Topic started by S.Krishnan (@ 202.54.43.122) on Tue Apr 7 07:18:58 EDT 1998.
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I would like to get the list of Tamil Films for which Salil Chowdhury has scored the music.His most
memorable films in other language films are also welcome.
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- From: Srinath (@ m52.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Thu Jun 3 23:55:22 EDT 1999
*Digression*
Hi MS :-) I don't really know how Madras veyil is :-) as I've not stepped out of the house yet :-) Innikki India Vs Australia match vera irukku :) Hayya ! Jolly ! :-)))
*End Digression*
- From: yvs mani (@ hub.nic.in)
on: Fri Jun 4 00:38:11 EDT 1999
RB,
Shankar Mahadevan has done a wonderful job in the album " Breathless".
- From: Raja Fan (@ spider-wi032.proxy.aol.com)
on: Fri Jun 4 00:52:37 EDT 1999
Salil Fan and MS, I am pleased to hear your point of view. But listen to a wider selection of Salil and you will be amazed at the precision in the interludes plus that dramatic harmonic melody even in the interludes. I think it terms of style and quality of output Salil and IR are one and the same, while Salil definitely seems to have that edge in terms of the sweetnesss in the melodies and timelessness factor of each of his memorable songs. He is perhaps the first and the only consistent user of harmonic melody. I am not saying Raja has not done it. Raja has achieved much more in style, but still the melodies of Salil are really miles apart. Kokila (kannada), Dhoorathu Idi Muzhakkam (Ullam Ellam Thalladuthey song in Tamil) Anand in (Hindi) are examples of excellent melodies and interludes that no Hindi compose could ever produce. My question is: why did not IR want to replicate that melody (even though Salil invented or say discovered that signal melody first). Why not? What would be wrong? It is just one more feather in Raja's cap.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112)
on: Fri Jun 4 01:13:43 EDT 1999
My question is: why did not IR want to replicate that melody (even though Salil invented or say discovered that signal melody first). Why not? What would be wrong? It is just one more feather in Raja's cap.
Can you put in more elaborate terms ? I am unable to understand you. What do you mean by :
(1) replicating a melody
(2) signal melody (if what I understand is right)
- From: Srinath (@ m50.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Fri Jun 4 01:25:26 EDT 1999
Raja Fan:
Thanks for your info on Salilda. But I do not wish to indulge in any further comparisions between IR and anyone else. Please continue discussing Salil.
- From: Raja Fan (@ spider-wi033.proxy.aol.com)
on: Fri Jun 4 02:11:28 EDT 1999
MS, I am not saying replicate as in duplicate. I know of one music director in Malayalam who made a very successful attempt at trying out the distinct (signal or singular) Salil 'melody'. He succeeded totally in the interludes and the pallavi. Even though the charanam was great but it did not sound Salilish. I am not saying IR should attempt to go where Salil has already gone before. But, it will be interesting tribute to another Maestro of a previous era. (When we have a 101 composers from Viju Shah to Deva imitating IR, there is no one able to imitate Salil. That is what I felt.)
Srinath, I am not comparing at all. It is just a kind of a wish from a devoted IR fan. Well, let us rest this topic.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112)
on: Fri Jun 4 02:39:48 EDT 1999
Raja fan:
I know of some Malayalam music directors too. It will be helpful if you can name the one you are trying to refer to.
Coming to comparing the "melody" genres: Have you heard about Baburaj (Courtesy: GV) ? He is one held in high esteem by KJY for the sheer complexity of his melodies. If you opine that " Aajaa re naa" by Lata - Salil is a composition just unthinkable for any other MD, I beg to differ. You may better hear "Thaamasamenthey varuvaan" of KJY - Baburaj. This one song will tell you of what calibre baburaj was.
Coming to another point that you have raised namely producing a melody on Salil's lines: I strongly believe that IR would be written off as a "copier" of Salil if he does it. I agree IR has done it earlier (Aanandha thenkaatru, naan siriththaal, paarijaatha poove are few examples). But I am afraid a listener would tend to dismiss it as a copy rather than understanding it as a tribute and hailing IR.
- From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com)
on: Fri Jun 4 03:25:02 EDT 1999
Ah! Raja Fan: There you give me the opportunity to discuss something I have always wanted to but desisted because this is TFM-DF. Raja's Salail-type melodies. Ever heard the early Kannada songs of Raja- Maatu thappadha maga, Pallavi Anu Pallavi etc. I heard them courtesy shibu, and curiously, felt that they were so salilish(for want of a better term) in terms of sheer melody. Try
Hrudaya Rangoli:PAP
Maryada harushada: MTM
These have a distinct Salil touch and are nonetheless no imitations. I guess you are getting carried away.
1. I dont think Viju shah imitates Raja. If anything, his synthetic arrangements are comparable to ARR.
2. Jatin-lalit have shown Rajaish touch in a couplke of songs and thats it. Anand-Milind ofcourse lift lock, stock and barrel
Finally, even conceding 101 composers imitate Raja-only for arguments' sake, mind- doesnt that prove only that his style has takers everywhere?And that if someone's style is not even being imitated , could I interpret it as apathy to his style? No, I wont get carried away like you and make a statement like that. I respect Salilda too. But I find your 'inimitability' factor amusing!!!
Anyway, your premise that Salilda has not been imitated, recreated is wrong. Raja has given salilish but still original refreshing melodies too. Thank you.
Sri: hey!our timings match now!!! But madras poyum tfm-df-laiye kudi iruntha eppadi???
- From: Rags (@ stingray.cincom.com)
on: Fri Jun 4 05:35:10 EDT 1999
My 2 cents on this wonderful discussion. Clearly Salil belonged to a genre where the dependence was on tune, rather than on music.
IR had once mentioned that if the tune he composed was "good", he'd rather not "stuff" it with music. And thus came some of his classics with just a tabla and a violin / flute. I guess that qualifies for "salilish" compositions ?
IMO, HFM did not deserve Salil da. We are fortunate enough to have had him in MFM (his wife or Mannadey's wife was from Kerala ?)
- From: Raja Fan (@ spider-tn031.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sun Jun 6 17:24:35 EDT 1999
MS/Raj, thanks a lot for the enlightening points. You have both been very delicated and sophisticated in telling me that Salil and IR are incomparable. They each have distinct approaches to music and so it is wrong for IR to adopt an earlier approach first brought by Salil. This would definitely label IR as a copycat and would not have given him an identity of his own. Also, how many such Salilish melodys can even another music director produce. I think Salil has composed all that is posible of that really unique melody. anyway, the variety that has come from IR is still mind boggling. Rajas attitude to music is 'I do not restrict myself and compose anything that comes to my mind.' really is a very broad minded attitude and very flexible approach to composing. No wonder IR has been able to unleash unique compositions at a prolific and of superb quality at all times.
MS the songs you have pointed out are not Salilish in my opinion. What Raj has mentioned are more closer to truth. About Baburaj he is a Bengali raised in Kerala, His melodies are too good and really so malayalee.
Someone stated that the best of Salil are better than the best of IR has great truth in it because of the sheer power of the melody in Salil's songs and interludes. But recntly i was at Balaji's site in the melody section of 1976 to 1980. two songs are in my opinion are as good as Salil's best or maybe a shade more melodious. songs are: KAALAI PANIYIL ( FILM - gayathri) is a proof of what IR said that if his melody is very good the interludes will be less
ADI PENNEY (FILM - mullum malarum) and maybe,
IRU PARAIVAGAL (film - niram maradha pookkal)Easily three of the best classic melodies.
MS I don't know the name of the music director but the song if i remember right is mazhai thulli thulli nrithyam aadi varum etc... by KJJesudos, you would easily mistake this for a Salil song. Raj, viju shah imitated Raja in Vinaashak. 100% imitation of orchestration and tunes........ Even Raja's trademark dappanguthu tabla is there for one complete song. I thought that song was exactly the one in Paattu Paadav. Jatin Lalit thinks that the best in Indian film music was Shankar Jaikishen and RDB. Sometimes, they say they like Salil. i don't thin they have copied IR yet.
- From: Rasigan (@ d32-fx01-lond-pdi.attcanada.net)
on: Tue Jun 8 01:11:01 EDT 1999
Raja Fan:
I'm anxious to know how you came to the conclusion that Baburaj is a "Bengali raised in Kerala".
- From: MS (@ )
on: Mon Jun 21 21:56:47 EDT 1999
For "Salil da"'s fans:
Check out my site for 19 lilting melodies of Salil chowdry (Hindi).
- From: Madhu (@ user-2ivf22e.dialup.mindspring.com)
on: Sun May 14 12:59:43 EDT 2000
Salil had some good numbers in Bau Mahendra's "Azhiyatha Koangal"
- From: Madhu (@ user-2ivf22e.dialup.mindspring.com)
on: Sun May 14 12:59:57 EDT 2000
Salil had some good numbers in Bau Mahendra's "Azhiyatha Kolangal"
- From: Madhu (@ user-2ivf22e.dialup.mindspring.com)
on: Sun May 14 13:00:18 EDT 2000
Salil had some good numbers in Balu Mahendra's "Azhiyatha Kolangal"
- From: unnikrishnan (@ 210.214.5.198)
on: Sat May 5 08:54:03 EDT 2001
can i know biographical detais about bulo c rani,khem chand prakash, gyan datt,gulam muhammed, anil biswas,syam sundar,madan mohan?
- From: unnikrishnan (@ 210.214.5.198)
on: Sat May 5 08:54:26 EDT 2001
can i know biographical detais about bulo c rani,khem chand prakash, gyan datt,gulam muhammed, anil biswas,syam sundar,madan mohan?
- From: Thomas Mathew (@ 61.1.238.125)
on: Sat Feb 21 13:49:45 EST 2004
dear krishnan,
go to www.salilda.com and search there
- From: P SUNIL (@ 202.88.234.25)
on: Wed Jun 9 23:36:03 EDT 2004
i think salilda is completely equipped all type of musical instruments and utilised the full capacity of singers .oh sagna in the film parakh rendered by latha mangeshkar, is melliferous one.
poovannam pola nenjam from azhiyatha kolangal,ullamalam kalladuthe in doorathil idimuzhakkam,yamune nee ozhuku in thula varsham are some examples.The last mentioned song is best ever made using amritha varshini raga.sithar is successively used in two interludes before anu pallavi and charanam.
- From: P SUNIL (@ 202.88.234.25)
on: Wed Jun 9 23:36:32 EDT 2004
i think salilda is completely equipped all type of musical instruments and utilised the full capacity of singers .oh sagna in the film parakh rendered by latha mangeshkar, is melliferous one.
poovannam pola nenjam from azhiyatha kolangal,ullamalam kalladuthe in doorathil idimuzhakkam,yamune nee ozhuku in thula varsham are some examples.The last mentioned song is best ever made using amritha varshini raga.sithar is successively used in two interludes before anu pallavi and charanam.
- From: RPG (@ 69.158.145.154)
on: Sat Oct 16 03:37:11 EDT 2004
Hi Salil Fans!
I am looking for a some songs possibly in a Balu Mahendra movie titled "Kokila" that originally came in Kannadam and later dubbed to Tamil also possibly named "Kokila"
It is a Kamala Hassan and Shoba starer
I think the music director is Salil Chowdhary
And one of the song goes like "kaala magal medai naadagam" and is sung by KJ Yesudas and a female voice.
I may be wrong here!! But your inputs are well come, and a link to hear this would be a bonus.
Many thanks to forum regulars
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