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PITHAMAGAN RELEASED

Topic started by SIVA (@ 203.195.184.205) on Thu Oct 2 05:03:36 EDT 2003.
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THE MOST AWAITED MAESTRO'S PITHMAGAN RELASED NY FIVE STAR AUDIOS Y'DAY.

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• From: Kupps (@ 199.180.6.44) on: Thu Dec 4 16:10:35 EST 2003
  
  mmm...in that case bala could very well have avoided the scenes showing birth of siththan and his caretaker(i.e. those in black&white). this gives us the freedom to accept/assume such an animalistic characteristic person. but, anyway, that is not much a botheration. the love-development is what my main concern.
  
  veedu maadhiri aeduththaathaan padam-gradhu thangaLa maedhaavinnu ninaichirukkura paamarargaL pondRa arm-chair critic solluradhu. i donno why such people conveniently forget about "thaNNeer thaNNeer".
  
  Moreover, the fact that mahendran is the dialogue writer for the movie like thangapadhakkam tells us that even dramatised form of film is also good film. IMHO, film is somewhere in between the drama and a complete audio-visual show. So some films might have characteristics more from this or from that.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 199.180.6.44) on: Thu Dec 4 16:14:50 EST 2003
  
  yes i know that udhiri(p)pookkaL is by mahendran and avaL appadiththaan is by rudriah and i meant that only there.
  
  btw i typed my above response to rajasaranam long back but pressed the post button only a moment back so my response would not have taken into account the later two responses from him. but still i stand by that statement :-)
  
  
• From: mnt (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Thu Dec 4 17:13:15 EST 2003
  
  Kupps,
  
  Lot's of KB bashers don't give KB the the credit fro 'thanneer thanneer' because it was a Komal Swaminthan script. It was a succesful stage play before KB took it to celuloid.
  
  But those same people forget what happened when Komal tried to take another one of his plays 'ini oru suthanthiram' to celuloid.
  
  I believe KB desreves a lot of credit for the way T. T. turned out.
  
  
• From: Senty (@ 167.213.190.180) on: Thu Dec 4 17:29:16 EST 2003
  
  rajasaranam,
  nice write up....
  
  will,
  I think it is pretty natural for some one to self-escalate when they have done a good job.why do we always expect people to be very humble and say that "ellam kadavul seyal".why do we always have to envy talented people.This is a complete bala movie to every frame and why shouldn't he take credit for that,cmon man have u seen laila ACTING in any movie??, all the credit goes to bala,and he has the right to self-escalate himself.We didn't like it when kamal did it or when illayaraaja did it.but u cannot deny the fact that, it was the stuff that they had that made them do that.u cannot deny that they are talented.
  
  regarding ur comments on interview and stuff what has that got to do with the movie.u can say in one line that u didn't like the movie because u didn't like bala.when u read a review in hindu or vikatan do u ever read lines like i didn't like the way the director gave the interview, or i didn't like the way the director has combed his hair.when ur talkin abt a movie.just talk abt the movie not ur personal opinions on people involved in creating it.
  
  violence is there in the movie,but i guess it is there in all movies, even agni natchathiram and thalabathi had so much violence and iam not tlakin abt shankar.this charecter is an unconventinal charecter, u cannot set a fighting sequence like step by step thing.block the right hand with the right hand,left hand with left hand,kick the stomach etc.At the same time u should also convey the audience that he is fearless and remorseless.what would u do?.
  
  "and women being beated thrice in the movie"... hmmm how long have u been watching tamil
  movies..?Is this ur first movie?.Havn't u ever seen a man hitting a woman in real life .This
  is a clear indication that u r just biased on the director and ur trying to knit pick things.
  
  Talking about vulgarity.ok the dialouges on surya selling the medicine are little.But atleast it is not visual .But what abt the great director shankar, all the dikielona scenes in gentleman,"kadhalan" doctor going with the vaseline to test nagma's virginity.indian
  britishers trying to rape half naked indian women .'BOYS' the whole movie.These scenes are
  pure vulgarity...
  
  As far as the question of surya and laila love , i think rajasaranam answered you.If you see all the mani movies, the same way you are seeing pithamagan, you will not see holes but big
  craters in his movies.
  
  Don't expect everybody to take colorful movies with newspaper headlines as stories.Let's appreciate and welcome new and honest movie making.
  
  
• From: Senty (@ 167.213.190.180) on: Thu Dec 4 17:35:14 EST 2003
  
  will,
  "film has absolutely no story line at all!"
  "not to mention about the screenplay..."
  A film without any story line, but it is made for 2 and half hours and lot of people are liking it.maybe,maybe there is some good screenplay in it then...
  
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 24.184.29.127) on: Thu Dec 4 20:43:45 EST 2003
  
  Senty,
  
  Somehow people expect everybody to behave humble after attaining great heights(only in India or probably only in Asia). If somebody is like that it is good only, but one cannot for sure expect it from everybody.
  
  I have seen most of ARR fans, they will defend their hero because ARR is humble and down to earth. That is the same thing which acts against IR!
  
  It is people's expectation. No one can help it.
  
  
• From: Will (@ 61.1.203.134) on: Thu Dec 4 21:43:04 EST 2003
  
  Well, well. I never expected so many responses in 20 hours!
  
  Let me try and answer the questions in series.
  
  
• From: Will (@ 61.1.203.134) on: Thu Dec 4 21:49:05 EST 2003
  
  Rajasaranam wrote:
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  *"Don't worry about perfectionism. You will never achieve it"....
  + nice point but it applies to all Directors like MR,KB, Sridhar, Shankar.
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  Well, did I say that the other directors were perfect? Did I? Read my review again if you feel I did.
  
  If you have seen one of ManiRathnam's interviews, you would have seen that he doesn't believe in perfectionism either. Not sure about Sridhar, but, KB is also like that (even though he is a bit too egoistic - but, most men of his accomplishments are, aren't they?)
  
  But, what I was commenting referred to all people in the sets of Pithamagan commented in that promotional of SunTV that Bala "re-enacted the scene time and again until he got it perfectly".
  
  
• From: Will (@ 61.1.203.134) on: Thu Dec 4 21:51:41 EST 2003
  
  Rajasaranam wrote:
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  well i dont know any of the films directed by KB but i do know a good no,. of stage dramas captured in celluloid.
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  So, you should have refrained from talking anything about K.Balachander from then on!
  
  
• From: Will (@ 61.1.203.134) on: Thu Dec 4 21:58:23 EST 2003
  
  Rajasaranam wrote:
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  MR is void if there r no newspapers/ media news. he is a teh best in twisitng history as he pleases and gets thro with a clean chit. hmmm
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  Why don't you substantiate this statement of yours with real examples?
  
  Before that, can I ask you something? Did he get media attention even before he became famous? Did he make media hype when he did his first film?
  
  It is the media that nudged ManiRathnam to release facts and hypes about his movies, for "their" sales!
  
  Tell me, what all media hype you got about "Ayudha Ezhuthu" and how many are from the director himself? Please answer, with proof. Or, if you argue that you got to wait and see for that, tell me, what all media hype you got for "Kannathil Muthamittaal"?
  
  Also, tell me, were films like "Agni Natchatram", "Nayagan", "Roja" etc. stand out as good films (or ran well in theatres) just because of the _short_ media hype that was generated before the release of the movie?
  
  
• From: Will (@ 61.1.203.134) on: Thu Dec 4 22:02:02 EST 2003
  
  Rajasaranam wrote:
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  Sridhar once again a driector of dramatic subjects...
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  Is it? So, tell me what does "dramatic" mean? Is the root of that word, "drama"? So, what is "cinema"? Drama captured on the film or what else? Please clarify this for me...
  
  
• From: Will (@ 61.1.203.134) on: Thu Dec 4 22:05:32 EST 2003
  
  Rajasaranam wrote:
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  Shankar ? wat nonsense r u talking abt ?
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  The same nonsense that you were talking about Bala being far ahead of "crap" directors like MR, KB, Sridhar, and Shankar.
  
  Anyway, I'll get back to this later.
  
  
• From: Will (@ 61.1.203.134) on: Thu Dec 4 22:14:59 EST 2003
  
  Rajasaranam wrote:
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  *first thing you note is the vulgarity depicted in the film....
  + where come u started inventing things? may be ur mentioning violence!
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  First, let me tell you: "Violence" and "Vulgarity" are different, though not entirely.
  
  An basic example of violence is a fight scene that you see in every non-Vikraman film. Violence upto a moderate level (upto those found in Hollywood films) are acceptable. This word, "acceptable" is the key.
  
  If violence or any other form that is depicted on the scene is above this "acceptable" or "tolerable (to watch)" value, then it is called vulgar.
  
  Some better ways of making "vulgar" things tolerable are by camouflaging them or giving them in a delicate manner. Like the old-films' (and, i mean really old) double-meaning dialogues (not Kavundamani's ones), showing something instead of another with closer relation (if you see pathinaru vayathinilae - last scene, you can find this), etc.
  
  But, I am afraid all ManiRathnam's depiction of violence is below the specified "acceptable" level.
  
  Some examples of Vulgarity are some scenes in Boys. Pithamagan is definitely above the level of what you call "palatable", atleast for me, or atleast for normal human beings, for I don't know about you.
  
  
• From: Will (@ 61.1.203.134) on: Thu Dec 4 22:18:35 EST 2003
  
  Rajasaranam wrote:
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  wat to do- the violence was introduced to tamil films by MR, Kamal and shankar and Bala had gone a bit far in taht area thats all.
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  So, you agree that Bala follows MR, Kamal and Shankar, is it?
  
  Or rather, Bala "copies" them all but overdoes them in an amateurish way?
  
  The answer to these questions (of yours) can also be found by reading my above reply.
  
  

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