, class, presentation and 'portability' we have some more war-like hard work to do (i don't mean war) and we need directors, producers with great life experiences to reach out.<<<<
  
  Good points...ADREAMER !!!
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Mar 25 23:01:42 EST 2002
  
  AV - I checked out the link posted by you. It mad interesting reading. However, I am preplexed by the commerical naivete of the piece.
  Hollywood (or for that matter the pop-culture machinery in North America in general) is always in search of ideas which it can borrow, burnish and bring to the audiences as though it were its "own." Of course, Hollywood has its own history with "musicals." But given how "globalism" is just another name for appropriation and exploitation for "commercial" purposes, India too is part of this endless "open season." In recent times (say last 5-6 years) "India" (in North America particularly) has been part of women's capri pants and jeans with paisley and zari borders; Henna (Mehndi) has become a cottage-industry (as though the plant itself were native to America), Alanis Morrisette has dedicated a whole song (and album) "thanking India," Madonna is into some high-powered Ashtanga Yoga (and has a song to groove to in her album Ray of Light), Shania Twain has gone all sari and bindi in a music video for her album "Come on Over"....and now Moulin Rouge does a "chamma chamma" in fictional Paris.
  But let's see this for what it is: Flavor of the month or year as determined by commercial interests in the U.S of A. These fetishes are replaced, recycled or put to rest as the "market" demands (or doesn't). India may be in today, but once the tills stop jangling, the appropriation machine will move elsewhere - to Armenia or Thailand or Chile...
  
  Culture is a Commodity. Multinationals are earthly Gods. Money is the sun moon and the stars.
  Only fools see Appreciation where there is nothing else but Commerce.
  
  
• From: Saran (@ 164.164.46.20) on: Mon Mar 25 23:02:02 EST 2002
  
  Here i remember one thing quoted by thangar pachaan in his recent interview that goes like this...
  " Innum naam padamae edukka aarambikkavillayae. Inga padam enbathu kaasu paarkum vaelai, oru padam edutthaal athu 4 mozhikalil dub seyya mudiyumaa enru thaan paarkirom. Duet paatu vandhaal velinaatil sendru padamaakukirom........"
  
  NALLA padam ( not a hit movie, i mean ) edutthaal naamum oru naal kandippaaka oscar vellalaam!!!
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Mar 25 23:02:53 EST 2002
  
  first line should read "made interesting reading" typo - mannikkavum! (and if there are other "drops" please add the missing vowel or consonant or even meaning! :-))
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161) on: Mon Mar 25 23:08:18 EST 2002
  
  >>>Talk about misplaced (and miscreant) priorities!! <<
  
  Naaz, I think you are missing the point in ADREAMER's post as Bharath too did. You view films just as entertainment but forget that they stem out from the socio-cultural psyche of the region from which they are made. And the west is definitely dominated by what is known as the 'Gun culture'. Correct me if I am wrong, isn't 90% or more of Hollywood's hits are from hign-intensity action/war movies ?
  Lagaan is a very unusual movie as it employs a game of cricket to potray the conflict not war...as in Braveheart...but now only if countries would employ such methods to solve problems between them...sigh...if I go on and on I risk being branded a pacifist !
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161) on: Mon Mar 25 23:11:54 EST 2002
  
  Saran....
  
  Nalla padam in India and in Hollywood have entirely different meanings...do you think a film like Azhagi minus the songs would have made it to the Oscars ?
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161) on: Mon Mar 25 23:13:16 EST 2002
  
  Further, I felt that Mudhalvan/Nayak deserved an Oscar..but then who cares ?
  
  

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