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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1: Iyarkai Varnanai

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Mon Jul 6 13:36:50 EDT 1998.
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In comparing Kannadhaasan and Vairamuthu objectively, why don't we all prove to ourselves that we don't need to take sides with a poet and only take sides with good poetry? I can come up with enough examples for both poets and I'm sure many others can too. Let's consider this a tiny saevai for TFM lyrics. I will gladly set forth the categories that we can judge the two poets by and we can all go to work. If anything I hope this exercise will make one diehard fan of Kannadhaasan appreciate VM and vice versa.
Here are the categories to judge both poets by giving examples of lyrics they wrote for TFM:
1)Iyarkai Varnanai
2)Kaadhal Paadalgal
3)Thaththuva Paadalgal
4)Vaarthai Prayoagam
5)Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal
6)Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal
7)Vingyaana/Naveena Karuthoottum Paadalgal
8)Ilakkiya Moolam Ulla Paadalgal
9)Kadhaikku Porundhiya Paadalgal(situational songs)
10)Kavidhai Milekarkal (Poetic Milestones that the poets will be remembered by!)

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• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Jul 7 17:52:29 EDT 1998
  
  Another great Iyarkai song by VM is in the movie, "Aaraadhanai"
  PAadal: Ilam Pani Thulir Vidum Naeram
  
  ilam pani thulir vidum naeram
  ilaygalil magaranthak koalam
  thanikkili ondru thavithapadi
  thunaikkili thedi thudithapadi
  sudach chuda nanaigindradhae. . .
  
  If some one knows the rest of the lyrics please post it here.
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Jul 7 18:20:17 EDT 1998
  
  In this song, VM writes of the inspiration nature evokes in him
  and the bond he shares with nature:
  kaalai naerap poonguyil kavidhai paadath thoondudhae
  kalaindhu poana maegangal kavanamaagak kaetkudhae
  kaetta paadal kaatrilae kaelviyaagap poagumoa
  engae un raagam suvaram aa aa aa
  . . .
  maedai poadum pournami
  aadip paadum oar nadhi
  vella oliyinil maegalai
  mella mayangudhu en nilai
  . . .
  pattu viriththadhu pulveli
  pattuth theriththadhu vinnoli
  puthiya maegam kavidhai paadum
  bhoopaalam paadaamal endhan kaalai
  thoanrum ennaalum
  
  Of all the things one would long for, VM longs for
  impossible ways to embrace nature in this classic from "Roja"
  vennilavu thottu muththamida aasai
  ennaiyindha bhoomi sutrivara aasai
  . . .
  malligaip poovaai maarivida aasai
  thenralaik kandu maalayida aasai
  maegangalaiyellaam thottuvida aasai
  . . .
  saettru vayalaadi naatru nada aasai
  meen pidiththu meendum aatril vida aasai
  vaanavillaik konjam uduththikkolla aasai
  paniththulikkul naanum paduththukkolla aasai
  
  Here, VM shows a lover's loss through the way
  nature reminds him of a lover's memory that the
  loss is heightened by nature's incapability
  to overshadow his loss; on another level the song
  also shows that the lover has become his nature
  thenral ennaith theendinaal saelai theendum njaabagam
  chinnap pookkal paarkkaiyil dhaegam paarththa njaabagam
  velli oadai paesinaal sonna vaarththai njaabagam
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Jul 7 18:42:10 EDT 1998
  
  When ordinary eyes see the surface beauty of nature, Vairamuthu, deciphers nature with his x-ray vision and wonders aloud about the little secrets of nature that humans are not privy to. In this song from "May Maadham" he expresses such wonder:
  
  mannum vinnum urasugaiyil
  enna baashai paesidumoa
  alaiyum kadalum urasugaiyil
  paesum baashai paesidumoa
  kaatrum malayum urasugaiyil
  enna baashai paesidumoa
  paarvai rendum paesikkondaal
  baashai oomai aayvidumoa
  
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-ta024.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jul 7 19:52:26 EDT 1998
  
  Adding some more to kaNNadhAsan's iyaRkai varNanai:
  
  iyaRkai annai isai amaippALarAga, thamizhannai pAdalAsiriyai AnAl eppadi irukkum? namakku sila TFM uvamaigaL manadhukku varalAm, avai manadhOdE irukkattum :-) kELvikku vaLarpiRai padaththil kaviyarasarin badhil.............
  thalai thazhuvum thendRalilE swarangaL uNdAchchu
  ingE thAvi varum aruviyilE rAgam uNdAchchu
  sottu sottAi neer vizhundhu thALam vandhAchchu
  adhaik koduththu vaiththAr thamizhilE--geedham uNdAchchu
  
  bhoomikkum iyaRkaikkum uLLa uRavaik kAdhalAga, kAmamAga, thAimaiyAga, ilaikkiyamAga, innisaiyAga, ivai anaiththum kalandhu tharum magizhchchiyAga uruvagappaduththugiRAr kaviyarasar. padam: teacherammA.
  malar thoovi manjam vaiththu maNam veesum nAdu
  mazhai vandhu kAdhal seidhu uRavAdum kAdu
  
  sangam kaNda pANdiya nAttu mangaiyin koondhal pOlE
  sAral thoovi sAgasam seyyum mEgam uNdu mElE
  
  pachchaip pullin mEl vandhu pani ennum pAvai
  ichchai koNda thAi pOla muththam sindhinALE
  
  sala salakkum aruviyilE sangeedham sangeedham
  thAi viriththa madiyinilE thazhuvich chellum sandhOsham
  
  iyaRkai azhagaik kuzhandhaikku uvamaiyAkkum oru thAlAttup pAdal. thamizhth thirai ulagil aNNan-thangai uRavukku indRuvarai aLavukOlAga viLangum uNarchchi mayamAna oru pAdal. thamizhch chol nayamum, poruL nayamum, uNarchchi mayamum, iyaRkai ezhilum niRaindhu pozhiyum oru pAdal. kaviyarasarin kaviththuvaththukku eduththukkAttAna oru pAdal. ovvoru variyilum oru muzhuk kavidhai oLindhirukka, kavignar pAdhi solla nAmE meedhiyai uNarum "niRaivAna" oru kavidhai mAlai. padam: pAsamalar.
  malarndhu malarAdha pAdhi malar pOla (idhuvE thanik kavidhai)
  vaLarum vizhi vaNNamE
  vandhu vidindhum vidiyAdha kAlaip pozhudhAga (idhuvum thanik kavidhai)
  viLaindha kalai annamE
  nadhiyil viLayAdik kodiyil thalai seevi (idhu oru perum kavidhai)
  nadandha ilam thendRalE
  vaLar podhigai malai thOndRi (idhu thamizhannaikku vaNakkam)
  madhurai nagar kaNdu
  polindha thamizh mandRamE
  
  Moving on to pudhumaikkavignar vairamuththu..........
  
  ".....mazhai oru adhisayam. adhil nanaivadhu oru anbhavam. vAnam kaviyarangam nadaththa bhoomi jalatharangam nadaththugiRadhu"---vairamuththu. padam: punnagai mannan
  vAn mEgam poo poovAith thoovum
  ..
  vAnilE vAnilE neerin thOraNangaLO
  ...
  sAlai engum ingE sangeedha mEdai AnadhO
  vAdai pAdudhO
  thooRal pOdudhO thOgai AdudhO
  
  bhoomi engum kaviyarangam
  sAral pAdum jalatharangam
  
  "......iyaRkaiyai ArAdhikka mudiyAdha samoogam innum vAzhkkaikku pakkaththil varavE illai endRu arththam. idhu iyaRkaiyai vaNangath therindhavargaLin vAzhththuppA"--vairamuththu. padam: kavidhai pAda nEramillai
  iyaRkaikku mElE thaththuvangaL illai
  inbam ingu koLLai enna ingu illai?
  
  andhi sooriyan manjaL poosudhE--ada
  manidhanukku idhil rusi illaiyE
  azhagil karaiyum manam illaiyE
  bhoomiyum thendRalum OivadhillaiyE
  iyaRkai ellAm sirikkiRadhE
  
  thuLLich chellum Odai vidukadhai pOdum
  mella varum thendRal vidai sollip pOgum
  pArkkum yAvumE paLLik koodamA-oru
  paniththuLiyil indha jegam adangum
  adadA ulagam azhagin surangam
  
  ".......ovvoru peNNum oru kavignarthAn. pookkaLil vasiththu, ponnOdaigaLai rasiththu, vAnai maNNai rasiththa andha nAtkaL, kAsu tholaindha piRagum oru peN mundhAnaiyil pOttu vaiththirukkum mudichchugaL"--vairamuththu. padam: Ayiram pookkaL malarattum
  Odai pAdum rAgam enna
  vAdaik kAtRE sonnAl enna?
  vAnam thEdip pOgum mEgam
  vAsal thEdi vandhAl enna?
  .....
  mEgam vandhu pOrththuvadhenna
  pookkaLukkellAm pon AdaiyA?
  kAlai nEram veyyil ERum
  OdaigaL ellAm ponnOdaiyA?
  
  nAn oorvalam pOga oru thER illai mAnE
  poon thendRalaiththAnE nAn thErndheduththEnE
  
  Odai neeRe ennOdu thALam pOdu
  kuyilE peNNOdu pAdu
  
  "...ovvoru poovum indha bhoomiyin nagal. ovvoru poovum sandhOshaththin thida vadivam. oru poovai satRu nEram utRup pArththAl en manidhap piRappu maRandhu vidugiRadhu." endRu sollum vairamuththu minsArak kanavil ippadip pAduvadhil viyappillai:
  poo pookkum Osai adhaik kEtkaththAn Asai
  pul viriyum Osai adhaik kEtkaththAn Asai
  
  kAtROdu thennai asaigindRa Osai
  sirungAra sangeedham
  
  "...aduththa kragangaLin AarAichchiyil iRangi vittOmE, indha bhoomiyil uLLa anaiththaiyum pArththAgi vittadhA?" endRu kEtkum vairamuththu iyaRkaiyOdu iNaiyum kanavup pAdal idhu. "pattiyal" pOtta pAdal endRu palar VM-aik kiNdal seidhAlum, adil uLLa eNNangaL iyaRkaiyai aNu aNuvAga rasikkum nuNNiya uNarvugaL uLLavargaLAl mattumE ezhudhak koodiyadhu enbadhu en karuththu. padam: rOjA.
  veNNilavu thottu muththamida Asai
  enna indha bhoomi sutRi vara Asai
  
  malligaip poovAi mARi vida Asai
  thendRalaik kaNdu mAlaiyida Asai
  mEgangaLai ellAm thottu vida Asai
  sOgangaLai ellAm vittu vida Asai
  kArkuzhalil ulagaik katti vida Asai
  
  sEtru vayalAdum nAtRu nada Asai
  meen pidiththu meeNdum AtRil vida Asai
  vAnavillaik konjam uduththik koLLa Asai
  
  ".....iyaRkai oru thaththuvam! poo oru thaththuvam!" endRu sollum vairamuththu minsArak kanavil kANum iyaRkaik kanavu:
  mazhaithuLi maNNil vandhu
  sindha sindha ezhugiRadhE oru vAsam
  adhu vAnavillil koNdu vandhu
  sErththu vidugiRadhE sila nEram
  
  thandhAnE thandhAnE
  kAtRum mazhaiyum thandhAnE
  ellOrum vAzhaththAnE
  ..
  thandhAnE thandhAnE
  kaiyil bhoomi thandhAnE
  vaLamOdu vAzhaththAnE
  
  "manidhargaL vAraththil oru nALEnum oorukku veLiyE pOi suvAsiththu vara vENdum. paRavai pArththu, pasumai pArththu, vAikkAl pArththu vara vENdum....thiRandha veLigaLai nOkki avargaLaith thiRandhu vida vENdum" endRu "vidudhalai" pEsum vairamuththu "Jeans" padaththil siRagu virikkak katRuk kodukkiRAr:
  paRavaiyin siRagum vAdagaikkuk kidaiththAl
  udalinil poruthip paRandhu vidu
  paRavaigaL edhaRkum passport illai
  kaNdangaLaith thANdip paRandhu vidu
  
  VM-in "pon mAlaip pozhudhu", "iLaya nilA", "adhisayamE" pAdalgaLaip patRi meeNdum nAn solla vEndiyadhillai.
  
  Summary Comments/Opinions: Switching back to English now, thamizhth thAi mannikkavum! I find kaNNadhAsan's works to be everything everyone expects and takes for granted from kaNNadhAsan--pooraNa kaviththuvam, thamizh nayam, poruL nayam, kaRpanai vaLam, ilakkiya sugam, iyaRkaiyin maNam.
  
  However, vairamuththu's verses on nature touch a chord in me unfailingly. "How did this guy even know what I feel like?" has been my first thought when I first listened to some of his songs I've listed above. He goes beyond just iyaRkai varNanai and makes communing with nature personal and real which is possible only by someone who has bonded with nature in such a personal way. Such finer feelings are very very rarely experienced or expressed for fear of sounding "wimpy", but very much needed in today's materialistic world with its hectic lifestyles, IMO.
  
  Isn't making the listener identify with his(her) feelings a dimension of good poeticism too? If so, VM is very successful in this dimension as far as I'm concerned with reference to nature. And, he has a social message about nature appreciation needed very much for the remainder of this century and the next. So, I'm glad VM followed kaNNadhAsan in TFM as far as the subtopic Nature is concerned.
  
  "sillu sillAgik kidakkum vAzhkkaiyai sEgarikkavE nEramillaiyE..idhil pookkaLOdu uRaiyAdalA..? pOdA paiththiyakkArA endRu parikasikkAdheergaL. iruL pOna piRaguthAn udhippadhAi uththEsam endRu sooriyan summAiyirundhAl pagalukku Edhu mugavari?"--VM.
  
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Jul 7 20:54:21 EDT 1998
  
  Prakash:
  
  sorry-ppa... paadalai umakku mun ingu ezhudhiyadhaRkku. :-))
  
  Udhaya, Pagalavan, Kanchana:
  
  Thanks for your postings. My appreciation of VM's
  lyrics is increasing as I know more and more details.
  
  
  Like the kaattukkuLLE thiruvizhaa song that I mentioned
  earlier, Kannadhasan has written another one; padam: Thaayai
  Kaaththa Thanaiyan. oru kaatain arugil vasikkum oru peN kaattin
  iyaRkaiyai varNikkiRaaL...
  
  kaattu raaNik kOttaiyilE kadhavugaLillai
  ingu kaaval kaakka kadavuLaiyandri oruvarumillai
  kaattik kaatti maRaiththuk koLLum suyanalamillai
  idhilE kalandhuvittaal kaala nEram therivadhumillai
  
  mEgam endra thandhai kaNNil neer vazhindhadhu
  ingu vidhamvidhamaai kuzhandhaigaL pOla sedi vaLarndhadhu
  bhoomi endra thaay madiyil thavazhndhu vandhadhu
  nOyil pulambugindra manidharkkum marundhu thandhadhu
  
  
  

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